Who Are The People Buying Sex This Way?

Zorya · 23-05-2019 2:58pm

cgcsb wrote: »

the question was, how do people pay for it, the answer is, people buy lots of things of questionable ethical origin

People are not things.

cgcsb · 23-05-2019 3:01pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

are all ethical people always ethical at all times?

They're basically the modern day version of nuns. They want abortion on demand and then also to rule women's decisions about sex, if these people were born 60 years ago they'd be locking women up in the laundry for their own good while stuffing some babies into a septic tank.

cgcsb · 23-05-2019 3:03pm

Zorya wrote: »

People are not things.

The 'it' being the service i.e. sex, not the person who provides it.

Zorya · 23-05-2019 4:08pm

cgcsb wrote: »

The 'it' being the service i.e. sex, not the person who provides it.

The ''it'' service directly involves a person, a person very closely connected to your body. Not a penneys t-shirt or a banana. There are scales of things, you know. Nuance. Degrees. A smack on the hand is not comparable to a whack of a hurley.

Zorya · 23-05-2019 4:12pm

cgcsb wrote: »

They're basically the modern day version of nuns. They want abortion on demand ....

Lead me to these strange nuns of yours, master. :pac:

Junkyard Tom · 23-05-2019 4:12pm

Zorya wrote: »

Yes. It is usually poverty or trafficking. This ''worker'' phrase is modern marxist BS being applied to make abuse seem like it can be salvaged.

Marxist? What in the name of muppetry has Marx got to do with all this? I would have thought that prostitution is very good example of the exploitation of people by others for profit i.e. capitalism.

I'm not a Marxist scholar but wouldn't Marx advocate worker-owned cooperatives for sex.. ehhh... service providers?

Zorya · 23-05-2019 4:21pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Marxist? What in the name of muppetry has Marx got to do with all this? I would have thought that prostitution is very good example of the exploitation of people by others for profit i.e. capitalism.

I'm not a Marxist scholar but wouldn't Marx advocate worker-owned cooperatives for sex.. ehhh... service providers?

I had been reading Sophie Lewis's neo marxist- feminist critique of surrogacy where she uses the word ''worker'' to exalt the role of the surrogate (more abused poverty stricken women for the most part)...(and of course thereafter argue for the tearing asunder of the world.) Some, maybe even a lot of, neo-marxist feminists use the word worker along with sex to the same end.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 23-05-2019 4:28pm

Such a degrading profession. You don't get much lower, men have zero respect for prostitutes, a sex object, that's all.

God help any girl who gets herself involved in that world. It's no life for anyone.

cgcsb · 23-05-2019 4:38pm

Zorya wrote: »

The ''it'' service directly involves a person, a person very closely connected to your body. Not a penneys t-shirt or a banana. There are scales of things, you know. Nuance. Degrees. A smack on the hand is not comparable to a whack of a hurley.

I think the bloody fingers of the Bangladeshi children working the sewing machines might question that, but ok, if you like to think of it that way.

cgcsb · 23-05-2019 4:40pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Such a degrading profession. You don't get much lower, men have zero respect for prostitutes, a sex object, that's all.

God help any girl who gets herself involved in that world. It's no life for anyone.

A professional prostitute probably has the same attitude towards pen pushers counting the pay checks till their death day, but each to their own.

The Rape of Lucretia · 23-05-2019 5:16pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Such a degrading profession. You don't get much lower, men have zero respect for prostitutes, a sex object, that's all.

I dont think men have the same attitude towards courtesans though. They would be respected, and not at all trapped in their lucrative roles.

23-05-2019 6:08pm

Zorya wrote: »

What occurs to me is who are the people who are comfortable buying sex in such situations?
How can ordinary people get off when they must suspect that the prostitutes are basically slaves?

Most people wouldn't, and don't.

But there is a minority that simply don't care, I suspect.

People choose what to believe and the rationalization comes later. If people want to believe its a business like any other and that women are doing well in brothels or that they have protections and choose the work, it permits them to do just about anything.

Mrcaramelchoc · 23-05-2019 6:15pm

I watched a doc on Netflix last night called hot girls wanted.if it was to be believed there are hundreds of girls out there willing to get into porn for starters and end up falling into the trap of prostitution which isn't very far removed from it.its mind blowing.

Thespoofer · 23-05-2019 6:29pm

I've been to Eastern Europe a good number of times on a few business investments in the past. The business partner ( not any more) I was involved with was a few years my senior.

On a number of these trips he would have brought along friends of his to basically 'see the sights' so to speak.
A few times the group, me included, ended up in premises where sex was sold, there'd be alcohol sold at these places also. Most of the other members of the group would have purchased sex no problem. I always refrained.

One time kind of stuck with me, we went to a premises and shortly after arriving the boss walked all the ladies ( all beautiful) out in a line in front of us and asked each one of us which one we would like to take. When it came to my turn I politely refused, its not my thing.

I always remember the look on the ladies faces, tired, kind of sad and I suspect a deep hatred of men.

The industry I work in ( construction) has a very large percentage of people willing to use prostitutes. I don't find it one bit appealing and just for the record, I'm a very red blooded male and like to look at an attractive female just as much as the next guy.

paw patrol · 23-05-2019 6:32pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Such a degrading profession. You don't get much lower, men have zero respect for prostitutes, a sex object, that's all.

God help any girl who gets herself involved in that world. It's no life for anyone.

this is just not true.
Many punters have regular girls they visit and a decent rapport with. There are good and bad people in society and this industry is no different.

goose2005 · 23-05-2019 6:47pm

400,000 people at last estimate work as prostitutes there. Many are trafficked.

but what does "many" mean?

300,000 women, mostly trafficked, work as prostitutes since decriminalisation.

It is the second most profitable criminal activity after drugs.

I don't know how you'd measure that, but this article suggests that cybercrime and counterfeit goods are far more profitable. url]https://www.rankred.com/10-biggest-illegal-businesses-around-the-world/[/url

Prostitutes are now being defined as ''sex workers'', as if the term ''worker'', with its implied respectable transactional element, can somehow legitimise this. This is the modern feminist perspective - to fight for their ''rights''. This is bullsh!t. With trafficked people making up such a huge bulk of the prostitutes worker is an impossible definition.

so we've gone from "many" to "most" to "a huge bulk", without any clear figures

Zorya · 23-05-2019 6:53pm

Candie wrote: »

Most people wouldn't, and don't.

But there is a minority that simply don't care, I suspect.

People choose what to believe and the rationalization comes later. If people want to believe its a business like any other and that women are doing well in brothels or that they have protections and choose the work, it permits them to do just about anything.

I'd like to think that but reading around I'm not so sure. 1.5 million pay for sex daily in Germany and making the perhaps not too wild assumption that once a week would do for a paid service, that is 8 million a week. The whole population is 80 million so one tenth every week if one included both sexes and everyone from birth to death. Quite a percentage then in reality. And it's the sex trafficking hub of Europe. So the ones willing to use slaves are likely quite numerous as there are many there, and the mega brothels flat rate thing still goes on it seems. That is shocking.

Zorya · 23-05-2019 7:00pm

goose2005 wrote: »

but what does "many" mean?

I don't know how you'd measure that, but this article suggests that cybercrime and counterfeit goods are far more profitable. url]https://www.rankred.com/10-biggest-illegal-businesses-around-the-world/[/url

so we've gone from "many" to "most" to "a huge bulk", without any clear figures

I've linked lots of articles and studies and an EU paper. They are a tiny fraction of the google results though - the numbers are large and official sources regularly suggest many, meaning a large number, most, meaning more than 50%, and even a huge bulk , meaning in some cases percentages of 80 to 90 are stated. Look it up yourself.

nacho libre · 23-05-2019 7:36pm

I remember being propositioned by a beautiful black woman in Norway. It's the only time it has ever happened to me. I was tempted, but said no. I can see how others who might be socially awkward, and perhaps starved of sex feel the need to pay for it. If the woman is not trafficked, and it's her choice to be a prostitute, i don't see the problem in this scenario. I recall there was a woman who did a q and here sometime ago, who was happy being a sex worker.

WAW · 23-05-2019 7:38pm

How many of the moral relativists and defenders of prostitution and users of prostitutes would themselves be happy to submit their bodies to the slobbering, hammering, pounding, pawing by multiples of (usually) men and deal with the pain, infections, physical trauma, bowel problems, incontinence, not to mention the emotional effects? Not so sexy. If it was just about sex, anything would do. But it's not, obviously. Some dark part of even the nicest-seeming sex service user needs an emotional core inside the sex object, i.e prostitute....why is that? They know the women don't enjoy it. They know they pretend. They know the physical reality of what happens to prostitutes' bodies over time. Because that dark part of humankind likes to dominate, like to feel power over others, likes to humiliate, likes to metaphorically sh*t on another human being.

Feisar · 23-05-2019 7:57pm

WAW wrote: »

How many of the moral relativists and defenders of prostitution and users of prostitutes would themselves be happy to submit their bodies to the slobbering, hammering, pounding, pawing by multiples of (usually) men and deal with the pain, infections, physical trauma, bowel problems, incontinence, not to mention the emotional effects? Not so sexy. If it was just about sex, anything would do. But it's not, obviously. Some dark part of even the nicest-seeming sex service user needs an emotional core inside the sex object, i.e prostitute....why is that? They know the women don't enjoy it. They know they pretend. They know the physical reality of what happens to prostitutes' bodies over time. Because that dark part of humankind likes to dominate, like to feel power over others, likes to humiliate, likes to metaphorically sh*t on another human being.

Metaphorically?

Force Carrier · 23-05-2019 8:01pm

Feisar wrote: »

Metaphorically?

Donald?

Berserker · 23-05-2019 8:51pm

nacho libre wrote: »

I can see how others who might be socially awkward, and perhaps starved of sex feel the need to pay for it. If the woman is not trafficked, and it's her choice to be a prostitute, i don't see the problem in this scenario.

I do feel for people who fall into the category you describe but there is no way of knowing that a prostitute is there of her own free will. Amsterdam has issues with trafficked women working in the RLD, as noted earlier in the thread.

Junkyard Tom · 23-05-2019 8:52pm

Zorya wrote: »

Some, maybe even a lot of, neo-marxist feminists use the word worker along with sex to the same end.

Isn't 'sex-worker' a little more respectful to the person than 'Whore', 'Prostitute' or 'Bum Bandit'? I doubt 'sex-worker' is used to make the person purchasing sexual 'services' feel better.

Also, with the rise of the internet as method of providing a shop window, as it were, I though the whole whore-house and pimping thing was on the wane?

mvl · 23-05-2019 8:56pm

.Charlo wrote: »

I read somewhere recently scientists were teaching monkeys the concept of money, they first started exchanging money for food, not long after that they were paying female monkeys for sex.

let's keep it gender neutral plse

during the chaos event, observed how one of the monkeys exchanged money to another for sex. After the act was over, the monkey which was paid immediately used it to buy a grape

dotsman · 23-05-2019 9:20pm

I assume everybody here in favour of the continued criminalisation of prostitution and the persecution of those who engage in it are also in favour of criminalising pornography and persecuting all involved (actors and viewers alike)?

cgcsb · 23-05-2019 9:24pm

Thespoofer wrote: »

I've been to Eastern Europe a good number of times on a few business investments in the past. The business partner ( not any more) I was involved with was a few years my senior.

On a number of these trips he would have brought along friends of his to basically 'see the sights' so to speak.
A few times the group, me included, ended up in premises where sex was sold, there'd be alcohol sold at these places also. Most of the other members of the group would have purchased sex no problem. I always refrained.

One time kind of stuck with me, we went to a premises and shortly after arriving the boss walked all the ladies ( all beautiful) out in a line in front of us and asked each one of us which one we would like to take. When it came to my turn I politely refused, its not my thing.

I always remember the look on the ladies faces, tired, kind of sad and I suspect a deep hatred of men.

The industry I work in ( construction) has a very large percentage of people willing to use prostitutes. I don't find it one bit appealing and just for the record, I'm a very red blooded male and like to look at an attractive female just as much as the next guy.

Things that never happened for $400!

You do realise you just described a scene from a Liam Neeson movie.

cgcsb · 23-05-2019 9:31pm

WAW wrote: »

How many of the moral relativists and defenders of prostitution and users of prostitutes would themselves be happy to submit their bodies to the slobbering, hammering, pounding, pawing by multiples of (usually) men and deal with the pain, infections, physical trauma, bowel problems, incontinence, not to mention the emotional effects? Not so sexy. If it was just about sex, anything would do. But it's not, obviously. Some dark part of even the nicest-seeming sex service user needs an emotional core inside the sex object, i.e prostitute....why is that? They know the women don't enjoy it. They know they pretend. They know the physical reality of what happens to prostitutes' bodies over time. Because that dark part of humankind likes to dominate, like to feel power over others, likes to humiliate, likes to metaphorically sh*t on another human being.

That's your view of it. For some people, they probably are happy to do it, some prositiutes hand pick the nicest clients, its also none of yojr business really. When I was a student I worked in retail and catering. During that time I've been attacked physically and verbally by 'customers'. The things people say to you when they feel that they've paid for something is unreal. Right prostitution is a more extreme form of same but still its something that suits some people.

ToddyDoody · 23-05-2019 11:47pm

This is graphic.

This is why people need to book in advance.

Pussy Club advertised itself thus -

"Sex with all women as long as you want, as often as you want and the way you want. Sex. Anal sex. Oral sex without a condom. Three-ways. Group sex. Gang bangs." The price: €70 during the day and €100 in the evening.

1700 people queued to get in on opening night.

In 2017 Germany outlawed flat rate brothels. Mickelwait describes how things were there -
By the end of the opening day many of the women had collapsed from exhaustion, pain, injuries, and infections, including painful rashes and fungal infections that had spread from their genitals down their legs.

Gimme A Pound · 24-05-2019 12:29am

cgcsb wrote: »

That's your view of it. For some people, they probably are happy to do it, some prositiutes hand pick the nicest clients, its also none of yojr business really. When I was a student I worked in retail and catering. During that time I've been attacked physically and verbally by 'customers'. The things people say to you when they feel that they've paid for something is unreal. Right prostitution is a more extreme form of same but still its something that suits some people.

The bolded part could be said about absolutely anything. This topic always brings out such defensiveness, nerves being jarred, deflection, downplaying, whataboutery. If it's because it causes discomfort to those who pay for sex and don't have a crap attitude towards the prostitute, and the prostitute is perfectly fine with what they're doing... happy days. That's not what's being critiqued.

People will discuss the negatives - I don't understand why you keep effectively telling them to shut up, with dubious comparisons. Yeah I've worked in customer service and dealt with utter maniacs - it's still nothing compared to the physical effects as described in the opening post.

Few would argue that there aren't people who choose to do it, who are ok with it, for whom it suits... but we're not talking about them, so how is that a rebuttal?

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 12:52am

The industry is very varied. I wouldn't paint all of them with one brush.

You have to take places and people as you find them.

Who is doing it?

Men.

Sometimes these men meet the genuine article. The more they hang around though the more susceptible they are to cons. Getting drugged or robbed etc. And they NEVER report it ...especially the married ones.

Do i judge it? Not with one brush stroke.

If you are a hooker with a sense of humor, you do what you do freely, you watch out for other women, then you are ok with me.

If you are punter you are polite, use women 18 and over, and realize they are human you are ok with me.

They are not all good they are not all bad.

And most of all ...its none of my business what consenting adults do.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 12:55am

cgcsb wrote: »

Things that never happened for $400!

You do realise you just described a scene from a Liam Neeson movie.

Where do you think hollywood got it from ...their 'creativity' or Charlie Sheen's diary?

My Dad used to run hotels ..all through Europe ....HUGE issues with trafficking

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47201210

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 12:57am

WAW wrote: »

How many of the moral relativists and defenders of prostitution and users of prostitutes would themselves be happy to submit their bodies to the slobbering, hammering, pounding, pawing by multiples of (usually) men and deal with the pain, infections, physical trauma, bowel problems, incontinence, not to mention the emotional effects? Not so sexy. If it was just about sex, anything would do. But it's not, obviously. Some dark part of even the nicest-seeming sex service user needs an emotional core inside the sex object, i.e prostitute....why is that? They know the women don't enjoy it. They know they pretend. They know the physical reality of what happens to prostitutes' bodies over time. Because that dark part of humankind likes to dominate, like to feel power over others, likes to humiliate, likes to metaphorically sh*t on another human being.

They are not all like that.:rolleyes:

Gimme A Pound · 24-05-2019 1:00am

Wha?

As you say yourself, it's varied - good and bad.

And it's the bad that's being discussed here, which of course there's obviously nothing wrong with judging.

How do you know about stuff that's not reported? (Unless you've heard reliable anecdotes I guess).

Gimme A Pound · 24-05-2019 1:02am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Where do you think hollywood got it from ...their 'creativity' or Charlie Sheen's diary?

My Dad used to run hotels ..all through Europe ....HUGE issues with trafficking

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47201210

And there you go - that's the bad aspect which the opening post is focusing on.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 1:03am

Berserker wrote: »

I do feel for people who fall into the category you describe but there is no way of knowing that a prostitute is there of her own free will. Amsterdam has issues with trafficked women working in the RLD, as noted earlier in the thread.

There is a way of indicating it. Does she have her own passport in her belonging? Does she have her own independent apartment etc? Does she have a bank account in her name? Does she have her own cash?

Is she allowed leave during her shift lets say for an emergency?

If she is foreign has she had a trip home in the last year?

Does she have her own money on her? Does she buy her own toiletries clothes underwear etc?

Does she speak the language of the country she is in?

Can she drive ? Does she have a car? If not does she have a bus ticket?

One SURE question a punter can ask is this.....hey what do you think of the city? What have you seen? What have you done while you were here? Can you recommend anything?

A girl who has been working in a city for a year and can't navigate herself around it even a little ..something is usually wrong.

And yes there prostitutes do are happy and safe in their jobs.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 1:10am

Jamari Lemon Shrimp wrote: »

And there you go - that's the bad aspect which the opening post is focusing on.

There is good and bad.

The good
https://www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/2017/02/06/what-unites-sex-workers-rights-and-abortion-rights-movements/

http://sexworkersallianceireland.org/

I agree with her ....whether or not you are talking about the good or the bad it shoudn't be illegal ..they deserve rights.

There is something amazing about women uniting to scream hoes need abortions

ITS LIKE HISTORIC!

Sardonicat · 24-05-2019 1:15am

Do 'punters' usually personally check if she has her passport on her etc? Check for receipts for toiletries and clothes? Check the name on her apartment lease?
How would they know any of these things if using a brothel like the one mentioned in the OP?

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 1:17am

Sardonicat wrote: »

Do 'punters' usually personally check if she has her passport on her etc? Check for receipts for toiletries and clothes? Check the name on her apartment lease?
How would they know any of these things if using a brothel like the one mentioned in the OP?

Most of you i am sure are savvy enough to just KNOW. Trust your gut.

Punters are just ordinary dudes.

Gimme A Pound · 24-05-2019 1:25am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

There is good and bad

Yes, I know. We've both acknowledged it numerous times, but this thread is about the bad.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. It's like you're arguing against something that wasn't said (well, not by the vast majority here anyway).

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 1:27am

Jamari Lemon Shrimp wrote: »

Yes, I know. We've both acknowledged it numerous times, but this thread is about the bad.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Apologies. I wasn't trying to be antagonistic.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 1:31am

I guess 'sextortion' scams and drugging or robbing of clients would be part of the bad.

Violence against prostitutes. I assume it differs wildly from country to country.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 1:41am

Its a grey area ....Ireland is better

Maybe background checks on punters would help???

If you couldn't go to a brothel without a background check and a reference?

Make it more like a members club where you have to get on a list for full membership.
Lol at something in one of those articles

They want a girl to look inexperienced etc. They want a prostitute who is inexperienced at sex? Fine chance.

Zorya · 24-05-2019 7:05am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

There is a way of indicating it. Does she have her own passport in her belonging? Does she have her own independent apartment etc? Does she have a bank account in her name? Does she have her own cash?

Is she allowed leave during her shift lets say for an emergency?

If she is foreign has she had a trip home in the last year?

Does she have her own money on her? Does she buy her own toiletries clothes underwear etc?

Does she speak the language of the country she is in?

Can she drive ? Does she have a car? If not does she have a bus ticket?

One SURE question a punter can ask is this.....hey what do you think of the city? What have you seen? What have you done while you were here? Can you recommend anything?

A girl who has been working in a city for a year and can't navigate herself around it even a little ..something is usually wrong.

.

I don't get all of this, as if people are interviewing the prostitute before sex? It is not like that. After the mega brothel opening night there was a big discussion group held online where the punters complained among each other that the women were not fit to use after a few hours. You think such people give a damn about the provenance of her underwear?

Some of the problems with decriminalisation is it means the police cannot go into brothels to check what is happening because they are now ''legal''. The brothels have a de facto seal of approval and traffickers move into those spaces easily. And because it is legal the punters demand more, as they now see it is their right. In some of these places the prostitutes pay to rent the space, and I have read that some must have sex with 6 people just to pay the rent each day. Only after six people per day can they start making profit. Fuxake.

Anyways two recent cases.
Germany. Tuesday.

Five people have gone on trial in Germany for allegedly trafficking up to 200 Thai women and forcing them to work in a nationwide network of brothels.

The four Thai women and a German man were arrested last year in what was dubbed the biggest mass search in the history of the federal police.

The victims were smuggled into the country on fake tourist visas and initially forced to work in three brothels in the western city of Siegen before being moved elsewhere, it is alleged.

Prostitution is legal in Germany, but the suspects allegedly did not pay the women.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48350961?fbclid=IwAR1dwibPqGjlMFNCN9nQwMWYPBxZ-euEkfnIxjmzlXVXiytj7lT_yNRLOzE

China. This week.

Thousands of North Korean women and girls are being forced to work in the sex trade in China, according to a new report by a London-based rights group.

"Victims are prostituted for as little as 30 Chinese yuan ($4.30; £3.40), sold as wives for just 1,000 yuan, and trafficked into cybersex dens for exploitation by a global online audience," the report's author Yoon Hee-soon said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48340210

Dr Ingeborg Kraus argues on behalf of abolition or at least the Nordic model. This is one thing she said -

There is a recent medical report from a gynaecologist who is working with prostituted women. The health condition of those women is catastrophic. With 30 years they are very often pre-aged. All women have persistent abdominal pains, Gastritis and frequent infections, also due to the unhealthy living conditions. And of course, all kinds of sexually transmittable diseases. The psychological traumatisation can just only be coped with through alcohol and pharmaceutical drugs. He reports about a growing demand for pregnant women in prostitution. Those women have to serve 15 to 40 men a day continuously until they give birth. Very often, they abandon their child and go to work as soon as possible. Sometimes 3 days after birthing of the child.

https://www.trauma-and-prostitution.eu/2016/06/05/stellungnahme-von-wolfgang-heide-facharzt-fuer-gynaekologie-und-geburtshilfe/

suicide_circus · 24-05-2019 7:08am

i wonder what would happen of all prostitution ended tomorrow, all over the world, just like that?

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 7:13am

Zorya wrote: »

I don't get all of this, as if people are interviewing the prostitute before sex? It is not like that. After the mega brothel opening night there was a big discussion group held online where the punters complained among each other that the women were not fit to use after a few hours. You think such people give a damn about the provenance of her underwear?

Some of the problems with decriminalisation is it means the police cannot go into brothels to check what is happening because they are now ''legal''. The brothels have a de facto seal of approval and traffickers move into those spaces easily. And because it is legal the punters demand more, as they now see it is their right. In some of these places the prostitutes pay to rent the space, and I have read that some must have sex with 6 people just to pay the rent each day. Only after six people per day can they start making profit. Fuxake.

Anyways two recent cases.
Germany. Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48350961?fbclid=IwAR1dwibPqGjlMFNCN9nQwMWYPBxZ-euEkfnIxjmzlXVXiytj7lT_yNRLOzE

China. This week.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48340210

Dr Ingeborg Kraus argues on behalf of abolition or at least the Nordic model. This is one thing she said -

https://www.trauma-and-prostitution.eu/2016/06/05/stellungnahme-von-wolfgang-heide-facharzt-fuer-gynaekologie-und-geburtshilfe/

All of this is not caused by prostitution though. Its caused by bad people or more specifically bad men.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 7:14am

suicide_circus wrote: »

i wonder what would happen of all prostitution ended tomorrow, all over the world, just like that?

i wonder

Zorya · 24-05-2019 7:15am

suicide_circus wrote: »

i wonder what would happen of all prostitution ended tomorrow, all over the world, just like that?

But that's not what I am saying. At all.

One has to be still allowed to say that much of what is definitely happening in that world is vile and disturbing and wrong.
It is actually the vague suggestion that speaking out against it makes one somehow a prude or conservative that is facilitating the continuation of what is absolutely disgusting.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 7:19am

Zorya wrote: »

But that's not what I am saying. At all.

One has to be still allowed to say that much of what is definitely happening in that world is vile and disturbing and wrong.
It is actually the vague suggestion that speaking out against it makes one somehow a prude or conservative that is facilitating the continuation of what is absolutely disgusting.

I don't think for a moment you are a prude. I understand why you are saying what you say. It just means you care.

Legal changes are easy to make. Cultural ones or culture wide psychological ones are harder.

The other factor is just sheer poverty.

Things are deeply interconnected.

suicide_circus · 24-05-2019 7:25am

Zorya wrote: »

But that's not what I am saying. At all.

One has to be still allowed to say that much of what is definitely happening in that world is vile and disturbing and wrong.
It is actually the vague suggestion that speaking out against it makes one somehow a prude or conservative that is facilitating the continuation of what is absolutely disgusting.

but surely you want this vile trade to cease? and i'm wondering what impact that would have.
For example;
*a crushing blow to human traffickers
*emancipation of countless women
*an income source cut off for countless women
*hoards of frustrated men
*freeing up of police/court resources

as for the prude comments, the argument is that sex is traditionally the one aspect of life in which women absolutely dominate men, holding all the cards and that some object to prostitution not on the grounds of the suffering of prostitutes but because it frees their husbands from their sexual control.

Who Are The People Buying Sex This Way?

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