"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

I'm speculating but I think there was always intention for 'magic' to disappear from Westeros. Children of Forest are gone, Whitewalkers gone, dragons gone and the end to Targaryen dynasty. It's the end of an era and Jon ending on the throne would be wrong for me.

Anyway I'm glad Dany didn't land on the throne. Even if she didn't go nuts anyone who thinks they have divine right to rule should never rule.

My biggest criticism of this season has been that it was handled so badly that when Dany died it was very meh

She had built herself up from nothing, from being her brother's pawn to being within touching distance of the throne - but due to a combination of piss poor pacing and clueless writing she ends up a nothing character. Maybe nothing character seems a bit harsh but her death was breezed over and made to feel irrelevant when she deserved so much more

GoT will remain one of the best shows I've ever seen with some characters that will live long in the memory: Joffrey, Ramsay, Theon, Davos and Jaime to name a few; but in the end it was rather like a firework - started with great tension and suspense and exploded into brilliance before petering out and fading away

On case it hasn't been posted, Tyrion's joke at the end (from reddit):

"I once brought a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel....”

Madame: What can we do for you? Tyrion: I need a woman to lay with, for mine has left me. Madame: Whatever for? And what's with the honeycomb and the mule? Tyrion: My woman found a genie in a bottle, and he granted her three wishes. The first was for a house fit for a queen, so he gave her this damn honeycomb. The second wish was that she have the nicest ass in all the land, so he gave her this damn donkey... Madame: And what about the third wish? Tyrion: Well... she asked the genie to make my cock hang down past my knee. Madame: Well that one's not so bad eh? Tyrion: Not so bad!? I used to be six foot three!!!

I’ve defended this Season and still think a huge, unthinking bandwagon has formed against it, but there was so much nonsense in that finale. Worse, it fell flat and failed to move me.

Tyrion was the son of arguably the most influential person in Westeros and infamously murdered him. He was Hand to one Queen and Two Kings. He was Master of Coin and commanded the defense of King’s Landing against Stannis’ assault. He survived two high profile trials by combat. He was roundly blamed for the murder of King Joffrey. He married Sansa Stark. He was at least present for and often a cog in most of the key episodes of Westero’s recent history. To think he would not feature in a book of that history is absurd, the thought that Sam is lying to preserve his feelings in the expectation that Tyrion, an obsessive reader and student of history, will not read the book is equally absurd.

The whole joke/contrivance made no sense.

Nor does presumably Tyrion making Bronn, one of the most overtly greedy and corrupted people in the story, Master of Coin. He is likely illiterate with zero experience of administration. I’m fine with him blagging his way into the Small Council (Master of War seems a better fit) and even the overlordship of The Reach but to have him as Master of Coin was lazy.

Davos, Sam (if we assume the Night’s Watch is defunct and Jon is heading North to reestablish it) and Brienne work well as Council members.

The reaction of the respawning Unsullied and Dothraki to Dany’s murder was far fetched. Why should Grey Worm care enough to help the Westerosi fix their continent? He was devoted only to Dany. A more logical ending would be him and the remainder of Dany’s foreign loyalists having a bitter battle with their former Westerosi allies led by Jon for KL after the death of Dany.

No way would they just meekly climb on ships and politely sail away after that betrayal. The Dothraki at the very least would have taken the opportunity to rampage through a weakened and hated country had they stayed true to character.

Instead, Grey Worm lets both Tyrion and Jon escape with a few harsh words and hard stares. The guy that was earlier murdering defenseless captives for doing their duty and resisting his Queen.

It was cool to see the Council reintroduce some long absent characters. But why did it allow itself to be led by Tyrion, a man viewed as treacherous by much of the Seven Kingdoms, dirty, in chains and pleading his own incompetence?

They all agreed on Bran readily, why? He has zero claim and few of them know anything about him. Jon has the strongest claim and is one of the most respected and popular figures in Westeros, and the only person capable of keeping the North in the Seven Kingdoms, but is not mooted as a possibility. Why do they want to avoid upsetting the remaining Targ forces so much? If it was felt Grey Worm held too much leverage to be defied (in fairness, he did have Jon in custody, KL occupied and, by some miracle, a strong force left) Gendry seems a much more logical compromise choice, having a claim and displaying good character.

Dany’s death just seemed sterile and inevitable to me, I felt nothing. Compared to other deaths in the series it was of low impact. Remember how gut wrenching it was to see Ned, Cat, Robb and others go?

Also, KL in generally seemed far too bustling and intact after The Bells, and the Red Keep in particular looked far healthier than the scenes of the last episode should have allowed.

Sansa’s ending was satisfying, Jon’s was nice but unsatisfying, Arya’s mildly silly.

In all a damp squib. It went out with a whimper. A timid, emotionless ending.

Still a magnificent series, taken as a whole.

Very disappointing ending to a great show. It looks like they are laying the ground for a follow up some years down the road.

drogon should have roasted jon

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IMDB (From Reddit)

The episode that saw Ramsey rape Sansa viewed through Theon's eyes got an 8.1. The episodes revolving around the capture the wight plan? 9.0 and 9.1.

I don't think that graphic proves what you think it does. If anything, it says that GoT fans moan a lot in the early stages of an episode being released but generally come around and like it. Episode 1 of this season was better than last week? Please.

In fairness to Emilia Clarke, she can definitely deliver a rousing speech in a fictional language.

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I think he got a good ending. He might be the rightful heir to the throne but he has no desire to rule and like Ned is completely out of his debt in court politics. I like that he's gone north to live with the Wildlings. He is respected by them and feels at home but doesn't have any pressure of ruling. Bran did him a favour sending him there. There really was no other place for him.

No.

No he didn't.

He got an shambolicly bad ending for his character arc (and its inferred and ultimately subverted trajectory).

He did practically nothing in Season 8 of note.

How these two sh1theads (D&D) put this crap together and thought it was good is beyond me..,