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Rise of Vegetarian/Veganism

Johnnyhpipe

From “bloggers” to billboards to PETA giving out to me for drinking milk and “taking babies away from their mothers”... I was in McDonalds earlier tucking into a big mac and a load of nuggets and saw their new ‘veggie happy meal’... When did this rise of veggie/veganism start? Why did it start?

Some people have tried to convince me to go vegetarian, or at least cut down on meat consumption. I haven’t heard a decent argument as to why I should apart from some doomsday videos on youtube..

Am I really a bad boy for eating meat? All sounds like a load of bollocks to me.

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is_that_so

Unearthly wrote: »

Which way do you propose? On today alone on boards I have been told.

- I am to lie about being a vegan as no one wants to know

- posters don't work

- activism on the street is not wanted

Not many options left but interested how to promote veganism while circumventing the above 3 ways

It's really not up to me to offer you answers. People can choose to eat as they wish but they are not arbiters on any other person's food choices.

Thelonious Monk

Unearthly wrote: »

Which way do you propose? On today alone on boards I have been told.

- I am to lie about being a vegan as no one wants to know

- posters don't work

- activism on the street is not wanted

Not many options left but interested how to promote veganism while circumventing the above 3 ways

Well don't promote it, just let people eat what they want

is_that_so

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Nearly everyone used to smoke 40 years ago or so, not any more

And yet still stubbornly above 20%. Real way to success is to discourage people from starting in the first place.

Unearthly

is_that_so wrote: »

They are about as effective as the ones that tell smokers to give up. I'm more inclined to think that more positive versions promoting such causes are better pitches.

Which way do you propose? On today alone on boards I have been told.

- I am to lie about being a vegan as no one wants to know

- posters don't work

- activism on the street is not wanted

Not many options left but interested how to promote veganism while circumventing the above 3 ways

Thelonious Monk

is_that_so wrote: »

They are about as effective as the ones that tell smokers to give up. I'm more inclined to think that more positive versions promoting such causes are better pitches.

Nearly everyone used to smoke 40 years ago or so, not any more

is_that_so

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I actually think they serve a purpose. It might make people think twice about where they are getting their meat from and the horrific conditions factory animals put up with during their miserable existence.

They are about as effective as the ones that tell smokers to give up. I'm more inclined to think that more positive versions promoting such causes are better pitches.

Thelonious Monk

is_that_so wrote: »

Oh it really depends who you talk to. While I think the OP is a tad extreme those vegan posters are a very good example of this.

I actually think they serve a purpose. It might make people think twice about where they are getting their meat from and the horrific conditions factory animals put up with during their miserable existence.

is_that_so

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The only ones who get "bashed" are vegans and vegetarians for not eating animals!

Oh it really depends who you talk to. While I think the OP is a tad extreme those vegan posters are a very good example of this.

Thelonious Monk

is_that_so wrote: »

Let's base it on not bashing people for what they eat and the alleged supreme benefits of one form of diet over another!

The only ones who get "bashed" are vegans and vegetarians for not eating animals!

is_that_so

Unearthly wrote: »

Nothing to do with the point I was making.

I was responding to a lowest common denominator argument that the likes of the Sun/Daily Mail/Piers Morgan use

With another comment of the same ilk?

Unearthly

is_that_so wrote: »

Let's base it on not bashing people for what they eat and the alleged supreme benefits of one form of diet over another!

Nothing to do with the point I was making.

I was responding to a lowest common denominator argument that the likes of the Sun/Daily Mail/Piers Morgan use

is_that_so

Unearthly wrote: »

Let's base our ethics and morality on wild animals

Let's base it on not bashing people for what they eat and the alleged supreme benefits of one form of diet over another!

is_that_so

wakka12 wrote: »

Im not vegetarian even but surely not killing innocent animals unnecessarily for your dinner is a convincing argument. I think you just dont want to believe there is a convincing argument

There is convincing health benefits
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324869.php

and there are convincing benefits for the environment if humans were to adapt vegetarian lifestyles, or even jusr reduce meat consumption

Anyway you are ironically the one making a thread about how annoying vegans are and apparently how much trouble they give you for eating meant, many similar threads have been made recently, and funnily enough Ive yet to see an after hours thread started by a vegetarian or vegan going out of their way to tell people off for eating animal products

There are "convincing arguments" for anything you want to be convinced about. The innocent animal pitch is a an effort to guilt people into examining what they eat. It is is far more useful to everyone to point out the downsides. Food and what we eat is a choice. Not doing so well, for our body can have consequences as can the million and one other activities and events that we meet in our lives.
That last line suggests you're disappointed nobody has!

Unearthly

RobertKK wrote: »

We need a campaign to stop lions, cheetahs, leopards and so on from eating the other animals. Those nature programs from places like the Serengeti are horror shows, and those crocodiles...

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Let's base our ethics and morality on wild animals

RobertKK

We need a campaign to stop lions, cheetahs, leopards and so on from eating the other animals. Those nature programs from places like the Serengeti are horror shows, and those crocodiles...

Vegans who choose to have cats are killing birds and they need meat in their diet.

People can eat what they want but people who say they are stopping eating meat due to climate change but then eat foodstuffs imported from around the world to replace it are idiots.
If doing it for environmental reasons, restrict yourself to locally grown and produced to save on air miles/freight miles. Not my fault if your food turns out bland but at least it will be true to your principles.

wakka12

Johnnyhpipe wrote: »

From “bloggers” to billboards to PETA giving out to me for drinking milk and “taking babies away from their mothers”... I was in McDonalds earlier tucking into a big mac and a load of nuggets and saw their new ‘veggie happy meal’... When did this rise of veggie/veganism start? Why did it start?

Some people have tried to convince me to go vegetarian, or at least cut down on meat consumption. I haven’t heard a decent argument as to why I should apart from some doomsday videos on youtube..

Am I really a bad boy for eating meat? All sounds like a load of bollocks to me.

Im not vegetarian even but surely not killing innocent animals unnecessarily for your dinner is a convincing argument. I think you just dont want to believe there is a convincing argument

There is convincing health benefits
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324869.php

and there are convincing benefits for the environment if humans were to adapt vegetarian lifestyles, or even jusr reduce meat consumption

Anyway you are ironically the one making a thread about how annoying vegans are and apparently how much trouble they give you for eating meant, many similar threads have been made recently, and funnily enough Ive yet to see an after hours thread started by a vegetarian or vegan going out of their way to tell people off for eating animal products

fryup

^^^^^^^^^^

yes and they're so so, veggie is not really my bag man

got a bad dose of the sh!ts from one place

Still waters

fryup wrote: »

its our friends the new age hippies that have started this vegan craze...come down here to co clare there's veggie cafe's popping up all over the shop

did you try any of them

fryup

its our friends the new age hippies that have started this vegan craze...come down here to co clare there's veggie cafe's popping up all over the shop

JeffKenna

Pkiernan wrote: »

It's mostly the socially retarded and those on the lower end of the IQ scale that slag off veggies and vegans.

... And guff like that is why people don't like vegans.

Pkiernan

It's mostly the socially retarded and those on the lower end of the IQ scale that slag off veggies and vegans.

The Rape of Lucretia

Calories are calories, and we have to get them from something else that was alive.
The discrimination against plant based life, and bias in favour of the animal based one and not eating it, is blatantly unfair. Sure, grow more plants to eat them. What did they ever do to you to deserve that, vegans and veggies?
Odd also that it seems to be driven by young snowflakes, who usually flake out at the slightest him of discrimination.

[Deleted User]

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I've yet to encounter any of these annoying vegans. Are there any posting here?

Most on here seem OK, I'll give you an example of what I mean.

My missus is vegan for over 30 years and is a vet nurse.
When she announced on Facebook that she was marrying me, she was given a load of abuse in some groups from a small number of people in the U.S. who she helped with medical advice for their animals because I'm not vegan, so yeah they do exist, as for on here again most seem OK from what I've seen.
By the way if you think vet bills are high here you should see them in the U.S. but that's the same with all branches of medicine over there.

On the flip side in the last practice she worked in one particular farmer who owed the practice quite a substantial amount told the owner that he wouldn't go there anymore as long as they were employing "one of those yokes" as he described her. He was told that the final demand for payment was in the post and he could go **** right off.

Pac1Man

Johnnyhpipe wrote: »

Not sure about the endless masturbation and jumping on every young wan passing, i’m only wondering why veganism is becoming more popular..

That was an odd segway alright.

[Deleted User]

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’ve tried the vegan cheese. Tastes nothing like cheese. Like it’s not unpleasant, but calling it cheese is a real stretch of the imagination. And it was loaded with strange ingredients. I’m not sure that buying hugely processed vegan ‘cheese’ is much better for the animal or the environment than eating a lovely local cheese from Ireland. Not the mass produced stuff, but even that lovely buffalo mozzarella from Cork only costs 3 quid in aldi. Which is far cheaper than meat.

The missus would agree with you on the taste of most vegan cheeses, but not the Tesco own brand ones.

As being better for the animal, well they would be as their vegan. The fact they are processed foods yeah can understand that aspect, but for her they are a once in a while treat.

Environmental issues again agree with you, but plenty of threads on here discussing both sides of the affects of farming I see it as a two way street and it's about levels of consumption.

con___manx1

Even people kill animals when they are eating vegtables. Insects die from the pesticides. Then birds die from lack of insects and then then the birds predators will die from lack of birds. Earthworms sometimes die when carrots are being pulled from the ground ðŸ˜‚
a glass of water is a fishes house dont ever forget that.

I have actually tried to cut down on meat myself. Im not a vegetarian but I respect people who are. I think veganism is a step to far tho.

Thelonious Monk

I've yet to encounter any of these annoying vegans. Are there any posting here?

[Deleted User]

Still waters wrote: »

It's amusing to read the farmers on the farming forum complaining about the rise in vegetarians, youd think they were dependent on every human alive eating 3 steaks a day when in reality blaming the few vegetarians for their problems is like blaming a turf fire in connemara on global warming

In truth we would probably all be a lot healthier if we cut down the amount of meat and ate more veg and fruit

Farming a small farm here so I'm all for more money for meat but I don't see a healthy future in the mass production of animals for the slaughter houses

You'll probably find the same posters in AH going on about social welfare etc, also get some funny stuff sometimes like how they would accept a gay in their locality before they would accept a vegan.

Same as there are plenty of annoying vegans online and some true assholes looking down anyone who isn't vegan, or vegans who don't live up to their standards.

Both sides have their share of idiots.

JohnnyFlash

DubInMeath wrote: »

Mate of mine is vegan and lived in France for years and cheese as he put it was the hardest thing to give up, my missus is vegan also and she said the same thing.

Tesco are doing a range of vegan cheeses now and they taste like actual dairy based cheese from any reports I've heard, both from them and our other friends who aren't vegetarian/vegan. Can't personally vouch for them as I don't like cheese anyway.

I’ve tried the vegan cheese. Tastes nothing like cheese. Like it’s not unpleasant, but calling it cheese is a real stretch of the imagination. And it was loaded with strange ingredients. I’m not sure that buying hugely processed vegan ‘cheese’ is much better for the animal or the environment than eating a lovely local cheese from Ireland. Not the mass produced stuff, but even that lovely buffalo mozzarella from Cork only costs 3 quid in aldi. Which is far cheaper than meat.

gozunda

Brendan Delaney wrote: »

We must go vegan to save the world!

Share this message with five other people or else Greta Thunberg will appear in your room tonight and kill you.

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