Do you want taller buildings in Ireland?

Sheeps · 06-05-2019 01:34PM #1

In Dublin Johnny Ronan is planning a new 44 storey building down in the docklands, has launched a campaign trying to win public support for an additional 2 stories on to the sales force tower, will be pushing ahead at Tara Street for a 20 something storey tower. In Cork and Limerick similar battles for the skyline are being fought tooth and nail.

In one corner you have the architects and nimbys who fawn over georgian buildings, and the other corner you have profit lead developers who feign interest in solving the housing crisis, but are advantageously using this period to maximise profits.

Where do you stand on taller building up?

Pissartist · 06-05-2019 01:36PM

We could build twin towers

mikhail · 06-05-2019 01:39PM

Dublin is pathetically flat for such a small city. Taller buildings, done right, mean better population density, which makes the city centre livlier, commuting on foot or bike more popular, and public transport more viable. Done wrong, it means Ballymun.

What's wrong with developers maximising profits anyway? Once they're not cutting corners to do it, let them eat their ****ing cake. It's the guys who skimp on the fire doors I'd like to see abandoned on Rockall with a canteen of water and a gun with one bullet.

Ursus Horribilis · 06-05-2019 01:42PM

Yes but it depends on how high and where.

jimmycrackcorm · 06-05-2019 01:43PM

Plenty of cities have a mix of an area that is high rise and low density other areas. I don't see why we can't do the same especially when it comes to utilising the Docklands.

Tell me how · 06-05-2019 01:44PM

Sheeps wrote: »

In Dublin Johnny Ronan is planning a new 44 storey building down in the docklands, has launched a campaign trying to win public support for an additional 2 stories on to the sales force tower, will be pushing ahead at Tara Street for a 20 something storey tower. In Cork and Limerick similar battles for the skyline are being fought tooth and nail.

In one corner you have the architects and nimbys who fawn over georgian buildings, and the other corner you have profit lead developers who feign interest in solving the housing crisis, but are advantageously using this period to maximise profits.

Where do you stand on taller building up?

I don't have a problem with taller buildings per se but I fear that we are not optimising the resources we have as a country.
I also think there are many areas (inside and outside Dublin) which are boarded up and yet we are clambering to build up rather than utilise buildings which exist. Are all the rooms on the upper floors of buildings along the quays being utilised as apartments currently for are they empty? If we go up, these buildings will continue to be left vacant and be eyesores on our streets.

Plus, it would be more sustainable to use what we have than use materials for new buildings time and again.

Sheeps · 06-05-2019 01:46PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Yes but it depends on how high and where.

I don't think anyone is proposing we build sky scrapers in Merrion Square, but most of the developments seem to be propping up in strategic development zones because they circumvent the council's housing plan for an area with a more common sense approach. Places like the IFSC, Ringsend, Cherrywood etc. These are new areas of Dublin that have been almost completely gentrified already, or brown field development wastelands that are just awaiting buildings.

It really kills me to say this, but it is one of the few things it would seem that Eoghan Murphy has got right in his time as minister.

06-05-2019 01:49PM

Voted Yes. But depends on an Algorithm which incorporates the property developer involved, his standing with the FF / FG Government, the developer's level of credibility in the media both print and online, the degree of the NIMBY factor, and of course a bit on how mCh social housing the developer has built in the past, with the backdrop of the housing crisis that FG seem to be loosing the fight.

Rubberchikken · 06-05-2019 01:51PM

yes.
protecting dublins so called historic skyline is a load of rubbish.
if it wants to be a capital city and provide jobs and housing it needs to get its head out of the sand and vopy successful cities thst can manage to have a skyline and still have buildings that peoole and businesses need otherwise it has to accept that it will remain a backward, old fashioned large town.

biko · 06-05-2019 01:52PM

The Obel tower is only 28 floors, and this guy wants a tower twice as high?

Sheeps · 06-05-2019 01:57PM

biko wrote: »

The Obel tower is only 28 floors, and this guy wants a tower twice as high?

The building he's proposing building is nicer looking than that. It will still be shorter than the poolbeg chimenys.

hmmm · 06-05-2019 02:02PM

Yes, but in the city centre where they belong. The docklands should probably be knocked and rebuilt with 10 stories minimum, we messed that one up badly. The idea of tall buildings going up in places like Cherrywood, while we have low density suburbs within walking distance of the city centre is crazy.

Your Face · 06-05-2019 02:30PM

Sheeps wrote: »

In one corner you have the architects and nimbys who fawn over georgian buildings, and the other corner you have profit lead developers who feign interest in solving the housing crisis, but are advantageously using this period to maximise profits.

I don't think these have to be in opposition.

branie2 · 06-05-2019 02:36PM

We have plenty of buildings already

Duane Dibbley · 06-05-2019 02:49PM

I would like Dublin City to be completely overhauled with tall office blocks and modern high rise apartments.

With the exception of some modern buildings, the city looks like a run down kip.

Del2005 · 06-05-2019 03:04PM

The choice is either up or out and since we have done out, people commuting several hours to get to Dublin!, we should try up so that people aren't commuting several hours to work.

People travelled several hours to work is not good for anything so the out building of Dublin can't continue therefore we need to go up for the environment and people. And companies that are choosing to base in Dublin won't go to anywhere else in Ireland. They are choosing between Dublin and other major cities, where Dublin is doing quite well even though its infrastructure is being hobbled by politics.

satguy · 06-05-2019 03:24PM

Dinny got a valuable phone licence with the help of his TD friends, and is now a Billionaire.
Surely we can turn a blind eye while some of our nice TD make Johnny a Billionaire.

Sure it has been set in motion some time ago,,, even a tribunal can't stop it now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/0201/849338-questions-raised-in-dail-about-johnny-ronan-nama/

Hector Savage · 06-05-2019 03:30PM

Sheeps wrote: »

The building he's proposing building is nicer looking than that. It will still be shorter than the poolbeg chimenys.

Where is this photo ?
Liverpool ?

Sheeps · 06-05-2019 03:31PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Where is this photo ?
Liverpool ?

That's the rendering of what the building will look like, down near the 3 arena in Dublin

06-05-2019 03:32PM

AH answer, yes please if there's the slightest possibility of the building's shadow cutting across me for a time during the day so I can claim €10ks or object.

A no brainer. Dublin houses costing bazilions, build up you say?

Hector Savage · 06-05-2019 03:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

AH answer, yes please if there's the slightest possibility of the building's shadow cutting across me for a time during the day so I can claim €10ks or object.

A no brainer. Dublin houses costing bazilions, build up you say?

It won't make property any more affordable.

06-05-2019 03:36PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

It won't make property any more affordable.

Many multiple homes taking up the same land. Of course it will.

fortwilliam · 06-05-2019 03:36PM

I’m living in the US at the moment, in a condo/apartment tower block,
43 floors, 38 of which are residential units x 12,
This brings 456 homes to a plot about the footprint of a woodies shop & carpark, or at my estimate an estate of 30-40 houses
We need to do this in Dublin.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 06-05-2019 03:48PM

Dublin has basically sprawled all the way out to Kildare. It's high time they start building up. 8 out of 10 Dubliner's are in support of taller buildings. Done right it could look amazing.

Battle for the Dublin skyline: Are you ready for Johnny Ronan's 'world class' hanging gardens?

I mean Cork had the two tallest buildings in Ireland up until last year. Despite having about a quarter of the population of Dublin.

WoollyRedHat · 06-05-2019 03:50PM

Sheeps wrote: »

That's the rendering of what the building will look like, down near the 3 arena in Dublin

That actually looks really well, got a Chicago vibe.

Billy86 · 06-05-2019 04:01PM

fortwilliam wrote: »

I’m living in the US at the moment, in a condo/apartment tower block,
43 floors, 38 of which are residential units x 12,
This brings 456 homes to a plot about the footprint of a woodies shop & carpark, or at my estimate an estate of 30-40 houses
We need to do this in Dublin.

Same here, even on 12 floors we have 226 units, so approx 500 people housed, in an area about the size of a goofball pitch.

There's a nice courtyard in the centre, though without it they could probably get another 100-150 units in to house around 800.

In Dublin, that would likely be taken up by old houses and small buildings, with maybe even under 100 people living in the whole space.

biko · 06-05-2019 04:02PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-city-hall-begins-talks-with-skyscraper-developers-821146.html

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Sheeps · 06-05-2019 04:02PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

That actually looks really well, got a Chicago vibe.

It actually reminds me a bit of some of the newer medium height buildings in Taipei the way they've incorporated the greenery in to it. Greenery when combined with high rise is amazing.

Dick phelan · 06-05-2019 04:07PM

Yes it's a joke the way Dublin is designed, i mean we don't need to be like Hong Kong or Shanghai but FFS nothing wrong with some high rise office and apartment blocks. People complain about the housing crisis, there isn't enough land in the Dublin area for everyone to have a house, nothing wrong with living in a nice apartment. People need to get the idea that a 4 bed house in Dublin is a must, it just ain't affordable and will never be for most.

pablo128 · 06-05-2019 04:14PM

fortwilliam wrote: »

I’m living in the US at the moment, in a condo/apartment tower block,
43 floors, 38 of which are residential units x 12,
This brings 456 homes to a plot about the footprint of a woodies shop & carpark, or at my estimate an estate of 30-40 houses
We need to do this in Dublin.

How big is the car park?

ted1 · 06-05-2019 04:19PM

Get about 300 acres in Meath. Build a mega city there with a subway direct to the airport and city centre. Sorted.

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