Dodgy characters of the Crypto boom

stockshares · 16-04-2019 3:02pm #1

Given that the Bitcoin project is the flag bearer for Cryptocurrencies/Blockchain how can it gain acceptance when the Promoters of it are or have been people of dubious character at best and outright criminals at worst.

The Inventor of it is a phantom.

The project has had numerous forks/spin offs led by nutjobs.

How many more projects have people at the helm who are criminals in all but name and are best avoided?

JohnnyFlash · 16-04-2019 3:34pm

Justin Sun from Tron.

Craig Wright from Bitcoin Satoshi Vision.

The group behind Tether and Bitfinex.

Be careful out there, kids. Sharks in the water.

Kickstart1.3 · 16-04-2019 4:15pm

You can add Rodger Ver to that list also. CEO of Bitcoin.com, serious nut job, spent time in prison for Fraud. Now spends all his time shilling Bitcoin Cash, which he claimed was the original Bitcoin only to go ahead and have the code changed to suit private companies that run code like Wormhole

stockshares · 16-04-2019 4:40pm

How many of the original Bitcoin team are left. How sound can they be considering that at one time they thought the Bch and Bsv guys were sound.

grindle · 16-04-2019 8:15pm

stockshares wrote: »

The Inventor of it is a phantom.

This is undoubtedly a good thing - why would he want to be known? If Satoshi was going to commit one act of kindness, it would be nice if they'd burn their coins.

stockshares wrote: »

How many more projects have people at the helm who are criminals in all but name and are best avoided?

Cursory guesstimate - almost all of them?

stockshares wrote: »

How many of the original Bitcoin team are left. How sound can they be considering that at one time they thought the Bch and Bsv guys were sound.

The Bitcoin team wasn't really a team until Blockstream seized the reigns, it was an amorphous glob of engineers. Now it's an amorphous glob with the Core devs (who imo have a huge conflict of interest re:Blockstream) deciding what gets into the protocol. I don't think any of them ever liked the BCH or BSV crowd. In fact, they were fairly antagonistic towards them for 2-3 years - the blocksize debate resulted in BCH being born. "Shoo, Blockstream can't profit efficiently with big blocks!"
Gavin Andresen got locked out of the BTC Core github by the remaining Core devs (all employed by or had founded Blockstream) when he chose to believe Craig Wright's spiel about being Satoshi. Dumb decision from both sides.
Hal Finney is dead due to ALS.
Jeff Garzik is hopelessly addicted to creating worthless shítcoins and works for BitPay
Martiin Malmi is developing some kind of P2P social network.
Lazloh is most famous for buying two pizzas.

Kickstart1.3 wrote: »

You can add Rodger Ver to that list also. CEO of Bitcoin.com, serious nut job, spent time in prison for Fraud. Now spends all his time shilling Bitcoin Cash, which he claimed was the original Bitcoin only to go ahead and have the code changed to suit private companies that run code like Wormhole

He was imprisoned for selling fireworks - you talk like an /r/bitcoin shill. Look at the unedited version of their sub for once, get a sense of the censorship of honest debate going back years.
In what way is enabling Wormhole (smart contracts on top of Bitcoin for anybody who doesn't know), ergo making the project more useful/have a utility any worse than Blockstream crippling Bitcoin for their own ends, destroying it's utility?

Bitconnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeccccccct
Dan Larimer
Lewis Barber of Sharpe Capital
Calvin Ayre
Anybody in support of "Dothereum"
The Onecoin guys
Oyster Pearl's "Bruno"
Whoever made up Dentacoin. Dentafúckingcoin
Centra Tech

So many more& even more to come, very exciting.

lawred2 · 16-04-2019 8:18pm

Who was the lad that staged a fake ICO? Just took the whole website with the white paper offline on ICO day then tweeted a picture of himself at a departure lounge and followed up later with a tweet from some beach...

grindle · 16-04-2019 8:25pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Who was the lad that staged a fake ICO? Just took the whole website with the white paper offline on ICO day then tweeted a picture of himself at a departure lounge and followed up later with a tweet from some beach...

That was a PR stunt to show how easily it could happen & get their name in the papers. Probably the wrong choice given most think he's on a beach somewhere.
Edit: Savedroid

Prodeum's (revolutionising the fruit and veg industry, oh my word) exit scam was succinct:
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lawred2 · 16-04-2019 8:27pm

grindle wrote: »

That was a PR stunt to show how easily it could happen & get their name in the papers. Probably the wrong choice given most think he's on a beach somewhere.
Edit: Savedroid

Prodeum's (revolutionising the fruit and veg industry, oh my word) exit scam was succinct:

Was that definitely it? Name doesn't ring a bell. Could very well be now.. not saying it's not

JohnnyFlash · 16-04-2019 8:28pm

Dan Larrimer is another scam artist, and looks like something you’d drag up from the bottom of a murky pond.

Charlie Lee as well, selling off all his litecoin in December 2017 for the ‘good of the community’.

grindle · 16-04-2019 8:29pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Was that definitely it? Name doesn't ring a bell. Could very well be now.. not saying it's not

lawred2 · 16-04-2019 8:47pm

grindle wrote: »

Haha that's it alright

Tinder Surprise · 17-04-2019 2:47pm

I stay in the mindset that everyone is out to make a quick buck and potentially screw you over in the process.

Its easier and safer.

This new wave of development and roll out 'trust-less transaction' systems and networks is ironically full of folk not to trust.
Bad actors will be weeded out eventually, but until then it will resemble something like the Wild Wild West.

Thread carefully.

stockshares · 18-04-2019 12:56pm

Tinder Surprise wrote: »

I stay in the mindset that everyone is out to make a quick buck and potentially screw you over in the process.

Its easier and safer.

This new wave of development and roll out 'trust-less transaction' systems and networks is ironically full of folk not to trust.
Bad actors will be weeded out eventually, but until then it will resemble something like the Wild Wild West.

Thread carefully.

These Crypto Pioneers remind me of the characters in Deadwood. It was a show about a frontier town in the Wild West that attracted every kind of prospector

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/22/18277055/hbo-deadwood-the-movie-trailer-may-31-release-date

stockshares · 23-04-2019 9:38am

Bruno Block of Oyster Pearl(PRL)

https://medium.com/@bill_26126/oyster-update-b813390ce10e

JohnnyFlash · 24-04-2019 7:43pm

Justin Sun appears to announce a partnership with Liverpool FC. Loads of bag holders almost have a heart attack with excitement.

https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/1120927231587393536?s=21

Few hours later:

https://decryptmedia.com/6684/tron-liverpool-football-club-fc

grindle · 24-04-2019 8:08pm

That's quite funny, he's some chancer. And the spin the spokesperson's putting on it then... Ah god.

Dear AnyFúckingBody Justin,

If you give us some money to buy the fouling mercenaries players we need to maintain our lead against Man City Liverpool's glorious heritage, we will help to shill your shítcoin utopian ideals,

Yours Liverpudlianly,

Jürgen Norbert Klopp

stockshares · 24-04-2019 9:29pm

grindle wrote: »

That's quite funny, he's some chancer. And the spin the spokesperson's putting on it then... Ah god.

Dear AnyFúckingBody Justin,

If you give us some money to buy the fouling mercenaries players we need to maintain our lead against Man City Liverpool's glorious heritage, we will help to shill your shítcoin utopian ideals,

Yours Liverpudlianly,

Jürgen Norbert Klopp

I dont know whos worse, the Club or Justin. Everyone's after the Gravy

grindle · 25-04-2019 8:50am

Greg Maxwell [BTC Core developer & Blockstream co-founder].

How people can ignore the astroturfing and gaslighting is beyond me, but hey - as long a somebody makes some shekels, amirite?

stockshares · 25-04-2019 9:33am

grindle wrote: »

Greg Maxwell [BTC Core developer & Blockstream co-founder].

How people can ignore the astroturfing and gaslighting is beyond me, but hey - as long a somebody makes some shekels, amirite?

Im new to this but its striking how many Dodgy characters came out of the one project.

When a Governments attempts at regulation are questioned they only have to point to the current and former Bitcoin Project members.

Btw I seen that France has made it easy for Crypto startups to open Bank Accounts
https://www.coindesk.com/banks-cant-snub-crypto-startups-thanks-to-frances-new-blockchain-law

Edit:
Just seen this, DooTron Casino dissapears. Would the Casino be directly connected to the TRON project
https://www.ccn.com/tron-casino-disappearsthousands-of-investors-doomed-with-worthless-tokens

grindle · 25-04-2019 2:07pm

stockshares wrote: »

Im new to this but its striking how many Dodgy characters came out of the one project.

It's predictable considering the benefit they'd gain if they succeed plus it was the essentially the only project of it's kind for years. Any industry with lucrative gains up for grabs is full to the brim with ravenous scum, but it doesn't mean they all are.
Look at the country you live in, every second mongoloid is a landlord looking to fleece their fellow countrymen. That's not specific to our country or to landlords or anything - some dirtbag makes some money fleecing people, somebody else gets jealous and tries to repeat what the initial pleb did. "Any industry with lucrative gains..."
Onwards and upwards (until it crashes).

stockshares · 25-04-2019 2:56pm

grindle wrote: »

It's predictable considering the benefit they'd gain if they succeed plus it was the essentially the only project of it's kind for years. Any industry with lucrative gains up for grabs is full to the brim with ravenous scum, but it doesn't mean they all are.
Look at the country you live in, every second mongoloid is a landlord looking to fleece their fellow countrymen. That's not specific to our country or to landlords or anything - some dirtbag makes some money fleecing people, somebody else gets jealous and tries to repeat what the initial pleb did. "Any industry with lucrative gains..."
Onwards and upwards (until it crashes).

Considering the people involved are so dodgy who checks the code and cryptography of these projects. How do people know that these transactions and blockchain ledgers are actually trustless.

grindle · 25-04-2019 4:47pm

stockshares wrote: »

Considering the people involved are so dodgy who checks the code and cryptography of these projects. How do people know that these transactions and blockchain ledgers are actually trustless.

There are tens upon tens of thousands of devs and cryptographers in the world, blackhats and whitehats alike - if there was a fatal problem with the code you'd know about it because your wallets would be emptied along with everybody else's and the chain/project forked. You can check the code if you want.
That you may not understand it means nothing, your argument relies on the idea that nobody else checks or understands it. Billions-worth of a reward apparently not enticing enough reason to learn.

Don't mistake or conflate nefarious ideologies for or with nefarious code - you should be worried about the ideologies of people who've hijacked Bitcoin rather than their coding nous. They have every reason to want Bitcoin to be secure, their company will be making money providing Layer 2 solutions. Which is why they need the base layer to be artificially crippled.

stockshares · 27-04-2019 11:13pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Justin Sun appears to announce a partnership with Liverpool FC. Loads of bag holders almost have a heart attack with excitement.

https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/1120927231587393536?s=21

Few hours later:

https://decryptmedia.com/6684/tron-liverpool-football-club-fc

Liverpool at it again
https://t.me/iv?url=https://u.today/binances-cz-gets-partnership-invitation-from-liverpool-fc-true-or-fake&rhash=a523a59c412fdc

grindle · 24-05-2019 2:21pm

Tenuous connection to crypto given he's a tasteless shítstirring troll on a small Irish sub-forum, but he's ranted about crypto and fraud enough:

JohnnyFlash - self-admitted electoral fraudster!

Funny that, eh? Constantly whinging about a technology that would render this impossible and taking advantage of the fact that it currently isn't, what a guy.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 24-05-2019 4:09pm

grindle wrote: »

Tenuous connection to crypto given he's a tasteless shítstirring troll on a small Irish sub-forum, but he's ranted about crypto and fraud enough:

JohnnyFlash - self-admitted electoral fraudster!

Funny that, eh? Constantly whinging about a technology that would render this impossible and taking advantage of the fact that it currently isn't, what a guy.

Cop on ffs.

Loads of people vote twice. Myself included. I have a holiday home in wicklow. I spend most of my weekends in the summer there. Very plugged in to local issues and pay plenty if tax there. Why the hell shouldn't I be able to vote there as well as in Dublin.

grindle · 24-05-2019 5:08pm

Wowowow, a new entry, so quickly too!

Pintman Paddy Losty.
I never would've expected this kind of carry-on at all.

I don't give a toss where you live or if you think it justifies a right to more than one vote. The mod - and more importantly the government - seem to think it's illegal:

nuac wrote:

Are you suggesting duplication of polling cards allows you to vote twice? Not so. that would be a criminal offence.

110 Prohibition on voting by person registered as elector when not entitled to be so registered.

110. (1) A person—

(a) who is registered in the register of local government electors for the time being in force for a local electoral area but is not entitled to be so registered, or

(b) who is not registered in that register,

shall not vote in that local electoral area.

(2) A person who contravenes sub-article (1) shall be guilty of an offence.

Beyond admitting that you also commit the offence, your attempt to justify it is an offence in itself:

113 Misleading statement as to process of voting.

113. Any person who, before or during an election, makes or publishes any statement which is likely to mislead voters as to the actual process of voting shall be guilty of an offence.

Cop on ffs. Any critique of fraud by you guys any point from now on has been completely devalued by yourselves.

unkel · 24-05-2019 5:40pm

Unbelievable stuff. How the hell is it even possible to be registered for voting twice? This register is obviously not linked to social security (PPS) records. Only in Ireland :rolleyes:

grindle · 24-05-2019 5:48pm

unkel wrote: »

Unbelievable stuff. How the hell is it even possible to be registered for voting twice? This register is obviously not linked to social security (PPS) records. Only in Ireland :rolleyes:

Yeah, we're 2-3 years out from them applying PPS numbers to the register, "consultation" takes that long. Another "Only in Ireland" to place right beside our two resident hypocrite criminal fraudsters.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 24-05-2019 8:30pm

grindle wrote: »

Wowowow, a new entry, so quickly too!

Pintman Paddy Losty.
I never would've expected this kind of carry-on at all.

I don't give a toss where you live or if you think it justifies a right to more than one vote. The mod - and more importantly the government - seem to think it's illegal:

Beyond admitting that you also commit the offence, your attempt to justify it is an offence in itself:

Cop on ffs. Any critique of fraud by you guys any point from now on has been completely devalued by yourselves.

Hahaha. Yeah it's the crime of the century. I'm sure the fuzz will be bashing the door in chez Losty any minute now. :rolleyes:

Voting twice in the same constituency I can see the issue. Two separate ones which I am present and require representation in is victimless.

It'll be a sad day when the block chain replaces the electoral register. Thankfully it won't be coming any time soon.

grindle · 24-05-2019 8:48pm

Why would the fuzz come? Sher what spaz cares enough to report a crime that barely influences whether vanilla milkshake #1 replaces vanilla milkshake #2?
But it makes a mockery of any critique ye've ever had because ye're fraudulent criminals arguing against a fraud prevention technology. Blockchain will remove these kinds of instances of criminality across many levels, from the very bottom right up to this scrotesucking level ye're at and all the way up. Sad you can't see the positive in that. Or can you?

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

It'll be a sad day when the block chain replaces the electoral register. Thankfully it won't be coming any time soon.

Ooh, "when" not "if"? #bullish

JohnnyFlash · 24-05-2019 9:23pm

What you need is a PPS number, and a database which contains records of those entitled to vote. Not some bizarre Rube Goldberg system. There's not a democratic voting system in the world that would be improved by including muh blockchain in it.

Dodgy characters of the Crypto boom

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