Do you want taller buildings in Ireland?

ctrl-alt-delete · 06-05-2019 04:20PM

Yes, nothing wrong with mixing the old with the modern.
However not too modern, there are some structures out there that will not age well.

I love the Old State House in Boston, even more when you consider it is also a station for an unbelievable underground transport system.

I think Dublin and the suburbs need high frequency high capacity public transport before a high rise skyline though.

fortwilliam · 06-05-2019 04:33PM

pablo128 wrote: »

How big is the car park?

The carpark is in the first 5 floors of the building,
There is a shared space with BBQ/Pool/Deck on the 9th which is used widely by the community of residences.

SEPT 23 1989 · 06-05-2019 04:54PM

Sure we tried living in big towers before and we all ended up hooked on heroin over it so we did

Sheeps · 06-05-2019 05:13PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Sure we tried living in big towers before and we all ended up hooked on heroin over it so we did

Yeah, those people ended up on heroin because the building was tall.

ToddyDoody · 06-05-2019 05:18PM

Build tall, yes, but ensure roofs blow off during a storm.

The Satanist · 06-05-2019 05:19PM

No because anything over 4 storeys will block out the sun for the entire country causing an ice age and certain death for everything forever.

kenmc · 06-05-2019 05:38PM

I would love to see nice high buildings in Ireland, but I don't trust our cowboy builders to do it right. There's just too many corners which are ripe for cutting, yielding even more money for their grubby little paws.

E.g. the fire safety issues in the development near grand canal basin, leaks in the blocks in beacon sandyford etc.

JustAThought · 06-05-2019 05:53PM

Remember the fire in Belmayne last year?

Or.the 'hotel' fire/infrerno in Ballymun that was a miracle noone was not incinerated in..

What about the hundreds of appartment owners quietly living in non compliant units that are deathtraps that the fire brigade and councils know about but don't organise to be repaired or the authorities who signed off on them and their substandard inspections made foot the bill.

Dublin fire brigade can barely manage what we have height wide today. They are sharing he high rise ladders between stations and having to race to stations to pick.the shared ladders up before then racing on to high rise fires beyond a certain height.

How about internal lifts that are not supposed to be used in case or fire. How will all these hundreds of families evacuate safely down stairwells?And what about the old, or children, or infirm?

And will Jonny Ronan be sending up his husband or son to rescue people from burning buildings 20 storeys high while thousands stream down the same stairs? Probably not.

Remember Grenfell Towers?

Its all about profit.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 06-05-2019 06:09PM

biko wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-city-hall-begins-talks-with-skyscraper-developers-821146.html

I really hope that gets built. The proposed Prism building next to the bus station looks really great as well. 15-storey Prism gets the go ahead.

The amount of new buildings in Cork is crazy. So many developments and cranes everywhere. It's great.

BeerWolf · 06-05-2019 06:15PM

What of the idea of having buildings go subterranean, down instead of up?

kravmaga · 06-05-2019 06:16PM

Sheeps wrote: »

In Dublin Johnny Ronan is planning a new 44 storey building down in the docklands, has launched a campaign trying to win public support for an additional 2 stories on to the sales force tower, will be pushing ahead at Tara Street for a 20 something storey tower. In Cork and Limerick similar battles for the skyline are being fought tooth and nail.

In one corner you have the architects and nimbys who fawn over georgian buildings, and the other corner you have profit lead developers who feign interest in solving the housing crisis, but are advantageously using this period to maximise profits.

Where do you stand on taller building up?

This subject has been already done to death, see Skyscrapercity website link for Ireland, October 6th 2017.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/radical-rethink-of-planning-system-means-more-highrise-developments-on-the-horizon-36201981.html

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=2034624

Guy:Incognito · 06-05-2019 06:18PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

What of the idea of having buildings go subterranean, down instead of up?

Who needs light at all. Everyone can be mole people.

Sheeps · 06-05-2019 07:38PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

What of the idea of having buildings go subterranean, down instead of up?

It's considerably more expensive, but a lot of them do. In Asia for example some basements are 14 stories beneath the ground level. It's more for commercial.

ILoveYourVibes · 06-05-2019 11:28PM

Yes build up (safely) not out.

We are really behind the rest of the world.

ChikiChiki · 06-05-2019 11:31PM

No debate. Anyone who doesn't want taller buildings in Ireland is an absolute tool. If you can't see the impact of such policy on the future of the country then more fool you.

The docklands should be full of high rise and the old city (current city centre) retained

ChikiChiki · 06-05-2019 11:40PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

It won't make property any more affordable.

Ladies and gents. Stupidity in a sentence.

Qrt · 06-05-2019 11:41PM

Depends on the location. I’m no fan of skyscrapers really, they’re very high maintenance and usually create odd socio-economic enclaves which yield ridiculous societal influence.

But I do like a nice six storey apartment block, especially ones which take in the views of parks etc. We need all the LAPs examined, SDCC have an arbitrary height limit of three storeys in the Fortunestown LAP, ie an area with the Luas Red Line travelling right down the middle. Thankfully ABP are ignoring them with their fast-track system.

Witchie · 07-05-2019 03:54AM

I live in Kuala Lumpur and think that it is time Dublin took a leaf out of its book and built up.

I think a few tall multi purpose buildings would be fantastic. You build a shopping mall on the first few floors, an office tower and a residential tower, possibly add in a hotel for the first few floors, giving people everything they need in one small footprint. Facilities like a gym and a pool, bars, restaurants and social spaces give people a quality of life.

I live in a one bed apartment on the 11th floor and have an almost Olympic sized pool, an indoor and outdoor gym, BBQ area, yoga studio, conference room, a restaurant, dentist and beauticians (don't have a full range of shops because am next door to a mall) all for €400 a month in an area equivalent to Ballsbridge. It's possible because there are loads of similar developments so it can be cheap to rent here.

I know economically there is no comparison but when I see my son and his gf pay almost €2000 a month for a 1bed in Rathmines, with no facilities, I wonder why anyone would want to stay in Dublin.

I would love to see Dublin have an area of skyscrapers on the edge of the city. I love how colourful the skyline is.

whisky_galore · 07-05-2019 03:59AM

biko wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-city-hall-begins-talks-with-skyscraper-developers-821146.html

Like a giant pleasuring device.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 07-05-2019 04:45AM

I live in Wellington which is roughly the same size as Cork, although it is the capital of New Zealand. If you combined it with Dublin, 9 of the tallest 10 buildings would be in Wellington.

There are 11 buildings in the Republic of Ireland that are above 50m tall, compared to 51 in Wellington alone, or well over 100 if you include Auckland and Christchurch.

We need to build up and not just in Dublin.

Ush1 · 07-05-2019 08:42AM

Qrt wrote: »

Depends on the location. I’m no fan of skyscrapers really, they’re very high maintenance and usually create odd socio-economic enclaves which yield ridiculous societal influence.

But I do like a nice six storey apartment block, especially ones which take in the views of parks etc. We need all the LAPs examined, SDCC have an arbitrary height limit of three storeys in the Fortunestown LAP, ie an area with the Luas Red Line travelling right down the middle. Thankfully ABP are ignoring them with their fast-track system.

High rise in the greater West Tallaght area, what could go wrong?

Increase density in the city centre before worrying about suburbs that are 17km out.

TheIrishGrover · 07-05-2019 09:07AM

Yeah, Dublin looks pretty shabby. Of course we don't wanna go down the american route but look at the European model. Old and new side by side. There are some blips - personally I don't like the gherkin in London. I think it would be better in Lisbon or Paris or somewhere. I just think that particular building style looks out of place in London. But I do love the shard.

Build 'em. Build 'em UP I say!

lawred2 · 07-05-2019 09:12AM

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Yeah, Dublin looks pretty shabby. Of course we don't wanna go down the american route but look at the European model. Old and new side by side. There are some blips - personally I don't like the gherkin in London. I think it would be better in Lisbon or Paris or somewhere. I just think that particular building style looks out of place in London. But I do love the shard.

Build 'em. Build 'em UP I say!

what's the American route?

IAMAMORON · 07-05-2019 09:21AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Many multiple homes taking up the same land. Of course it will.

It actually will not make it any cheaper. It will make it cheaper for developers to purchase smaller sites, but then you are their bitch. They will have the site price covered after 3 floors, the remaining 27 are pure profit.

Also hearing people associating the government with the housing crises. This is dross. No one in the government actually cares, at all. The only people interested are property entrepreneurs and maybe corrupt planning officials. The concept that anyone in government can solve the " issue " is nonsense.

It is only a political issue because it has leverage increasing a ministers' popularity if a minister can be seen to be addressing the problem. Hence votes. Name me one politician on the entire island who loses a minute of sleep over the housing crisis?

ted1 · 07-05-2019 09:22AM

The RCSI went down 4 or 5 floors underground fir their new building by St. Stephens green.

They get light through a central atrium.

http://www.surfasology.ie/portfolio-view/royal-college-surgeons-rcsi-basement-waterproofing-dublin/

Look it up

IAMAMORON · 07-05-2019 09:23AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Ladies and gents. Stupidity in a sentence.

You need to check yourself, your the one who has no clue. The higher the property the more expensive it will be.

lawred2 · 07-05-2019 09:32AM

ted1 wrote: »

The RCSI went down 4 or 5 floors underground fir their new building by St. Stephens green.

They get light through a central atrium.

http://www.surfasology.ie/portfolio-view/royal-college-surgeons-rcsi-basement-waterproofing-dublin/

Look it up

and that's very very costly

what's your point?

Dravokivich · 07-05-2019 09:40AM

It'll be either shoe boxes or slightly bigger shoe boxes. Theres little to no point in it.

In reference to someone mentioning the render reminded them of Chicago. I've been there a few times. While the tall buildings are a wonder to look at, coming from Dublin. The city has very little life in it outside of business hours.

Beechwoodspark · 07-05-2019 09:41AM

Should build the tallest building in the world overlooking the wild Atlantic way. Would be some tourism attraction

lawred2 · 07-05-2019 09:41AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Should build the tallest building in the world overlooking the wild Atlantic way. Would be some tourism attraction

make it 100% social housing as well

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