NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-05-2019 09:33AM

BarryM wrote: »

I only said she had a theory, I commented on it.

Why don't you leave this thread, or at least keep your non-relevant comments to yourself.

Take your own advice there champ.

medoc · 09-05-2019 09:35AM

It would have been so much more efficient if Eir had wanted the tender. Extending their rural FTTH network would have quickly and easily got houses connected. Then building out further and further from there. Bit ridiculous to run another 10 or 20 core fibre cable along poles from a town beside Eirs (mostly) under used cables. I’m lucky I’m on the Eir network but family down the road aren’t. Until the contract is signed it’s all just potentially another election promise.

Ten Pin · 09-05-2019 11:07AM

Naughten on Newstalk now

cregmon · 09-05-2019 11:25AM

Ten Pin wrote: »

Naughten on Newstalk now

Anyone know what quantum broadband is?

Update: If its this, then methinks we can safely go ahead with NBP for now
https://www.wired.com/story/quantum-internet-is-13-years-away-wait-whats-quantum-internet/

Johnboy1951 · 09-05-2019 11:25AM

Ten Pin wrote: »

Naughten on Newstalk now

I notice he keeps referring to ~€2 bn which is the hoped for cost of the gov subsidy, with the absolute max set at about €0.5 bn higher.

Orebro · 09-05-2019 12:10PM

As far as I can see in this case Robert Watt and his Dept know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

We voted in the Gov, not the civil servants.

The Cush · 09-05-2019 12:48PM

https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1125851850853507072

Classic example if this on Newstalk Breakfast this morning with Timmy Dooley, when asked if FF would withdraw support from government over this or if there was an election before the contract signing would they cancel the process, as you would expect he avoided answering the question.

Can you imagine the field day FG would have if FF withdrew support for the rollout of rural broadband. They are both now locked into this by the rural vote and no politician wants to face the electorate with a further delay on this.

I met my local FG candidate last week, before the cabinet decision on the NBP, I promised him my No. 1 if this got approved and no vote if it didn't. He said he'd have 24,000 votes if he could sort this out for all those who raised the issue with him.

gnf_ireland · 09-05-2019 12:50PM

Orebro wrote: »

As far as I can see in this case Robert Watt and his Dept know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

We voted in the Gov, not the civil servants.

I think there needs to be a little perspective put on this CAPITAL investment, in the context of the overall government spend. 2019 overall government expenditure will be 76.8bn. ~2 billion is pretty small over 25 years in comparison. Servicing the national debt is 5.5bn, Health is 17bn, Education 10.8bn. Hell child benefit (childrens allowance) alone is 2.1bn of a 20.8bn social welfare budget.
https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/2019/

While FTTP may be viewed as unnecessary to watch Netflix in 2018, in 2025-2030 will assisted healthcare and education become the new norm? Why should students have to travel to cities to attend lectures each day when they could access education remotely. Same with certain second level subjects and collaboration between schools. Healthcare will become a massive burden with an aging population is likely to require serious technology assistance to make it sustainable via wearable devices and patches etc.

And this is before we start talking about security and rural crime. Fibre will support ultra high definition cameras enabling much more sophisticated security systems.

Its a 25 year project with 25 years of costs included. I don't believe for a minute that in 2045 a fully connected fibre network does not generate substantial economic value for the country.

Headshot · 09-05-2019 12:51PM

Ya I must touch base with my FG candidate and give them my full support

gnf_ireland · 09-05-2019 12:59PM

The Cush wrote: »

https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1125851850853507072

Classic example if this on Newstalk Breakfast this morning with Timmy Dooley, when asked if FF would withdraw support from government over this or if there was an election before the contract signing would they cancel the process, as you would expect he avoided answering the question.

Can you imagine the field day FG would have if FF withdrew support for the rollout of rural broadband. They are both now locked into this by the rural vote and no politician wants to face the electorate with a further delay on this.

I met my local FG candidate last week, before the cabinet decision on the NBP, I promised him my No. 1 if this got approved and no vote if it didn't. He said he'd have 24,000 votes if he could sort this out for all those who raised the issue with him.

Absolutely agree. This is all political posturing from the opposition. They all know this is the only show in town and while they will use it to attack the government, they all will support it in the end. There is simply no alternative other than to abandon the project or remove 20% of houses from the project.
And before someone mentions low orbit satellites, I am not convinced it would provide anything close to what fibre can offer. I am open to be corrected though based on in-life examples rather than promises from Musk !

The Cush · 09-05-2019 01:02PM

gnf_ireland wrote: »

And before someone mentions low orbit satellites, I am not convinced it would provide anything close to what fibre can offer. I am open to be corrected though based on in-life examples rather than promises from Musk !

It can't, full stop. Nothing beats fibre for rural Ireland.

The Cush · 09-05-2019 01:13PM

Ten Pin wrote: »

Naughten on Newstalk now

Podcast here - https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/td-denis-naughten-national-broadband-plan

if this falters between now and the signing of the contract I don't honestly ever believe we will get high-speed broadband into rural Ireland. I believe for generations to come we'll be talking about hap-hazard services … a band-aid situation ...

Another good interview with him on with Sean Bolger's lapdog Ivan Yates on the evening of the cabinet announcement - https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-hard-shoulder/just-roads-came-electricity-broadband-will-now-delivered-every-townland-ireland-will-leave-lasting-legacy-throughout-country

Good, knowledgeable, common sense interviews, should still be Communications Minister, if only he'd kept DMcC at arms length.

Pique · 09-05-2019 02:13PM

Timmy Dooley trying to steal the thunder
Serious risk rural broadband may not happen - Fianna Fáil warn

theguzman · 09-05-2019 02:30PM

Pique wrote: »

Timmy Dooley trying to steal the thunder
Serious risk rural broadband may not happen - Fianna Fáil warn

As if a reason was needed not to vote for the FF Traitor party then it is Timmy Dooley, an incredibly dislikeable character if ever there was. His party looted the Irish treasury to the tune of €200bn and bailed out their corrupt Private Property Developers and lined their own pockets. The Fianna Fail Govt of 2002-2007-2011 should all have been tried for treason after what they did and then this prick tries lecturing the people about wasting money. Obviously Fianna Fail has some corrupt links to WISP and 5G otherwise they wouldn't be so fundamentally opposed to this common sense project. A vote for Fianna Fail is a vote for Corruption, Cronyism and Mass Theft.

ED E · 09-05-2019 02:34PM

The Cush wrote: »

Podcast here - https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/td-denis-naughten-national-broadband-plan

Contention on FTTC? Sure I guess we can't expect much better from Naughten.

Pique · 09-05-2019 02:44PM

ED E wrote: »

Contention on FTTC? Sure I guess we can't expect much better from Naughten.

I understood that to be if using wireless to connect. Naughton is well clued in on all this and his interviews in the last couple of days have reinforced this IMO.

celticbhoy27 · 09-05-2019 02:45PM

theguzman wrote: »

As if a reason was needed not to vote for the FF Traitor party then it is Timmy Dooley, an incredibly dislikeable character if ever there was. His party looted the Irish treasury to the tune of €200bn and bailed out their corrupt Private Property Developers and lined their own pockets. The Fianna Fail Govt of 2002-2007-2011 should all have been tried for treason after what they did and then this prick tries lecturing the people about wasting money. Obviously Fianna Fail has some corrupt links to WISP and 5G otherwise they wouldn't be so fundamentally opposed to this common sense project. A vote for Fianna Fail is a vote for Corruption, Cronyism and Mass Theft.

Talks alot but says nothing. He's basically questioning fine gaels intention to deliver but stopping short of saying he would pull the plug on it if empowered to do so. Either way, there'l be no vote for Fianna fail in this house. It's high time rural people were looked after.

The Cush · 09-05-2019 02:56PM

Pique wrote: »

I understood that to be if using wireless to connect. Naughton is well clued in on all this and his interviews in the last couple of days have reinforced this IMO.

He did make that particular boo-boo alright but overall he's well informed, after so may years dealing with this in the Department.

ED E · 09-05-2019 03:03PM

He got half way there with describing the limits of satellite at least.

Persiancowboy · 09-05-2019 03:05PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

If the contractor fails to live up to their side, the gov can, at various points in the scheme, step in and take ownership.
If the contractor works to the end of the 35 years and no longer wishes to continue, the gov have the option to purchase the fibre ... not that it would be worth much to anyone except Openeir IMO.
If the contractor goes bust during the roll out then what has been done reverts to state ownership.

In contracts of this nature the successful bidder is always obliged to lodge a very significant bond that can be retained by tenderer in the event of default or whatever. Can't believe NBP contract won't include such a provision.

listermint · 09-05-2019 04:28PM

Persiancowboy wrote: »

In contracts of this nature the successful bidder is always obliged to lodge a very significant bond that can be retained by tenderer in the event of default or whatever. Can't believe NBP contract won't include such a provision.

Any examples of such a bond in other Irish infrastructure

Ten Pin · 09-05-2019 04:49PM

Newstalk are fairly off the ball on technology details...

They went to the best and worst places for broadband...
Worst: Longford at 1.6Mbps

Best: Drimnagh at 72Mbps

His figure is long out of date for the best speed.

Yesterday around 5:30 a guy from a company called Host Ireland said that FWA is future proof and that fibre isn't. He said it twice.

Jess made a polite comment contradicting him but he pretty much got away with it unchallenged.

Ivan hadn't a breeze and couldn't challenge him either.

Pique · 09-05-2019 05:07PM

Ten Pin wrote: »

Newstalk are fairly off the ball on technology details...

They went to the best and worst places for broadband...
Worst: Longford at 1.6Mbps

Best: Drimnagh at 72Mbps

He said seventy two megabits per second (this was the reporter Barry White).

But it is megabit/sec remember.

Anyway, aside from that, I found the source. and it's from that bastion of technology, joe.ie, in 2016!

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/798434406339899392

AlmightyCushion · 09-05-2019 05:11PM

Pique wrote: »

But it is megabit/sec remember.

Anyway, aside from that, I found the source. and it's from that bastion of technology, joe.ie, in 2016!

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/798434406339899392

Or they took it from the source that Joe used for their article.

shanec1928 · 09-05-2019 05:16PM

listermint wrote: »

Any examples of such a bond in other Irish infrastructure

while may not be relevant , Construction bonds. An estate being built near to me has a 5 or 6 figure bond plus bonds on registered trees( or what ever the term is) lodged to the council.

Ten Pin · 09-05-2019 05:24PM

But it is megabit/sec remember.

Yes. But 72Mbps is fairly poor for Dublin when Virgin Media are selling 240Mbps and anyone with FTTH is getting minimum 150Mbps.

The point is he didn't do his research on the max speed which far exceeds 72.

wexfordman2 · 09-05-2019 05:50PM

Ten Pin wrote: »

Newstalk are fairly off the ball on technology details...

They went to the best and worst places for broadband...
Worst: Longford at 1.6Mbps

Best: Drimnagh at 72Mbps

His figure is long out of date for the best speed.

Yesterday around 5:30 a guy from a company called Host Ireland said that FWA is future proof and that fibre isn't. He said it twice.

Jess made a polite comment contradicting him but he pretty much got away with it unchallenged.

Ivan hadn't a breeze and couldn't challenge him either.

Newstalks coverage is very biased towards wireless imho, particularly Ivan, and i find it very frustrating hearing himself and PK let commnets away unchallenged on wireless/sattelite etc. They are professional broadcasters, its not much to expect them to be some way knowledgable on the subjects they are discussing.

The Cush · 09-05-2019 05:59PM

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Newstalks coverage is very biased towards wireless imho, particularly Ivan, and i find it very frustrating hearing himself and PK let commnets away unchallenged on wireless/sattelite etc. They are professional broadcasters, its not much to expect them to be some way knowledgable on the subjects they are discussing.

I find Pat Kenny to be way ahead of Ivan Yates on this, probably his engineering backround, prepared to listen unbiased to the interviewee, mentioned latency when someone texted in earlier in the week about Amazon's low earth orbiting satellites providing broadband as a national solution.

Johnboy1951 · 09-05-2019 06:08PM

The Cush wrote: »

I find Pat Kenny to be way ahead of Ivan Yates on this, probably his engineering backround, prepared to listen unbiased to the interviewee, mentioned latency when someone texted in earlier in the week about Amazon's low earth orbiting satellites providing broadband as a national solution.

Agree ..... now if he would only stop rabbiting on and ask the question and let the interviewee answer, I would find it easier to put up with him.

Heraldoffreeent · 09-05-2019 06:15PM

So current taxpayer exposure is 3 billion, total project cost is 5 Billion.....currently, according to Minister.

Exclusive of VAT also.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/broadband-cost-set-to-top-5bn-including-private-investment-1.3885560

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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