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Who Are The People Buying Sex This Way?

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    #92
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    This is an important topic and does show a really nasty side to our society. The numbers involved mean it is widespread.
    Accessing sexual services from a consenting,
    functioning adult that is doing that job to make money is one thing.
    The problem is the amount of men that are willing to pay for sex with zero thought to the plight of the women involved (sometimes virtually children) is heartbreaking.


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    #93
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    joe40 wrote: »
    This is an important topic and does show a really nasty side to our society. The numbers involved mean it is widespread.
    Accessing sexual services from a consenting,
    functioning adult that is doing that job to make money is one thing.
    The problem is the amount of men that are willing to pay for sex with zero thought to the plight of the women involved (sometimes virtually children) is heartbreaking.

    agreed but what is to be done about it?


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    #94
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    joe40 wrote: »
    This is an important topic and does show a really nasty side to our society. The numbers involved mean it is widespread.
    Accessing sexual services from a consenting,
    functioning adult that is doing that job to make money is one thing.
    The problem is the amount of men that are willing to pay for sex with zero thought to the plight of the women involved (sometimes virtually children) is heartbreaking.

    Thanks Joe, that is it. The widespread nature of it confuses me, because for it to be so proftable it means regular ordinary people have sex with sex slaves. How does one do that and feel ok?

    It's not only about men v women, though - a lot of the people who sell into slavery in the first place or who manage the slaves later are women, from what i have read anyways. Shockingly.


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    #95
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Fungal infections that had spread down their legs?!! Well I see people are ignoring Rule number one then, never stick yer penis where you wouldn't stick yer tongue.

    Sad to say I've heard the phrase "she was just a whore" or words to that effect more than once. People are very quick to dehumanize others when it suits them. Or make excuses, "sure if it's not me it'd be someone else". Sad to say empathy is in short supply.

    “Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching- even when doing the wrong thing is legal.”

    ― Aldo Leopold

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #96
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    are all ethical people always ethical at all times?


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    #97
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Feisar


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    are all ethical people always ethical at all times?

    It's a bit like a driving test. One can get so many x's in certain categories and still pass but one x in the red is a fail.
    Propping up a semi conscious woman and having sex with her because someone paid their thirty pieces of silver is a fail.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #98
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Zorya wrote: »
    Sorry didn't mean to bend your ploughshare out of shape :) This use of the word ''worker'' though...it creeps in everywhere. And then the newly doffed workers can be told what to unite against. It's a load of crap.

    I'm well to the right of FG but the point stands, the PC left do not support the sex industry


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    #99
    King of Kings
    Registered Users Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    joe40 wrote: »
    This is an important topic and does show a really nasty side to our society. The numbers involved mean it is widespread.
    Accessing sexual services from a consenting,
    functioning adult that is doing that job to make money is one thing.
    The problem is the amount of men that are willing to pay for sex with zero thought to the plight of the women involved (sometimes virtually children) is heartbreaking.

    If the sex is consentual why should one be concerned about what factors brought somebody to that arrangement.
    There are many factors that are probably not pleasant that bringa both into selling/buying sex.
    But is the price/service is agreed who are others to ban what adults do. We need to allow adukts control of their lives to act as they wish.
    This notion of requiring others to second guess everybody else curcumstances is stupid


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    #100
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Former Observer wrote: »
    We make decisions about what people can do all of the time. They are called laws.

    hence the current debate,

    Former Observer wrote: »
    As you are very well aware, the vast majority of prostitutes are women, and the vast majority of buyers of sex are men. Yes there are male prostitutes. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

    point being people who want to make prostitution illegal probably wouldn't dream of telling a man what to do with his body.


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    #101
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Zorya wrote: »
    I don't actually. Rarely buy clothes at all. Second hand shops mostly. Because of child labour. And yet I know that a load of the stuff I enjoy in every day life is on the backs of slaves elsewhere. I really really hate it and try to minimise it, though it is impossible to avoid altogether. Unfortunately. Fair trade etc are some compromises. But you are engaging in whataboutery. It's not useful to women and children in sex slavery if people say but our coffee is drenched in someone elses blood, so sucks to be you.

    the question was, how do people pay for it, the answer is, people buy lots of things of questionable ethical origin


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    #102
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    cgcsb wrote: »
    the question was, how do people pay for it, the answer is, people buy lots of things of questionable ethical origin

    People are not things.


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    #103
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    are all ethical people always ethical at all times?

    They're basically the modern day version of nuns. They want abortion on demand and then also to rule women's decisions about sex, if these people were born 60 years ago they'd be locking women up in the laundry for their own good while stuffing some babies into a septic tank.


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    #104
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Zorya wrote: »
    People are not things.

    The 'it' being the service i.e. sex, not the person who provides it.


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    #105
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    cgcsb wrote: »
    The 'it' being the service i.e. sex, not the person who provides it.

    The ''it'' service directly involves a person, a person very closely connected to your body. Not a penneys t-shirt or a banana. There are scales of things, you know. Nuance. Degrees. A smack on the hand is not comparable to a whack of a hurley.


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    #106
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    cgcsb wrote: »
    They're basically the modern day version of nuns. They want abortion on demand ....


    :confused: Lead me to these strange nuns of yours, master. :pac:


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    #107
    Junkyard Tom
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    Zorya wrote: »
    Yes. It is usually poverty or trafficking. This ''worker'' phrase is modern marxist BS being applied to make abuse seem like it can be salvaged.

    Marxist? What in the name of muppetry has Marx got to do with all this? I would have thought that prostitution is very good example of the exploitation of people by others for profit i.e. capitalism.

    I'm not a Marxist scholar but wouldn't Marx advocate worker-owned cooperatives for sex.. ehhh... service providers?


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    #108
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Marxist? What in the name of muppetry has Marx got to do with all this? I would have thought that prostitution is very good example of the exploitation of people by others for profit i.e. capitalism.

    I'm not a Marxist scholar but wouldn't Marx advocate worker-owned cooperatives for sex.. ehhh... service providers?

    I had been reading Sophie Lewis's neo marxist- feminist critique of surrogacy where she uses the word ''worker'' to exalt the role of the surrogate (more abused poverty stricken women for the most part)...(and of course thereafter argue for the tearing asunder of the world.) Some, maybe even a lot of, neo-marxist feminists use the word worker along with sex to the same end.


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    #109
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Such a degrading profession. You don't get much lower, men have zero respect for prostitutes, a sex object, that's all.

    God help any girl who gets herself involved in that world. It's no life for anyone.


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    #110
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Zorya wrote: »
    The ''it'' service directly involves a person, a person very closely connected to your body. Not a penneys t-shirt or a banana. There are scales of things, you know. Nuance. Degrees. A smack on the hand is not comparable to a whack of a hurley.

    I think the bloody fingers of the Bangladeshi children working the sewing machines might question that, but ok, if you like to think of it that way.


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    #111
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Such a degrading profession. You don't get much lower, men have zero respect for prostitutes, a sex object, that's all.

    God help any girl who gets herself involved in that world. It's no life for anyone.

    A professional prostitute probably has the same attitude towards pen pushers counting the pay checks till their death day, but each to their own.


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    #112
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Such a degrading profession. You don't get much lower, men have zero respect for prostitutes, a sex object, that's all.

    I dont think men have the same attitude towards courtesans though. They would be respected, and not at all trapped in their lucrative roles.


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    #113
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zorya wrote: »
    What occurs to me is who are the people who are comfortable buying sex in such situations?
    How can ordinary people get off when they must suspect that the prostitutes are basically slaves?

    Most people wouldn't, and don't.

    But there is a minority that simply don't care, I suspect.

    People choose what to believe and the rationalization comes later. If people want to believe its a business like any other and that women are doing well in brothels or that they have protections and choose the work, it permits them to do just about anything.


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    #114
    Mrcaramelchoc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    I watched a doc on Netflix last night called hot girls wanted.if it was to be believed there are hundreds of girls out there willing to get into porn for starters and end up falling into the trap of prostitution which isn't very far removed from it.its mind blowing.


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    #115
    Thespoofer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Thespoofer


    I've been to Eastern Europe a good number of times on a few business investments in the past. The business partner ( not any more) I was involved with was a few years my senior.

    On a number of these trips he would have brought along friends of his to basically 'see the sights' so to speak.
    A few times the group, me included, ended up in premises where sex was sold, there'd be alcohol sold at these places also. Most of the other members of the group would have purchased sex no problem. I always refrained.

    One time kind of stuck with me, we went to a premises and shortly after arriving the boss walked all the ladies ( all beautiful) out in a line in front of us and asked each one of us which one we would like to take. When it came to my turn I politely refused, its not my thing.

    I always remember the look on the ladies faces, tired, kind of sad and I suspect a deep hatred of men.

    The industry I work in ( construction) has a very large percentage of people willing to use prostitutes. I don't find it one bit appealing and just for the record, I'm a very red blooded male and like to look at an attractive female just as much as the next guy.


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    #116
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Such a degrading profession. You don't get much lower, men have zero respect for prostitutes, a sex object, that's all.

    God help any girl who gets herself involved in that world. It's no life for anyone.

    this is just not true.
    Many punters have regular girls they visit and a decent rapport with. There are good and bad people in society and this industry is no different.


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    #117
    goose2005
    Registered Users Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    400,000 people at last estimate work as prostitutes there. Many are trafficked.
    but what does "many" mean?
    300,000 women, mostly trafficked, work as prostitutes since decriminalisation.
    It is the second most profitable criminal activity after drugs.
    I don't know how you'd measure that, but this article suggests that cybercrime and counterfeit goods are far more profitable. url]https://www.rankred.com/10-biggest-illegal-businesses-around-the-world/[/url
    Prostitutes are now being defined as ''sex workers'', as if the term ''worker'', with its implied respectable transactional element, can somehow legitimise this. This is the modern feminist perspective - to fight for their ''rights''. This is bullsh!t. With trafficked people making up such a huge bulk of the prostitutes worker is an impossible definition.
    so we've gone from "many" to "most" to "a huge bulk", without any clear figures


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    #118
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Candie wrote: »
    Most people wouldn't, and don't.

    But there is a minority that simply don't care, I suspect.

    People choose what to believe and the rationalization comes later. If people want to believe its a business like any other and that women are doing well in brothels or that they have protections and choose the work, it permits them to do just about anything.

    I'd like to think that but reading around I'm not so sure. 1.5 million pay for sex daily in Germany and making the perhaps not too wild assumption that once a week would do for a paid service, that is 8 million a week. The whole population is 80 million so one tenth every week if one included both sexes and everyone from birth to death. Quite a percentage then in reality. And it's the sex trafficking hub of Europe. So the ones willing to use slaves are likely quite numerous as there are many there, and the mega brothels flat rate thing still goes on it seems. That is shocking.


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    #119
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    goose2005 wrote: »
    but what does "many" mean?




    I don't know how you'd measure that, but this article suggests that cybercrime and counterfeit goods are far more profitable. url]https://www.rankred.com/10-biggest-illegal-businesses-around-the-world/[/url


    so we've gone from "many" to "most" to "a huge bulk", without any clear figures

    I've linked lots of articles and studies and an EU paper. They are a tiny fraction of the google results though - the numbers are large and official sources regularly suggest many, meaning a large number, most, meaning more than 50%, and even a huge bulk , meaning in some cases percentages of 80 to 90 are stated. Look it up yourself.


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    #120
    nacho libre
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    I remember being propositioned by a beautiful black woman in Norway. It's the only time it has ever happened to me. I was tempted, but said no. I can see how others who might be socially awkward, and perhaps starved of sex feel the need to pay for it. If the woman is not trafficked, and it's her choice to be a prostitute, i don't see the problem in this scenario. I recall there was a woman who did a q and here sometime ago, who was happy being a sex worker.


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    #121
    WAW
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭WAW


    How many of the moral relativists and defenders of prostitution and users of prostitutes would themselves be happy to submit their bodies to the slobbering, hammering, pounding, pawing by multiples of (usually) men and deal with the pain, infections, physical trauma, bowel problems, incontinence, not to mention the emotional effects? Not so sexy. If it was just about sex, anything would do. But it's not, obviously. Some dark part of even the nicest-seeming sex service user needs an emotional core inside the sex object, i.e prostitute....why is that? They know the women don't enjoy it. They know they pretend. They know the physical reality of what happens to prostitutes' bodies over time. Because that dark part of humankind likes to dominate, like to feel power over others, likes to humiliate, likes to metaphorically sh*t on another human being.


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