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  • #1652
    kitten_k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭kitten_k


    Nothing confirmed yet but more than likely toward the later half of the month


  • #1653
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    kitten_k wrote: »
    Nothing confirmed yet but more than likely toward the later half of the month

    Cool I'll prob hurl up a sign up thread when this game concludes. Will be limiting sign-ups to 17 so we don't over-run into yours or effect it

    Ye can have COP though I'll use the other place :) - assuming sKeith is ok with that!

    QB is gonna be my co-mod for this one btw :D


  • #1654
    kitten_k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭kitten_k


    Cool I'll confirm dates with my co-mods once this game is over.

    I'd watch out for the QB one - she looks a bit dodgy :p:p


  • #1655
    LadySkunk
    Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭LadySkunk


    OMG Necro sign me up already, would love another slow burner. Can’t manage the faster ones with work :)


  • #1656
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    TheSkunk wrote:
    OMG Necro sign me up already, would love another slow burner. Can’t manage the faster ones with work

    :o It may have a correlation between me playing and thread speed/high post counts.

    Soz! I'll pop up the thread when the current game concludes.


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  • #1657
    sKeith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,404 ✭✭✭✭sKeith


    Necro wrote: »
    Cool I'll prob hurl up a sign up thread when this game concludes. Will be limiting sign-ups to 17 so we don't over-run into yours or effect it

    Ye can have COP though I'll use the other place :) - assuming sKeith is ok with that!

    QB is gonna be my co-mod for this one btw :D


    work away.


  • #1658
    Clarabel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Clarabel


    TheSkunk wrote: »
    OMG Necro sign me up already, would love another slow burner. Can’t manage the faster ones with work :)

    Oh I'll have in on that too please. I'm away the next few days will ya hold me a spot


  • #1659
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Clarabel wrote: »
    Oh I'll have in on that too please. I'm away the next few days will ya hold me a spot

    I'll do better than that I'll consider you and TheSkunk already signed up :)

    15 spots still open.


  • #1660
    Ectoplasm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭Ectoplasm


    Necro wrote: »
    I'll do better than that I'll consider you and TheSkunk already signed up :)

    15 spots still open.

    Given I'm basically on summer holidays now I'm tempted to bagsy myself a spot too!



    Sane person in September: What did you do for summer Ecto?"

    Me: Played werewolf

    Them:

    *tumbleweed*


  • #1661
    LadySkunk
    Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭LadySkunk


    Necro wrote: »
    I'll do better than that I'll consider you and TheSkunk already signed up :)

    15 spots still open.

    Yessssss thanks Necro! :D


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  • #1662
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    What’s the story with the slow burner games? The quicker games are fun but intense and I can’t stay away from them. Would the same problem not exist in a longer game and the only difference is really that’s its much longer?


  • #1663
    kitten_k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭kitten_k


    Drumpot wrote: »
    What’s the story with the slow burner games? The quicker games are fun but intense and I can’t stay away from them. Would the same problem not exist in a longer game and the only difference is really that’s its much longer?

    The last one so burner felt like a really long normal game but the post count limit has been halved for this one so should be much better


  • #1664
    quickbeam
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    Drumpot wrote: »
    What’s the story with the slow burner games? The quicker games are fun but intense and I can’t stay away from them. Would the same problem not exist in a longer game and the only difference is really that’s its much longer?


    Yeah. With a post limit of 50 per game-day (35 calendar hours), there won't be the same intensity. Or shouldn't be. It's only the second one we've done, and we're still tweaking it. The last one had 100 posts limit which was possibly too much as even the most talkative of us failed to reach that high. There were also 4 more players than the upcoming one, and it went to the wire, so did take a long time.


    However in theory it is meant to be less intense, frantic, time-consuming to play.


  • #1665
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Drumpot wrote: »
    What’s the story with the slow burner games? The quicker games are fun but intense and I can’t stay away from them. Would the same problem not exist in a longer game and the only difference is really that’s its much longer?

    Basically the idea behind the slow burners is that you have much more time to read and catch up on the thread.

    Also you won't have post-aholics just monopolising the proceedings (Exhibit A, Necro) all day.

    In theory it's meant to be less intense until 2 hours prior to the lynch when people need to discuss things, and then ye can post away until the lynch results are announced.

    That's the theory anyways. So far they've been less role heavy as well.

    So far...:D


  • #1666
    quickbeam
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    Okay, an analysis based on the last game, Hunger Games. Taking the start as 26th May at 14:27 when Sully gave the go, and the end of each player's time being the time the notice of their death was posted, only 7 out of 24 players posted more than 50 posts per day (obviously that's calendar days, and is a bit skewed with the speed days Thursday and Friday). That's without trying. So 50 posts per day is reasonable but should cut out the more loquacious of players.

    Player|Final Post Count|Date ended|Days Lasted|Posts per Day
    Henry WW|573|30-May 21:04|4.3|134
    Gabriel WW|346|29-May 10:03|2.8|122.8
    Phil WW|421|30-May 14:35|4|105.1
    Conor WW|398|31-May 18:37|5.2|76.9
    Eva WW|153|28-May 21:03|2.3|67.3
    Clodagh WW|203|29-May 21:06|3.3|61.9
    Frank WW|229|30-May 10:04|3.8|60
    ||||
    Liam WW|179|30-May 17:57|4.1|43.2
    Gertrude WW|167|30-May 12:54|3.9|42.4
    Brendan WW|161|31-May 16:02|5.1|31.8
    Steve WW|87|29-May 10:03|2.8|30.9
    Desmond WW|38|27-May 20:54|1.3|30
    Doris WW|144|31-May 18:37|5.2|27.8
    Angus WW|118|30-May 21:04|4.3|27.6
    Jake WW|134|31-May 18:37|5.2|25.9
    Wendy WW|100|30-May 16:00|4.1|24.6
    Oisin WW|29|27-May 21:06|1.3|22.7
    Fiona WW|28|28-May 10:02|1.8|15.4
    Barbara WW|46|30-May 12:54|3.9|11.7
    Tegan WW|21|28-May 10:02|1.8|11.6
    Riona WW|49|31-May 13:33|5|9.9
    Holly WW|17|28-May 10:02|1.8|9.4
    Abigail WW|6|27-May 10:01|0.8|7.4
    Mary WW|2|27-May 10:01|0.8|2.5


    [Necro, I'm disappointed :(]


  • #1667
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    quickbeam wrote: »

    [Necro, I'm disappointed :(]

    :pac: I'm in second place after dying on Wednesday morning :P

    Do you want me to gif bomb the place or something:D


  • #1668
    quickbeam
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    It's pro-rata.


  • #1669
    Ectoplasm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭Ectoplasm


    Necro wrote: »
    :pac: I'm in second place after dying on Wednesday morning :P

    Do you want me to gif bomb the place or something:D

    Isn't that your job?

    I'm quite surprised at mine. I was trying to lay low for the first couple of days.


  • #1670
    tusk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,882 ✭✭✭tusk


    Proof Conor was lying about poor poisoned Phil :P


  • #1671
    Rikand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,421 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Rikand wrote: »
    In

    Will be phone posting the whole way through averaging about 20 posts a day

    Just above 20 a day. Right on target :D


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  • #1672
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Mod

    Everyone please note the update to the FG charter.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101303865#post101303865

    If you have any questions, please PM a mod or use the relevant discussion thread.


  • #1673
    Kolido
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,421 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    Just a couple of points I would like to put forward from a mod pov following the last game.

    We had quite a serious breach of the rules in the last game, although technically there was no breach as its not in the rules but should be obvious. A player, known they were dead, posted vital info in the shared br before we sorted permissions. It didnt have any bearing on the game overall as far as I can tell. Also we noticed players posted in the brs before the game went live on boards. Maybe we need to explicitally state this in the rules, no posting in the br untill game goes live or after you are announced dead. Probably not an issue for most games unless you are using a shared br setup like we did on hg.

    Also noticed, as with most games, players accidently posting in their own accs in an anon. As I suggested to my co mods, maybe we should auto revoke ww forum permissions for ever player who signs up for an anon. Extra work for the forum mods so its something they would need to decide on. Im not sure how much of an affect on the game posting in your own acc has but I think its better it doesnt happen.

    Finally, with all the interest currently in modding and playing, could we have a case for running bi monthly themed games. Might dilute the rosters but could give players a chance to get their favourite themes out there. Of course we have the slow burners running which are an excellent addition. Thoughts?


  • #1674
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Kolido wrote:
    We had quite a serious breach of the rules in the last game, although technically there was no breach as its not in the rules but should be obvious. A player, known they were dead, posted vital info in the shared br before we sorted permissions. It didnt have any bearing on the game overall as far as I can tell. Also we noticed players posted in the brs before the game went live on boards. Maybe we need to explicitally state this in the rules, no posting in the br untill game goes live or after you are announced dead. Probably not an issue for most games unless you are using a shared br setup like we did on hg.

    Should be a given but yeah maybe having it in the rules is a good idea. The dead people can't talk rule should really cover it imo.
    Kolido wrote:
    Also noticed, as with most games, players accidently posting in their own accs in an anon. As I suggested to my co mods, maybe we should auto revoke ww forum permissions for ever player who signs up for an anon. Extra work for the forum mods so its something they would need to decide on. Im not sure how much of an affect on the game posting in your own acc has but I think its better it doesnt happen.

    I was thinking about this: I think a slip should mean you quote the post you slipped with and then, via forum mods, you have your normal account permissions removed. You then have to re-request access ahead of the next non-anon game. Exception to this is forum mods who unfortunately can't have their access removed.
    Kolido wrote:
    Finally, with all the interest currently in modding and playing, could we have a case for running bi monthly themed games. Might dilute the rosters but could give players a chance to get their favourite themes out there. Of course we have the slow burners running which are an excellent addition. Thoughts?

    No hard or fast rule saying there can't be. We do need coordination between adjacent mods teams, and probably an earlier declaration of dates (with exception given to slow burn games).


  • #1675
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    That was me who posted after I was dead and I feel ****ty for doing it. I am so so sorry mod team. I know how much work you put into organising and I’m disgusted with myself for possibly messing up your game.

    I dunno what else I can say but sorry :(


  • #1676
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Kolido wrote:
    We had quite a serious breach of the rules in the last game, although technically there was no breach as its not in the rules but should be obvious. A player, known they were dead, posted vital info in the shared br before we sorted permissions. It didnt have any bearing on the game overall as far as I can tell. Also we noticed players posted in the brs before the game went live on boards. Maybe we need to explicitally state this in the rules, no posting in the br untill game goes live or after you are announced dead. Probably not an issue for most games unless you are using a shared br setup like we did on hg.

    Dont know the ins and outs of the above but yeah the breach is obviously a no no.

    On the pregame posting, in most cases it has been always that way where discretion was applied re: backroom posting. It depends on the set up, but it wouldn't massively concern me.

    Way to counter it would be to lock the threads on COP until you're ready to go.

    Far more worrying to me is the amount of people who play and dont read the OP in full.

    The PM discussion in the last game in particular pissed me off a lot, that is a hard and fast rule since the inception of the game here and they were openly discussed in the game thread on multiple occasions. We've had games broken over less so I'd ask again that players have a think about what they want to say publically and if it's even remotely near a line in the game rules PM the game mods and ask them first. It's only fair after they put in time and effort into the setup.


  • #1677
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Necro wrote:
    The PM discussion in the last game in particular pissed me off a lot, that is a hard and fast rule since the inception of the game here and they were openly discussed in the game thread on multiple occasions. We've had games broken over less so I'd ask again that players have a think about what they want to say publically and if it's even remotely near a line in the game rules PM the game mods and ask them first. It's only fair after they put in time and effort into the setup.

    That's not true. Discussion of pms hasn't been a rule in every game ever. And it's not really a hard and fast rule if people have to subjectively decide whether they should ask a mod or not.

    I agree using the info in a pm shouldn't be the way to go, but that's why we started posting the nrv pms in the OP: to remove the point of discussing pms. That seems to have been discontinued lately.

    What happened in this game was someone said they didn't read the pm. They didn't quote it and didn't give any info from it. Just said they didn't read it. With all due respect, I don't believe that's actually clear cut tbh.


  • #1678
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Baggly wrote: »
    That's not true. Discussion of pms hasn't been a rule in every game ever. And it's not really a hard and fast rule if people have to subjectively decide whether they should ask a mod or not.

    I agree using the info in a pm shouldn't be the way to go, but that's why we started posting the nrv pms in the OP: to remove the point of discussing pms. That seems to have been discontinued lately.

    What happened in this game was someone said they didn't read the pm. They didn't quote it and didn't give any info from it. Just said they didn't read it. With all due respect, I don't believe that's actually clear cut tbh.

    Completely incorrect -

    From Game 1:
    4) No posting of any PM's from the game mod or referring to the content of them.

    And from this game:
    5. All players will receive PMs, please no copying and pasting of PMs that we send you, nor will you be allowed copy and paste anything from any backroom you may or may not have. If you want to discuss the content of a PM with the village, please discuss it with the Mods first before discussing any PMs on thread.

    The player in question (and then multiple others) referred to content contained within the PMs repeatedly, a blatant breach of the rule.

    It's completely clear cut imo


  • #1679
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Necro wrote:
    Completely incorrect -


    I didn't say it didn't feature in game 1. I said it hasn't been in every game.

    If its a clear breach then its ups to game mods to adjudicate. I disagree it was a clear breach and disagree these things can be clear cut, so we can agree to disagree.


  • #1680
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Baggly wrote: »
    I didn't say it didn't feature in game 1. I said it hasn't been in every game.

    If its a clear breach then its ups to game mods to adjudicate. I disagree it was a clear breach and disagree these things can be clear cut, so we can agree to disagree.

    Any PM discussion on the game thread should only be with prior game mod approval. That was even ironclad in the rules for this game.

    When I was stabbed, I specifically asked permission before I shared that information on the thread, as it came from a PM.

    Once the player revealed they had not read their PM, multiple players referred (and were able to identify themselves (albeit incorrectly) to each other) to the content contained within.

    I agree that the final decision on sanction within the game lies with the game mods, but I can't see how it can be argued it wasn't a breach.

    It even required a game mod to post on thread to stop the discussion.


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  • #1681
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    What’s the story with copying posts from COP ? I don’t see anything specific in rules ( edit is BR Cop?)that prevents people from doing it yet some thought they had to retype posts themselves to make sure it wasn’t agaisnt rules.

    Also, why does it look like 29 people are viewing in the ww forum? There’s no games on but it looks full of people!


  • #1682
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Necro wrote:
    Once the player revealed they had not read their PM, multiple players referred (and were able to identify themselves (albeit incorrectly) to each other) to the content contained within.


    The references were so unspecific how do you police it. I don't see why the emphasise being put on thr players to check is the solution instead of posting the pm (with BR login info redacted).


  • #1683
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Necro wrote:
    I agree that the final decision on sanction within the game lies with the game mods, but I can't see how it can be argued it wasn't a breach.


    I can't do it now but I'll explain my position at some stage. Family do won't lend itself to citing examples and finding posts.


  • #1684
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Baggly wrote: »
    The references were so unspecific how do you police it. I don't see why the emphasise being put on thr players to check is the solution instead of posting the pm (with BR login info redacted).

    Well mainly because it's in the rules tbh. Otherwise there's no point in putting it there.

    Don't disagree about posting the NRV PM, but that's up to the game mods I guess.


  • #1685
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Necro wrote:
    Well mainly because it's in the rules tbh. Otherwise there's no point in putting it there.


    But my point is it's at least borderline and its entirely possible for someone to slip in this regard. It's too easy to mess it up or subjectively think you are on the right side of the rules.


  • #1686
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Necro wrote:
    Well mainly because it's in the rules tbh. Otherwise there's no point in putting it there.


    We all break rules unintentionally at one stage or another, yourself and myself included. It's important the rules are realistic and enforceable, imo.


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  • #1687
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Baggly wrote: »
    But my point is it's at least borderline and its entirely possible for someone to slip in this regard. It's too easy to mess it up or subjectively think you are on the right side of the rules.

    Which is why I go back to my original point. If you think that something is off, contact the game mods before posting on thread. Least they deserve imo given the time and effort they put into games.


  • #1688
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Baggly wrote: »
    We all break rules unintentionally at one stage or another, yourself and myself included. It's important the rules are realistic and enforceable, imo.

    It's perfectly realistic to expect people to read the rules, which were ironclad in reference to PM discussion in this game.


  • #1689
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Drumpot wrote: »
    What’s the story with copying posts from COP ? I don’t see anything specific in rules ( edit is BR Cop?)that prevents people from doing it yet some thought they had to retype posts themselves to make sure it wasn’t agaisnt rules.

    Also, why does it look like 29 people are viewing in the ww forum? There’s no games on but it looks full of people!

    On backroom stuff - again this is really game mod specific (imo, PM discussion should be just barred, period without game mod approval rather than any ambiguity).

    I'd treat info I get in a backroom differently, eg if I was the seer I'd have to be able to share that info at some point.
    Paraphrasing is ok, but direct quoting including timestamps shouldn't happen imo.

    It would depend on the set-up though, in a game like one just played some of the stuff in the backrooms (particularly the shared district ones) was game related so it's a grey area. Again though, I'd tend to lean on the side of caution and just PM a game mod to check what I'd planned was ok.

    No idea why it looks like there's a lot of people viewing WW at the moment, it seems to happen intermittently.


  • #1690
    tusk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,882 ✭✭✭tusk


    Necro wrote: »

    No idea why it looks like there's a lot of people viewing WW at the moment, it seems to happen intermittently.

    I'm always watching!


  • #1691
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Necro wrote:
    Which is why I go back to my original point. If you think that something is off, contact the game mods before posting on thread. Least they deserve imo given the time and effort they put into games.

    That wasn't the point I was making. The rules state contact the mods if in doubt, if there is no doubt for the player, even if they are wrong, they havent disobeyed the rules. That's why I'm saying it's not clear cut. It phrased subjectively.

    Necro wrote:
    It's perfectly realistic to expect people to read the rules, which were ironclad in reference to PM discussion in this game.

    People can read the rules and slip. That's my point.


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  • #1692
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Baggly wrote: »
    That wasn't the point I was making. The rules state contact the mods if in doubt, if there is no doubt for the player, even if they are wrong, they havent disobeyed the rules. That's why I'm saying it's not clear cut. It phrased subjectively.

    What about the following rule (considering this is the game in question)
    5. All players will receive PMs, please no copying and pasting of PMs that we send you, nor will you be allowed copy and paste anything from any backroom you may or may not have. If you want to discuss the content of a PM with the village, please discuss it with the Mods first before discussing any PMs on thread.

    Is subjective in terms of discussing PMs? It's absolutely ironclad in this circumstance due to the inclusion of the final line.

    If the mods were not PMed in respect of the PM discussion, then it's a clear rule breach.


  • #1693
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    So where does 'I didn't read my pm properly' fall in that?


  • #1694
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Baggly wrote:
    So where does 'I didn't read my pm properly' fall in that?

    As a rule breach as they didn't read the game rules in the OP regarding PM discussion.


  • #1695
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    OK so. Agree to disagree.


  • #1696
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Baggly wrote:
    OK so. Agree to disagree.

    I mean ignorance of the law (or rules) is never a defence, imagine if someone didn't read the charter and decided to post in breach of it, they wouldn't get off on that defence as it's their job to inform themselves of the rules.

    I treat game rules in the exact same way as I would a charter on boards.


  • #1697
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Necro wrote:
    I mean ignorance of the law (or rules) is never a defence, imagine if someone didn't read the charter and decided to post in breach of it, they wouldn't get off on that defence as it's their job to inform themselves of the rules.


    I never said it was. I'm saying I have a different interpretation to you. I'm also saying that rule is needless if a pm is posted in the OP, and that it doesn't cover all eventualities imo. I also think it's hard to enforce. If there is a slip the cats out of the bag and you can't get it back in there. It would also be very harsh to punish such a breach if its minor or unintentional.

    Its a different kettle of fish to charter breaches, as there is no time or game pressure if someone breaks forum rules, and as well as that, there are structures in place for the forum that aren't there for game issues.

    You can think it's black and white, that's the impression I'm getting; I just don't agree.


  • #1698
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Baggly wrote:
    I never said it was. I'm saying I have a different interpretation to you. I'm also saying that rule is needless if a pm is posted in the OP, and that it doesn't cover all eventualities imo. I also think it's hard to enforce. If there is a slip the cats out of the bag and you can't get it back in there. It would also be very harsh to punish such a breach if its minor or unintentional.

    I'm of the opinion that role PMs should never be discussed on the game thread. Ever. It's too open to this sort of discussion in whether Bob WW meant to break the rules or not.

    Just don't do it, and theres not an issue.

    Minor or unintentional aside, it just shouldn't be done without prior game mod approval.

    That's me leaning on my experience as both a game mod and a player where a minor issue (which can and has in the past) steamrolls into a game breaking situation.


  • #1699
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Game breaks that have happened before should be mitigated by mods, not players, where possible. If something new comes up and breaks a game that's unfortunate (esp if game can't be saved) but we will learn from it at least.

    Remove the sting from someone talking about pms, because if you don't a slip can still break the game. I think that's the way to address it rather than a rule you then have to enforce for small, big or unintentional issues.


  • #1700
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Baggly wrote: »
    Game breaks that have happened before should be mitigated by mods, not players, where possible. If something new comes up and breaks a game that's unfortunate (esp if game can't be saved) but we will learn from it at least.

    Remove the sting from someone talking about pms, because if you don't a slip can still break the game. I think that's the way to address it rather than a rule you then have to enforce for small, big or unintentional issues.

    Game mods should ensure there is nothing in the PMs that could give any indication of alignment, that I agree.

    But, excusing players for discussing role PMs on the game thread is crazy, why do people need to do it? What possible good can come from it, you yourself are saying that a slip can still happen.

    PM discussion should be treated the same as the no edit rule, both are equally important in retaining game integrity.


  • #1701
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Necro wrote:
    But, excusing players for discussing role PMs on the game thread is crazy, why do people need to do it? What possible good can come from it, you yourself are saying that a slip can still happen.


    Thats not what i have been saying at all and I think I've laid out my position fairly well at this stage. I'm sorry I'd love to keep discussing this but I'm gonna be afk for a while. Im OK with us not agreeing on this though. As I have said, agree to disagree.


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