Rise of Vegetarian/Veganism

Johnnyhpipe wrote: »

From “bloggers” to billboards to PETA giving out to me for drinking milk and “taking babies away from their mothers”... I was in McDonalds earlier tucking into a big mac and a load of nuggets and saw their new ‘veggie happy meal’... When did this rise of veggie/veganism start? Why did it start?

Some people have tried to convince me to go vegetarian, or at least cut down on meat consumption. I haven’t heard a decent argument as to why I should apart from some doomsday videos on youtube..

Am I really a bad boy for eating meat? All sounds like a load of bollocks to me.

Im not vegetarian even but surely not killing innocent animals unnecessarily for your dinner is a convincing argument. I think you just dont want to believe there is a convincing argument

There is convincing health benefits
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324869.php

and there are convincing benefits for the environment if humans were to adapt vegetarian lifestyles, or even jusr reduce meat consumption

Anyway you are ironically the one making a thread about how annoying vegans are and apparently how much trouble they give you for eating meant, many similar threads have been made recently, and funnily enough Ive yet to see an after hours thread started by a vegetarian or vegan going out of their way to tell people off for eating animal products

RobertKK wrote: »

We need a campaign to stop lions, cheetahs, leopards and so on from eating the other animals. Those nature programs from places like the Serengeti are horror shows, and those crocodiles...

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Let's base our ethics and morality on wild animals

Unearthly wrote: »

Let's base our ethics and morality on wild animals

Let's base it on not bashing people for what they eat and the alleged supreme benefits of one form of diet over another!

Unearthly wrote: »

Nothing to do with the point I was making.

I was responding to a lowest common denominator argument that the likes of the Sun/Daily Mail/Piers Morgan use

With another comment of the same ilk?

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The only ones who get "bashed" are vegans and vegetarians for not eating animals!

Oh it really depends who you talk to. While I think the OP is a tad extreme those vegan posters are a very good example of this.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I actually think they serve a purpose. It might make people think twice about where they are getting their meat from and the horrific conditions factory animals put up with during their miserable existence.

They are about as effective as the ones that tell smokers to give up. I'm more inclined to think that more positive versions promoting such causes are better pitches.

is_that_so wrote: »

They are about as effective as the ones that tell smokers to give up. I'm more inclined to think that more positive versions promoting such causes are better pitches.

Which way do you propose? On today alone on boards I have been told.

- I am to lie about being a vegan as no one wants to know

- posters don't work

- activism on the street is not wanted

Not many options left but interested how to promote veganism while circumventing the above 3 ways

Unearthly wrote: »

Which way do you propose? On today alone on boards I have been told.

- I am to lie about being a vegan as no one wants to know

- posters don't work

- activism on the street is not wanted

Not many options left but interested how to promote veganism while circumventing the above 3 ways

Well don't promote it, just let people eat what they want

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Well don't promote it, just let people eat what they want

Indeed. My brother has bluntly told me to feck off and I respect that.

On the other hand people who show interest and want to know more then it's fair game

You'll have a hard time getting Irish people to give up their pork breakfast and reconstituted dutch factory chicken fillet rolls for lunch

is_that_so wrote: »

There are "convincing arguments" for anything you want to be convinced about. The innocent animal pitch is a an effort to guilt people into examining what they eat. It is is far more useful to everyone to point out the downsides. Food and what we eat is a choice. Not doing so well, for our body can have consequences as can the million and one other activities and events that we meet in our lives.
That last line suggests you're disappointed nobody has!

What do you mean 'pitch' ? They are innocent animals we breed and kill early on in their life to be slaughtered, no two ways about seeing this, we are ending their lives for our dinner when its completely unnecessary due to how many other types of nutritious plant foods available which could sustain our diets. Now Im not particularly against that aspect, circle of life and all that(though I do limit my meat intake for environmental and health reasons). But for god sake, I can recognise that its a convincing argument

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

People who get annoyed about the increasing popularity of vegetarianism/veganism are every bit as tiresome as militant vegans.

I quite agree. And that is pretty damned tiresome!

Having said which: how many times have any of you actually been personally upbraided by a militant vegan/vegetarian for enjoying a hamburger, or fish and chips, or a liver paté sandwich, or even a milk shake? Sure, you might see people on TV, only TOO delighted to be quoted, saying that dairy lovers are milksops or that burger munchers are destroying the planet, but are these really the sort of people you meet in real life? For the most part they are straw men, or women.

Personally I have been in a perfectly amicable "mixed marriage" for years. I eat meat; she doesn't, and our kids are split perfectly down the middle. One does; one never has.

More meat for the rest of us

wakka12 wrote: »

Im not vegetarian even but surely not killing innocent animals unnecessarily for your dinner is a convincing argument. I think you just dont want to believe there is a convincing argument.There is convincing health benefits
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324869.phpand there are convincing benefits for the environment if humans were to adapt vegetarian lifestyles, or even jusr reduce meat consumption. Anyway you are ironically the one making a thread about how annoying vegans are and apparently how much trouble they give you for eating meant, many similar threads have been made recently, and funnily enough Ive yet to see an after hours thread started by a vegetarian or vegan going out of their way to tell people off for eating animal products

What has the word "innocent' got to do with the eating of anything? Animals have eaten meat since the dawn of time. And yes humans are animals as well. And no its got nothing to do with slavery or murder. If you mean we should maintain high standards of animal welfare well I wholeheartedly agree btw.

That article you linked with has tons of plant based industry promotion and bias imo. The article you linked to even claims that ordinary meat is linked with cancer and thats bs. What the World health Organiastion does say is that - eating red meat has not been established as a cause of cancer. Eating rubbish ****e processed meats like all ****e foods can be bad for you. Meat as part of a balanced diet is a healthy whole food. And that does not need to be stated btw. You also find that alot of what's put out about the environment and farming is pure bs and misinformation.

Btw they've certainly been threads that were created just for that. In AH there was one called war on meat about how great the now discredited EAT Lancet report was and how we should all follow its advice. There was the one about a sheep being attacked which was hijacked to tell us we should all eat plant based diets. Then there the bs billboard marking all those out involved in food production as betrayers and abusers. You couldn't make this ****e up tbh. I've no problem with what anyone eats btw.

archer22 wrote: »

Its common, and the treatment of live exports when they arrive in the Middle East is beyond horrific.There was a programme about it on TG4 a few months ago, they showed some really stomach churning footage.

Thank you for proving my point.

How's that's supposed to be representative of Irish farmers / food producers :rolleyes:

Have you seen what happens to people who grow avocados under threat of the South American drug lords or the women in India who have their hands burned during the processing cashew nuts? Let's take extreme stories of bastards and examples of those who actually dont give a f***


Its common, and the treatment of people who provide these foodstuffs imported and eaten by people here ...

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/nov/02/cashew-nut-workers-pay-conditions-profits

https://www.theguardian.com/food/shortcuts/2018/dec/10/should-you-stop-eating-blood-avocados