"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

ixoy · 20-05-2019 08:02PM

Well we see plenty of nepotism and cronyism in Ireland when it comes to getting positions of power in companies and government that they have zero experience in - so why is it so unbelievable Bronn gets a "job for the boys"...

Foxtrol · 20-05-2019 08:03PM

J. Marston wrote: »

It's been said that HBO were open to full 10 episode seasons 8 and 9 to wrap it up but the showrunners have signed on to do a trilogy of Star Wars movies. They wanted to get this done as quick as possible and move on to that. The whole "We had a 73 hour story planned for years" is utter nonsense.

I don't see how people can claim Star Wars has much to do with it.

They made a mess with planning the story over the last two seasons, leaving the need to close out 2 key storylines with 2 huge set pieces over 6 episodes. For some reason they fell in love with that utterly pointless quest beyond the wall to prove the threat to Cersei which took up so much time.

Slydice · 20-05-2019 08:04PM

J. Marston wrote: »

This shot was amazing...

I honestly burst my hole laughing

After that ... most of the rest of the episode I was just smirking away

I did try to get into the deep feels they were going for towards the end but ah I dunno. It just didn't work.

The closest was remembering Ygritte at the end but I get the feeling that was more sentimental feelings towards the earlier seasons.

This is far from the worst ending of a TV show though and it did feel like they tried to pull something together for ..many.. of the fans.

I got a weary feeling of Sequel setup-ness going on and couldn't get a sense of a bigger-than-caprica feel to them. Ya never know though. There might be a surprise.

If nothing comes of it, then maybe a reboot or down-the-road sequel might come along.

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The Game of Thrones finale, like much of the final season, was very Lord of the Rings. It wraps things up tidily and predictably. Every character gets their moment of triumph or release - even Jon, who suffers most out of the survivors, seems to find peace despite exile and loss of his one true love. Evil was conquered (any ambiguity about Dany swiftly extinguished in her delusional final speeches, and, y'know, the genocide) and the good guys prevail.

LOL, totally

MOH · 20-05-2019 08:07PM

Actually, I take it all back, the clue was there all along. The ending was spot on.

I've only just realised that "Game of Thrones" is an anagram of "Honest Fromage". Explains all the cheesiness.

Jamiekelly · 20-05-2019 08:08PM

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

When Melisandre was saying that to Ayra , it was no relation to any prophecy at all. She was just listing eye colors of people she would kill. Absolutely no relation to Cersei or White Walkers at all.

I enjoyed the last episode, thought it was quite a fitting ending.

It was heavily implied that she knew Arya was going to kill the Night King. The actress even accentuated the "blue eyes" part of her speech when they were in Winterfell for that purpose.

average hero wrote: »

As a stand alone episode, it was enjoyable enough.

As an ending to a series that I have loved for years - pathetic.

It wasn't what the writers did but how they did it. Everything was rushed. They went for style over substance with some of the battles and set pieces. Interestingly, I think it started going downhill when Littlefinger was killed. He was a great character and was central to a lot of the scheming and politicing which made GoT great.

This to me was the turning point aswell. They had to kill him off because as a character he was simply too complicated to write a plotline for. So they took the easy way out and killed him off. Even the manner in which they did it was eye rollingly bad. When Sansa said "how do you answer for these crimes you are accused off?" pause for effect, turns to Littlefinger "Lord Baelish" I cringed a little bit. It felt so contrived.

Also, why did Bran ask about the master of whisperers at the small council meeting? He doesn't need one and he should know that.

Thelonious Monk · 20-05-2019 08:09PM

I can't read all these pages but can someone tell me - who rebuilt the wall so quick? Or did it just not pan to the part that was destroyed by the zombie dragon?
Why was Dany allowed wander around on her own where the Iron Throne was? There could have been people hiding anywhere who wanted to kill her. No guards to search Jon?

Plus it just wouldn't. f*cking. end. I was hoping for someone to just get decapitated unexpectedly and then it's over but by the time the credits rolled I was surprised we didn't see a few weddings.

Dany dying was a good shock, but the rest of the episode was awful and nothing like the GOT I liked.

Thelonious Monk · 20-05-2019 08:12PM

Also I hadn't seen anything as cheesy as the dragon wings behind Dany since the CAN YOU SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE scene in Gravity where Bullock floats around like an embryo for some reason.

siblers · 20-05-2019 08:12PM

I really didn't like the jump from when Daenaerys was killed to the part when Brann was declared king. Felt like there was a huge amount left out.

Why the **** didn't Greyworm kill Jon? Made no sense

strandroad · 20-05-2019 08:13PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Why was Dany allowed wander around on her own where the Iron Throne was? There could have been people hiding anywhere who wanted to kill her. No guards to search Jon?

Drogon was guarding her, he just happened to trust Jon. Anyone else would be stopped or burned.

Alpha_zero · 20-05-2019 08:14PM

Was Dany meant to a metaphor for Iran?

Thelonious Monk · 20-05-2019 08:14PM

strandroad wrote: »

Drogon was guarding her, he just happened to trust Jon. Anyone else would be stopped or burned.

But it looked like there were 100 different ways into the destroyed building behind where the throne was and in that room!

Thelonious Monk · 20-05-2019 08:16PM

Anyway it's over now we can all just watch Chernobyl which is the best thing I've seen in years

lawlolawl · 20-05-2019 08:16PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I can't read all these pages but can someone tell me - who rebuilt the wall so quick? Or did it just not pan to the part that was destroyed by the zombie dragon?
Why was Dany allowed wander around on her own where the Iron Throne was? There could have been people hiding anywhere who wanted to kill her. No guards to search Jon?

A wizard did it.

That covers this entire season.

MOH · 20-05-2019 08:16PM

siblers wrote: »

I really didn't like the jump from when Daenaerys was killed to the part when Brann was declared king. Felt like there was a huge amount left out.

Why the **** didn't Greyworm kill Jon? Made no sense

How did anyone know Jon stabbed her in the heart? Drogon flew off with her body.

Actually, wait, knowing Jon he probably just told them himself.

Foxtrol · 20-05-2019 08:17PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I can't read all these pages but can someone tell me - who rebuilt the wall so quick? Or did it just not pan to the part that was destroyed by the zombie dragon?

The Wall is very long, spanning the whole continent. Jon went to Castle Black, whereas the Night King took down the Wall by East Watch by the sea. They wouldn't be close to the same camera shot.

super_furry · 20-05-2019 08:18PM

Why is there still a need for the Night's Watch though? The Wildings are all allies of the North now and those that weren't were cleared out by the White Walkers.

Thelonious Monk · 20-05-2019 08:20PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

The Wall is very long, spanning the whole continent. Jon went to Castle Black, whereas the Night King took down the Wall by East Watch by the sea. They wouldn't be close to the same camera shot.

Ah that makes sense, thanks. Still though, neeeeerd!!
Says the man trying to pick out plot holes...

osarusan · 20-05-2019 08:23PM

siblers wrote: »

I really didn't like the jump from when Daenaerys was killed to the part when Brann was declared king. Felt like there was a huge amount left out.

Why the **** didn't Greyworm kill Jon? Made no sense

You get the impression that a few seasons ago, when developing a script, there was a lot of time put into making sure that stories and characters were developed in such a way that they made sense to the viewer. The books helped obviously, but even after that, there was more depth.

Whereas now, there seems to be a sense of 'just move on to the next scene', 'just cut away from it', 'just skip forward a week or two' and not even try to justify things.

On these threads on boards, I've seen alternate versions that I genuinely think were better ways to develop a plot line and so on, and that shouldn't be the case.

TerrorFirmer · 20-05-2019 08:23PM

super_furry wrote: »

Why is there still a need for the Night's Watch though? The Wildings are all allies of the North now and those that weren't were cleared out by the White Walkers.

An obvious question but I think it's entirely symbolic. It always was; the Wildings were never a major threat in earlier seasons, and the NK was never more than a folk tale either.

The wildlings were allies of the North in a desperate time, but I would say the finale suggests that they remain outsiders, which ties neatly into Jon's somewhat happy ending.

Cynical part of me has to wonder if the whole "pet ghost" aspect wasn't added in last minute in reaction to fierce backlash over the ridiculous "we couldn't afford to have Jon pet Ghost given the enormous resources needed to make convincing dragons".

MOH · 20-05-2019 08:26PM

Come to think of it, Inspector Grey Worm is pretty insightful.

"So, she went to the throne room on her own. Nobody else saw her there, although Jon Snow was seen heading that way.
The throne was found melted into slag, and the dragon was missing, as was her body.
Yep, clearly Jon Snow must have stabbed her through the heart"

Twenty Grand · 20-05-2019 08:27PM

super_furry wrote: »

Why is there still a need for the Night's Watch though? The Wildings are all allies of the North now and those that weren't were cleared out by the White Walkers.

The wildlings are nearly all dead. What's left of them gathered to Mance, who got them most killed attacking the wall.
The rest retreated to Hardhome, and were killed by the NK.

MOH wrote: »

Come to think of it, Inspector Grey Worm is pretty insightful.

"So, she went to the throne room on her own. Nobody else saw her there, although Jon Snow was seen heading that way.
The throne was found melted into slag, and the dragon was missing, as was her body.
Yep, clearly Jon Snow must have stabbed her through the heart"

I wondered about that. He could have just wandered away. Give the bloody snow a bit of a kick to cover his tracks.

Foxtrol · 20-05-2019 08:29PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Ah that makes sense, thanks. Still though, neeeeerd!!
Says the man trying to pick out plot holes...

On your other one, you have to presume they've swept the place for enemies before she went in and posted guards at other doors, with a lot of damage being at levels they'd need to climb up the side of the keep to get into.

Dany's security do seem to be quiet weak at their jobs, at the start of season 7 it looked like they just let her lead the way into Dragonstone without doing any check about who was inside.

Alpha_zero · 20-05-2019 08:30PM

It bowed out with a whimper like many other pathetic endings, it can now challenge dexter and lost for worst ending ever ha

Benicetomonty · 20-05-2019 08:32PM

Id say John confessed, probably expecting to be executed immediately.

As to why Greyworm let him live, the unsullied are supposed to be emotionless and disciplined. With Dany dead, Greyworm may have simply seen the bigger picture. Just about believable imo, but a development that could and shouldve been given more time, like so much else.

Hercule Poirot · 20-05-2019 08:33PM

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

An obvious question but I think it's entirely symbolic. It always was; the Wildings were never a major threat in earlier seasons, and the NK was never more than a folk tale either.

The wildlings were allies of the North in a desperate time, but I would say the finale suggests that they remain outsiders, which ties neatly into Jon's somewhat happy ending.

Can't remember his actual name now but the bear fùcker often said he wasn't happy that side of the wall and it was inevitable they would go back

From the beginning the Wildings were never a threat, that was drummed up by Stannis Baratheon so he would have an excuse to execute a king - they were more than happy to stay the North side of the wall but for the NK and all that entailed

Foxtrol · 20-05-2019 08:36PM

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

An obvious question but I think it's entirely symbolic. It always was; the Wildings were never a major threat in earlier seasons, and the NK was never more than a folk tale either.

The wildlings were allies of the North in a desperate time, but I would say the finale suggests that they remain outsiders, which ties neatly into Jon's somewhat happy ending.

They never really wanted to come south aside from safety, I think it is understandable that the ones left wanted to go home.

Cynical part of me has to wonder if the whole "pet ghost" aspect wasn't added in last minute in reaction to fierce backlash over the ridiculous "we couldn't afford to have Jon pet Ghost given the enormous resources needed to make convincing dragons".

No way that was added in the last two weeks. They were lying or telling half truths about why he didnt pet him good bye.

If you want to be cynical, I'd say it is much more likely they purposefully didn't have him give him a proper goodbye knowing the fans would lose their mind about it which would make the payoff in the finale much sweeter (which is exactly how it ended up)

Drumpot · 20-05-2019 08:44PM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Star Wars can go **** it self

Wait, so they wrapped this up early for Star Wars? FFS, could HBO not throw money at them?

I’m really disappointed it’s finished and wasnt as disappointed with this series as others but that’s a load of bollox. I wish I didn’t ask TBH. Was just saying to my wife we’ve been watching this for nearly a decade and took for granted it was gonna get another season.

I binged watched breaking bad so didn’t feel the loss of that show like this.

topmanamillion · 20-05-2019 08:44PM

Ah people need to get over themselves.
It was a series finale of a fantasy series. The time for in depth story telling has long passed. It was all about wrapping up story lines and closing the series out.
I thought it did its job.

Everyone knew Dany was going to be killed. Jon Snow was favourite to do it.
I read a lot of fan theories that said Bran would become King. So it certainly didnt come as a surprise to some people. In fact it makes perfect sense to make him King. He has the memories of everyone that ever lived so he has endless wisdom.

As series finales of acclaimed TV Programmes go, its a long way off The Sopranos diabolical cut to black.

ScrubsfanChris · 20-05-2019 08:46PM

I think alot of people are expecting too much.
Not the greatest ending or final season ever ( that surely goes to breaking bad) but some.of what I've read on Twitter and here is a bit over the top in its vitriol.

It was a fitting end if not spectacular and I agree it felt mostly rushed, I still liked it.

Mokuba · 20-05-2019 08:46PM

What an embarrassment of a final episode.

How unlucky were Cersei and Jaime? If they stood 10 feet away they would have lived, judging from a lot of the room being free of rubble.
Sure were a lot of Dothraki and Unsullied around. They seem to regenerate further before every episode. Again, not really sure where these survivors were during The Long Night battle, considering the dead breached the castle walls and swarmed the remaining few living main characters within. According to Dan Benioff in episode 3 - "What they see is just the end of the Dothraki essentially". I guess the writers kinda forgot the Dothraki died.
I loved how Arya snuck up on Jon. I especially love how if she had done that to Cersei then there would have been no need for any bloodshed! Maybe if she told everyone at the war council in episode 4 that she intended to kill Cersei, as she confirmed in episode 5 - they could all have waited until she just used her assassin abilities and killed Cersei. Especially considering everyone is now aware of her abilities and she took out 1 target in a sea of more than 100,000 enemies with ease!
Arya with the hot take - "I know a killer when I see one". Wow Arya, what tipped you off, was it the biggest genocide in Westerosi history that everyone witnessed an hour or two before? Jon living up to his new found status as the biggest idiot on the show by repeating a variation on his only line - "She's everyones queen".
"I can't justify what happened, I won't try, but the war is over now" - Yet another character assassination by D&D. Jon Snow not overly bothered about genocide of innocents now, I guess. For him not to immediately see what she has become is utterly bizarre. "She's not her father" - no shes f*cking 500,000 times worse, give or take a few hundred thousand. "Cersei left her no choice"?!? What is this idiot talking about. Jon's whole defense of her in that scene is an absolute embarrassment. The fact that he actually has to be talked around into realising the truth is hilariously bad.
Not given any real reason why Dany burned the innocents except she's cRaZy and omg how couldn't you see all along. Yeah unfortunately still finding it hard to justify how she sacrificed everything for humanity in episode 3, and in episode 4 is straight up deranged. She saw the Red Keep so she burned 500,000 innocents. bUt sHeS ThE mAd QuEeN. :rolleyes:
Why are Tyrion and Jon still alive? Why wouldn't Greyworm have killed them immediately as he did the other prisoners? Why didn't the dothraki start killing everyone and everything immediately when Dany died. Why would they literally sit around and wait for months until everyone else arrived?
"Say another word about killing my brother and I'll cut your throat" - Already forgotten about the Hound peptalk last episode because Arya is back to being a badass. Threatening to murder the ruler of one of the 7 kingdoms is tight!
Davos telling the unsullied to start their own house. Might be the shortest lived house in the history of time seeing as they have no c*cks? Utterly hilarious that he would even suggest this.
Gendry should be King right? The now legitimate air of the last reasonable king?
The council scene is so tonally wrong considering what we saw just 5 minutes previously. "I'll ask my horse as well" - 5 minutes after the death of the main female character. Time for some LOLs after genocide, slitting the throats of surrendered soldiers, the Nuremburg Rally and some stabbing of our female heroine up until 2 episodes ago.
Bran Stark - "I'll never be a lord". "I'm not Bran, not really". Ok. Let's ignore those two quotes because the writers clearly ignore everything that they wrote before. This one is a complete disaster. So Tyrion seems pleased that Bran won't have an air - isn't that just asking for trouble at the next kingsmoot? Like how hard would it be for somebody tyrannical to take power - fairly f*cking easy. Then Bran says, "Why do you think I came all this way" - Implying he knew he would be king. So did he know about the genocide too? This should actually be the most horrifying revelation in the whole series. What a great king, just let 500,000 people die so he could gain power!
Why are all the lords of Westeros happy to vote Bran in based on a 1 minute monologue by Tyrion? This is a guy a lot of them either never met or never spoke to. They don't know about his powers or his past.
Why do Davos or Brienne even get a vote?
Sansa declares that the North will be independent. Lets back up there for one second. So because the North was independent for thousands of years they should be again.
HEY DORNISH PRINCE, are you awake over there?! Hey Prince NoName of Dorne, did you forget that Dorne was independent for far longer than the North? Seeing as people are just claiming independence you might want to speak up buddy! You have a far stronger claim to it than Sansa over there!
Hey Yara! Did you hear that, Sansa just declared the North independent. Remember when you were promised that by Dany? Remember how other promises that Dany made are being honored such as Gendry being a Lord now? Why aren't you declaring yourself independent? You only agreed to stop raping and pillaging if you got independence - so I presume you are just going to go back to that? Seeing as results from Aegon's conquest are being reversed, why not claim the Riverlands too!
Hey Robyn! Your cousin just declared herself independent, wouldn't you like that too?
Will this peace last even a week after Sansa's hilarious manoeuvre?
What about when the next king decides that they shouldn't have one random independent kingdom with no justification?
So Jon must take the Black, I guess you will just wait for Grey Worm to leave and then not do that? Especially considering they are going to Naath of all places.
Bronn as master of coin and ruler of anything is utterly preposterous.
Tyrion not being mentioned in the book is even more preposterous. The hand of 2 Kings and 1 Queen, one of whom he was found guilty of murdering, one of whom committed the worst atrocity in Westerosi history.
Why is Brienne on Bran's council? Wasn't she sworn to Sansa? Won't Sansa need a Queensguard as part of an independent kingdom? Seemed like a good job for a skilled knight who pledged themselves to you!
Grand Maester Sam? D&D do realise that it's the other Maesters and not the King who decides on the Grand Maester? Who in the conclave would have voted him in? All he did when he was at the citadel was clean ****. What utter nonsense.
Arya leaves to go exploring. The lone wolf dies but the pack survives. Wait, maybe that should be the other way around now.
Why do the Wildlings want to go back beyond the wall? It's a barren wasteland that they were trying to escape for centuries.

Can't wait for their take on Star Wars!

"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

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