Avengers: Endgame [ SPOILERS FROM POST 613 ]

Necro · 01-05-2019 10:58AM

megaten wrote:

Your thinking to hard when it comes to time travel. They movie goes out of its way to say don't worry about paradox's.

I guess that's my problem:pac:
If you introduce the idea of paradoxes then you can't arbitrarily tell the viewers to ignore them imo anyways.

megaten · 01-05-2019 11:00AM

Necro wrote: »

I guess that's my problem:pac:
If you introduce the idea of paradoxes then you can't arbitrarily tell the viewers to ignore them imo anyways.

They don't introduce the idea of paradox's though?

Zubeneschamali · 01-05-2019 11:16AM

megaten wrote: »

They movie goes out of its way to say don't worry about paradox's.

No, they explain (badly) that with the version of time travel they discover, there can never be any paradoxes.

The apparent loops in the movie (Steve on the bench and Tony's dad's favorite saying) have to be explained off-screen somehow. (The real explanation being the writers forgot which version of time travel they were using).

Zubeneschamali · 01-05-2019 11:18AM

megaten wrote: »

They don't introduce the idea of paradox's though?

Prof. Hulk says that you cannot change your present by going to the past, so no paradoxes.

Acosta · 01-05-2019 12:05PM

megaten wrote: »

I mean not really? Your basically kidnapping a different version of them. They're not really the same person you knew. Gamora attacks Star Lord the minute he touchers her because they have no history together.

These last two Avengers movies have kind of messed up the Guardians trilogy a bit. I only care as I think the first two are by far and away the best MCU movies. I would have liked if James Gunn had written Endgame.

I enjoyed Endgame, but I do really need to see it again before giving a final judgement. The sound wasn't great in there and first 45 minutes I was distracted by the guy sitting next to me eating popcorn like his life depended on it.

It felt a bit long. I think they could have shaved 20 minutes of so off it. Infinity War seemed more focused and sure of itself. Overall a better movie I think. As was the first Avengers movie.
I don't like the latest version of Hulk and I don't think Chris Hemsworth is as funny a comedy actor as the writers of this and the last Thor movie think he is.

As I'm sure many others did I pretty much predicted who was going to die in this walking out of seeing Infinity War. I liked Captain Americas happy ending though. That was quite nice.
All the time travel stuff was confusing and I generally like that kind of thing.

Overall a good end to a mostly brilliant run of movies over many years.

razorblunt · 01-05-2019 05:28PM

Just saw it. I’m not a massive fan of avengers, I like them as cinematic events but have no emotional attachment to it. I liked many of the stand alone movies though.

Nice way to close the whole thing but felt like it was missing something from being perfect

- underpowering Thor for lols, I thought his PTSD story would have been interesting but they went down the “lol he has moobs” line
- Paltrow in general is appalling, when did she get a suit?
- Banner Hulk was weird
- Hawkeye and Black Widow pulling a gun and arrow in an immortal entity then the former surviving a battle with thanos’ crowd
- I think they missed a perfect ending for Captain America by having him walk back into the bar at the arranged time
- the girl power scene was just a face palm
- Bucky not getting the shield was a strange choice
- GoT got criticised for plot armour but jeez there’s some dead weight hanging around after the last battle

I really enjoyed Ant Man though I felt he lifted it when he came along and it was clever in the most part. I really enjoyed the stone gathering scenes too.

Victor · 01-05-2019 05:46PM

razorblunt wrote: »

- Paltrow in general is appalling, when did she get a suit?

When Tony finds his daughter with the helmet in the garden, there is a comment about him wanting Pepper to do things in the bedroom.

FutureGuy · 01-05-2019 05:56PM

Great movie but that all-female superhero scene was pathetic. The number of people in the cinema that groaned when it happened was very noticeable.

Mitch Connor · 01-05-2019 06:51PM

I seemed Tony had stopped being iron man, so I felt it odd he built a suit for pepper.

RickBlaine · 01-05-2019 07:58PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

Great movie but that all-female superhero scene was pathetic. The number of people in the cinema that groaned when it happened was very noticeable.

The idea was fine but the execution was poor. All of them lining up like that felt very contrived. And Captain Marvel just flew through that giant metal spaceship twice. She didn't need any help going a few kilometers through a bunch of infantry aliens.

A better way would have been a one shot of the camera swooping around the battlefield and showing each of the heroines in action, like that shot during the battle of New York in The Avengers.

JP Liz V1 · 01-05-2019 08:51PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

6 days in and it is the 10th biggest grossing film of all time.

I thought it would be 1st by now, what is?

I don't know why Pepper had to suit up

Foxtrol · 01-05-2019 09:10PM

RickBlaine wrote: »

The idea was fine but the execution was poor. All of them lining up like that felt very contrived. And Captain Marvel just flew through that giant metal spaceship twice. She didn't need any help going a few kilometers through a bunch of infantry aliens.

A better way would have been a one shot of the camera swooping around the battlefield and showing each of the heroines in action, like that shot during the battle of New York in The Avengers.

The Avengers scene in NY involves them all off doing their individual Avenger thing, across several blocks and height levels, only to converge in one small circle for no apparent reason, including a completely uncontrollable Hulk. That shot gets a complete pass from everybody, as it is incredibly iconic, but is just as contrived. I still contend that if that was any other group in Endgame converging together it wouldn’t get a tiny percent of the focus this has.

Slydice · 01-05-2019 09:20PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought it would be 1st by now, what is?

I don't know why Pepper had to suit up

By Amount (worldwide):
Avatar is 1st at $2,788 million
Endgame currently 8th at $1,481 million
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

Another take on earnings are the ones which are inflation adjusted.
I only know of the US Box Office inflation adjusted on boxofficemojo.

US Box Office - inflation adjusted
Gone with the Wind is 1st at $1,822 million
Endgame currently 121th at $427 million
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

I saw Grace do a video recently and I don't know where she got the figure but she had a Worldwide inflation adjusted for Gone with the Wind at somewhere around $3,800 million.

JP Liz V1 · 01-05-2019 09:21PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Anyone else think RDJ really didn't look healthy in the film?

Yes I thought that also, hope he is ok

RDJ was epic as Iron Man and to think no one wanted him as Tony Stark

Piss Ant

Scott Laing was the true hero, his plan worked

Slydice · 01-05-2019 09:22PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Piss Ant Scott Laing was the true hero, his plan worked

*muffled whimpers of Dr Strange fans in the distance*

RickBlaine · 01-05-2019 09:27PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

The Avengers scene in NY involves them all off doing their individual Avenger thing, across several blocks and height levels, only to converge in one small circle for no apparent reason, including a completely uncontrollable Hulk. That shot gets a complete pass from everybody, as it is incredibly iconic, but is just as contrived. I still contend that if that was any other group in Endgame converging together it wouldn’t get a tiny percent of the focus this has.

I'm pretty sure the shot I'm talking about takes place after the iconic circle shot. They didn't all converge after the single take shot.

Hulk was in the circle shot because Banner arrived on his motorcycle to the group and became the Hulk just seconds before the shot by punching that giant flying creature thing.

JP Liz V1 · 01-05-2019 09:34PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

The dude is 53 and had a fairly hard early life with all the drugs etc.

I actually think he looks alright considering his age, not Paul Rudd levels of alright, but decent for a man approaching his mid 50's

I think RDJ is very sexy and with all these movies he must be rolling in the money, how much did he make from this one alone?

Guy:Incognito · 01-05-2019 10:49PM

Victor wrote: »

When Tony finds his daughter with the helmet in the garden, there is a comment about him wanting Pepper to do things in the bedroom.

And also 6 years ago in IM3.

The stage was set for it.

Or further back in the comics........

Guy:Incognito · 01-05-2019 10:52PM

Slydice wrote: »

By Amount (worldwide):
Titanic is 1st at $2,788 million
.

Avatar

Looking at the figures, I'd have assumed a relatively standard split , percentage wise , between US and overseas box offices. But the top US movie , the force awakens , did nearly 200m more than Avatar in the US , but only took in 50% of its overseas total.

Slydice · 01-05-2019 11:09PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Avatar
Looking at the figures, I'd have assumed a relatively standard split , percentage wise , between US and overseas box offices. But the top US movie , the force awakens , did nearly 200m more than Avatar in the US , but only took in 50% of its overseas total.

awe crap, I'm going blind! post edited!

:o:o

Patser · 02-05-2019 12:59AM

Slydice wrote: »

*muffled whimpers of Dr Strange fans in the distance*

And to think Thanos was thwarted because a rat managed to accidentally active Antmans shrink machine in the back of a van. The whole plan starts because of that, a rat, that somehow keys in the correct instructions into a 5 year defunct panel in a van.

And Strange foresaw that.

demanufactured · 02-05-2019 06:02AM

demanufactured wrote: »

Well that was.......FOOKING AWESOME!!!

And it was again the second time round last night.

spacecoyote · 02-05-2019 09:22AM

Saw the movie last night & was on the whole, happy with the tie-ups.

Quick question (apologies if it has been covered already, cant go back reading a 100 page thread):

What's the story with Loki, the fact that he managed to swipe the teseract & disappear, does that potentially open up a timeline with him still alive?

Zubeneschamali · 02-05-2019 09:27AM

spacecoyote wrote: »

What's the story with Loki, the fact that he managed to swipe the teseract & disappear, does that potentially open up a timeline with him still alive?

Yes, but it's a separate universe, so events since 2012 in his TV show can play out differently than in the MCU.

Ethereal Cereal · 02-05-2019 10:54AM

Patser wrote: »

And to think Thanos was thwarted because a rat managed to accidentally active Antmans shrink machine in the back of a van. The whole plan starts because of that, a rat, that somehow keys in the correct instructions into a 5 year defunct panel in a van.

And Strange foresaw that.

Yea, tbf, the rat is a coincidence, but that is after 5 years have passed. Its not too contrived to think that over the course of 5 years, something would happen to activate a powered control panel.

Penn · 02-05-2019 10:59AM

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

Yea, tbf, the rat is a coincidence, but that is after 5 years have passed. Its not too contrived to think that over the course of 5 years, something would happen to activate a powered control panel.

I do think they might have been better going another route with it though, like a guy is looking for parts for his similar van, storage locker guy lets him have a look at Scott's van, guy hits a button by accident and frees Scott.

Something like that might have worked a bit better. Don't think it majorly affects things either way though.

rossie1977 · 02-05-2019 11:17AM

Necro wrote: »

Doesn't the whole 'Black Widow is dead, that's it' point in that interview fall down with Gamora now running around alive and well?

As someone said they can literally grab a Black Widow from any point in time and bring her back to current day.

It's why the whole reverse snap thing to me seems a cop out to bring back a load of people who were dramatically killed at the end of IW.

If they really had to go that way would it not have been better to have Thanos still in possession of the stones in present day rather than destroying them 'just cos'.

Yeah they shouldn't have brought Gamora back, you just have people like us across the world saying well grab BW and Tony Stark from earlier timeline

With Thor joining GOTG he was perfect replacement anyway.

Ethereal Cereal · 02-05-2019 11:24AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

The Avengers scene in NY involves them all off doing their individual Avenger thing, across several blocks and height levels, only to converge in one small circle for no apparent reason, including a completely uncontrollable Hulk. That shot gets a complete pass from everybody, as it is incredibly iconic, but is just as contrived. I still contend that if that was any other group in Endgame converging together it wouldn’t get a tiny percent of the focus this has.

I agree, that scene has got a disproportionate amount of attention. As a scene, I think it is a bit cringy, but it is worth the cringe if younger girls can see a collective of current female superhero's together.

However.... I do think overall the movie has very poor female representation.

Off the top of my head
- Shuri, a popular breakout character from black panther, was not seen in the battle at all.
- Wasp, the only female superhero with a name check in a movie title, had no scene's in the final battle.
- Black Widow is on administrative duties at the start of the movie, chairing meetings between various characters.
- Black Widow threw herself off the side of a cliff in service to Clint and the other male member of the Avengers. That character in particular has had an awful run of it over the last few movies.
- Captain Marvel has the Storm Breaker Axe flown within an inch of her head, before Thor says "I like this one". And this scene was heavily used to promote the movie.
- Captain Marvel is relegated to transporting male characters at the start of the movie and then being removed from the movie until the final act.
- Future Nebula kills her own past self.

And I think this is down the the Russo brothers. Marvel Entertainment do seem somewhat active in positive female representation, with "AntMan and the Wasp" and "Black Panther". This seems to be a conscious decision by the movie writers and directors.

This is one of the biggest movies of the past decade, in this day and age, to create a movie that is that much of a disservice to half of the population is a bold move.

02-05-2019 11:40AM

Ethereal Cereal wrote:

Off the top of my head - Shuri, a popular breakout character from black panther, was not seen in the battle at all. - Wasp, the only female superhero with a name check in a movie title, had no scene's in the final battle. - Black Widow is on administrative duties at the start of the movie, chairing meetings between various characters. - Black Widow threw herself off the side of a cliff in service to Clint and the other male member of the Avengers. That character in particular has had an awful run of it over the last few movies. - Captain Marvel has the Storm Breaker Axe flown within an inch of her head, before Thor says "I like this one". And this scene was heavily used to promote the movie. - Captain Marvel is relegated to transporting male characters at the start of the movie and then being removed from the movie until the final act. - Future Nebula kills her own past self.

Ah come on!!

Uncharted · 02-05-2019 11:53AM

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

This is one of the biggest movies of the past decade, in this day and age, to create a movie that is that much of a disservice to half of the population is a bold move.

I'm embarrassed on your behalf.

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Avengers: Endgame [ SPOILERS FROM POST 613 ]