Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

tanko · 09-05-2019 6:53pm

RobinBanks wrote: »

I had a cow in standing heat around lunch time today. Looks to be gone off her now. Could I wait until morning to AI her or would it be to late.

Should still be ok.

RobinBanks · 09-05-2019 6:56pm

tanko wrote: »

Should still be ok.

Cheers Tanko. Was figuring you would be good man to ask.

tanko · 09-05-2019 7:14pm

A bit "too late" is better than a bit "too early" i find.
I'd Ai morning and evening but an odd time wouldnt get the cow in and she'd be done near 24 hours after standing heat and usually still hold.
The local Ai man around here reckons the reason for a lot of repeats is that they were done too soon.

Donegalforever · 09-05-2019 7:40pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

Saw on another thread that LM2014 Ewdenvale Ivor's days are done, hurted himself in the station supposedly....start stockpiling your straws now!!

He must have recovered or else Dovea still has straws,

An advertisement in a local newspaper this week, informs that Dovea has a new A.I. man in Inishowen, also promotes Ewendale Ivor (LM2014) and Knockmoyle Loki (CH4150).

Never wrestle with pigs · 09-05-2019 7:48pm

Perfect for the morning.

GiantPencil · 09-05-2019 8:10pm

Donegalforever wrote: »

He must have recovered or else Dovea still has straws,

An advertisement in a local newspaper this week, informs that Dovea has a new A.I. man in Inishowen, also promotes Ewendale Ivor (LM2014) and Knockmoyle Loki (CH4150).

I imagine they have thousands of straws off him so it'll be years before he's proper gone gone

RobinBanks · 09-05-2019 9:11pm

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Perfect for the morning.

That's good to know for again. I work off farm so I might be able to leave them a bit longer than I normally do

50HX · 09-05-2019 9:44pm

RobinBanks wrote: »

I had a cow in standing heat around lunch time today. Looks to be gone off her now. Could I wait until morning to AI her or would it be to late.

There is clear slime coming out of her at

I usually work off the 12-18 hrs after standing heat rule as best I can

A few hrs either side is not an issue

Early morning would be grand

tanko · 09-05-2019 10:18pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

I imagine they have thousands of straws off him so it'll be years before he's proper gone gone

I was talking to a Dovea rep today and he said that Ivor works best on cows with shape and muscle and if used on plain cows can result in plain enough calves.
Would people agree with this?

Baalbec10 · 10-05-2019 9:54am

Not in my opinion, had 8 calves off ivor this year to a mix of full continental and dairy cross and all well shaped calves, born tiny but 3 weeks in the shape starts to come. Serious bull to use on heifers especially

Baalbec10 · 10-05-2019 10:36am

Picture of ivor heifer calf off a hca x dairy cow, calf 3 weeks old

sonnybill · 10-05-2019 8:23pm

I have 4 TVR bull calves unassisted and they fine calves but he not even qualifying for BDGP and I’ll be penalised if I use him but great bull imo

squinn2912 · 11-05-2019 9:52pm

Hi has anyone on here ever used the blue bull
Auchenlay Hitman? I’d like some feedback, he was recommended for some big heifers and second calvers

Bigbird1 · 11-05-2019 10:41pm

Baalbec10 wrote: »

Not in my opinion, had 8 calves off ivor this year to a mix of full continental and dairy cross and all well shaped calves, born tiny but 3 weeks in the shape starts to come. Serious bull to use on heifers especially

Is he similar to EBY or better ?

Never wrestle with pigs · 11-05-2019 10:55pm

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Is he similar to EBY or better ?

Different type of bull. He's more muscled type of bull and handy size and eby is a less muscled bull with a bit more size. Both easy calving and sort of suit different cow types.

Donegalforever · 11-05-2019 11:01pm

Has anyone any experience of Dovea Limousin Bull - King LM4302

Bigbird1 · 12-05-2019 12:26am

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Different type of bull. He's more muscled type of bull and handy size and eby is a less muscled bull with a bit more size. Both easy calving and sort of suit different cow types.

Ok thanks. Eby cattle stay small from what iv seen

patsy_mccabe · 12-05-2019 9:24am

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Different type of bull. He's more muscled type of bull and handy size and eby is a less muscled bull with a bit more size. Both easy calving and sort of suit different cow types.

Is it not the other way around? EBY is bottom 10% on skeletal. LM2014 is around average (42% percentile).

High bike · 12-05-2019 11:47am

Anyone use wilodge joskins @ 12.8 c.d??

Never wrestle with pigs · 12-05-2019 5:53pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Is it not the other way around? EBY is bottom 10% on skeletal. LM2014 is around average (42% percentile).

Sorry you are right, night shift has the head fried lol.

Sugarbowl · 12-05-2019 5:59pm

I have a nice shorthorn X cow, really milky and rears a nice calf. Medium sized cow but narrow around the rear end. Any suggestions for a nice AI bull to use on her? She had 2 saler heifers the last 2 years but thinking of trying something different this year. eurogene is our AI company

Never wrestle with pigs · 12-05-2019 6:00pm

High bike wrote: »

Anyone use wilodge joskins @ 12.8 c.d??

I haven't, but I see a good few breeders giving out about his cd saying that he's not hard calved at all so hard to say. He looks a good bull but you'd want a fairly right cow feet and legs wise for him as his sire vantastic wasn't very good that way.

High bike · 12-05-2019 7:12pm

Was thinking about him but thr cd was putting me off,why were they upset if he was easier calved??

patsy_mccabe · 12-05-2019 7:47pm

High bike wrote: »

Was thinking about him but thr cd was putting me off,why were they upset if he was easier calved??

Any calves from him would have bad calving figures too, so harder to sell. Nearly 2,000 calvings and 8% were hard calved.

High bike · 12-05-2019 9:45pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Any calves from him would have bad calving figures too, so harder to sell. Nearly 2,000 calvings and 8% were hard calved.

He's not hard calved so at that rate Patsy if only 8% were hard,suppose a lot depends on the cow too

patsy_mccabe · 12-05-2019 9:55pm

High bike wrote: »

He's not hard calved so at that rate Patsy if only 8% were hard,suppose a lot depends on the cow too

Well, that puts him in the bottom 1% of Limousins.

charolais0153 · 13-05-2019 1:54pm

joskins is very hit and miss, ai man would always use mbp over him

patsy_mccabe · 15-05-2019 2:59pm

Anyone else get a 'Zootechnical Certificate' issued for an animal with the Limousin Society. This for a young bull calf just registered. Are these to replace the normal Pedigree certs?

Lady Haywire · 15-05-2019 3:25pm

Must be replacing them? Thought them very flimsy.

High bike · 15-05-2019 4:18pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Anyone else get a 'Zootechnical Certificate' issued for an animal with the Limousin Society. This for a young bull calf just registered. Are these to replace the normal Pedigree certs?

are they only for bulls..?

TPF2012 · 15-05-2019 4:25pm

patsy_mccabe wrote:

Anyone else get a 'Zootechnical Certificate' issued for an animal with the Limousin Society. This for a young bull calf just registered. Are these to replace the normal Pedigree certs?

Just something I was wondering, Can you register a calf as pedigree if it is from a commercial cow that is 87.5% purebred? So the calf will be 93.75 purebred. Or is there such a thing as that at all?

charolais0153 · 15-05-2019 5:26pm

TPF2012 wrote: »

Just something I was wondering, Can you register a calf as pedigree if it is from a commercial cow that is 87.5% purebred? So the calf will be 93.75 purebred. Or is there such a thing as that at all?

but its not purebred, pure bred is 100%,

patsy_mccabe · 15-05-2019 6:13pm

charolais0153 wrote: »

but its not purebred, pure bred is 100%,

Actually it's not. There was a bull in the roscrea Premier Limousin Bull Sale catalogue and the great grand mother wasn't purebred (see link below). I've seen a lot of it. I was surprised myself when I found this out. I think the animal has to be greater than 15/16 to be registered.

Have a look at this bulls pedigree and he's registered;
https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1605896799

charolais0153 · 15-05-2019 8:43pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Actually it's not. There was a bull in the roscrea Premier Limousin Bull Sale catalogue and the great grand mother wasn't purebred (see link below). I've seen a lot of it. I was surprised myself when I found this out. I think the animal has to be greater than 15/16 to be registered.

Have a look at this bulls pedigree and he's registered;
https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1605896799

thtas bull**** really, youd think the dam and sire have to be registered?

Hard Knocks · 15-05-2019 8:47pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Actually it's not. There was a bull in the roscrea Premier Limousin Bull Sale catalogue and the great grand mother wasn't purebred (see link below). I've seen a lot of it. I was surprised myself when I found this out. I think the animal has to be greater than 15/16 to be registered.

Have a look at this bulls pedigree and he's registered;
https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1605896799

Remember my father buying a calf to replace a dead calf she was 15/16 bred, seller said her calf would be purebred that couldn’t be registered

Lady Haywire · 15-05-2019 10:38pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Actually it's not. There was a bull in the roscrea Premier Limousin Bull Sale catalogue and the great grand mother wasn't purebred (see link below). I've seen a lot of it. I was surprised myself when I found this out. I think the animal has to be greater than 15/16 to be registered.

Have a look at this bulls pedigree and he's registered;
https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1605896799

That cow was born in 1985 though, weren't they were still upgrading some of the stock back then.

squinn2912 · 15-05-2019 11:03pm

Is it true that they talk about pure bred (you can grow into that) and full blood which traces back as far as back goes? I’ve read that somewhere

TPF2012 · 16-05-2019 12:05am

According to icbf, the great grand mother was 14 and half years old when she had the grandmother of that bull.

The grandmother was over 12 years when she had the Dam of the bull.
Good longevity in the breeding.

tanko · 17-05-2019 10:51pm

Has anyone used the Dovea CH bull Bivouac CH2218, any opinions on him?

Lady Haywire · 17-05-2019 10:57pm

My first set of twins were by him. Look framey, not muscley so would be good for bullocks or yearling heifers, not weanlings.
Then again, they're twins so my calves could be a bit shíte too :pac:

Millionaire only not · 17-05-2019 11:33pm

Feel sorry for the owner non the less , he seems genuinely sorry over the blunder

Never wrestle with pigs · 17-05-2019 11:39pm

Probably not the right thred so move it somewhere more appropriate if you want to miss, thanks. I have a pedigree Simmental cow that repeated a few times. Served again yesterday and the ai man said that she is a bit dirty. What do you do in this case? Get the vet to wash out? Or a jab of something? Could do with her going incalf shortly as she's lost time already and I should have took action sooner.

Millionaire only not · 17-05-2019 11:44pm

Ur right not the right place
A shot of prosgladin or wash out after ai
U should get her scanned to see what is going on when he comes to wash she maybe cystic

Never wrestle with pigs · 17-05-2019 11:50pm

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Ur right not the right place
A shot of prosgladin or wash out after ai
U should get her scanned to see what is going on when he comes to wash she maybe cystic

Scanned already and all good but he could have missed something. I think I'll get the vet to wash out and see from there.

Millionaire only not · 17-05-2019 11:56pm

There’s just some that will not go back
Time if u can afford it

adne · 18-05-2019 11:46am

Is she strong enough for bulling. 20 month ped. 460 ish kgs

adne · 18-05-2019 11:47am

Another pic

adne · 18-05-2019 11:48am

Pic2

grassroot1 · 18-05-2019 12:08pm

tanko wrote:

Has anyone used the Dovea CH bull Bivouac CH2218, any opinions on him?

Short gestation very easy calving not as shapy as fiston (but he is an exception)
Growthy calves though. Works well on my cows they wouldn't be as well bred as yours Tanko.Have bought 40 straws for this year if that tells you anything

tanko · 18-05-2019 12:08pm

Should be ideal at this stage. Is she not more like 500kgs?
Whats her breeding?

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