"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 3 "The Long Night" - Spoilers post 2 forwa

killbillvol2 · 29-04-2019 11:45PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I actually said it to my gf more then once half joking before there gonna do something ridiculous and have super ninja Arya kill the Night King or similar bull**** but Jesus i never taught they would actually go threw with it!!

To say i was so pissed off when it happened would be an understatement :pac:

Just cant defend the bull**** of her just managing to dodge every ****ing one of the white walkers a big group of wights and the Night king himself!!! without one of them coming across her before she got to him.

Even then you would kinda a little bit okay with it if she fails at the very last second as it looked like was going to be the case but no more bull****. Catching the dagger and stabbing him just pure cheese and a ****ing pathetic way to end the story of the Night King the guy whos army have being built up since the very start of the show as the biggest threat to everyone and to there survival. A ****ing huge dragon blasting flames all over him doesn't even make him move but no poxy Arya Stark and her blade bring him down....

I have defended any minor and potential plot holes in this show because i love it and it usually always pays you back for any little downfalls it produces but this ****e will leave a major shadow over the entire series for me anyway when its all said and done.

Three episodes left i just hope something can make up for this.

So a trained assassin, probably the most lethal individual in the show is responsible for the biggest kill and it surprises you? Despite the number of hints that she would play a role in major deaths. Despite her ability to kill the whole Frey clan. Despite her ability to fight in the dark. Despite her ability to change appearance. Despite two scenes in this season alone where her fighting skills are looked at in amazement by others.

The only question for me as the Night King approached was which direction she'd come at him to kill him. And it was always going to be clean and quick.

How Soon Is Now · 29-04-2019 11:47PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

My take is Bran knew what was going to happen but couldn't say anything so it'd play out like it's supposed to. Telling someone may **** that plan and they could lose their chance to defeat the NK.

Ya more then likely Bran knows everything since day one but still it doesn't change how it all went down and how awful that scene at the end is!!

Whoever finally kills The Night King and wipes out his entire army that scene should be one you will rank up there as the best in the entire show ffs!!

What did we get though? Arya Stark leap out of no where and save the day in the most cringe way possible.

Everytime i think about it now and im sure im not the only one im gonna think oh god why......

B_ecke_r · 29-04-2019 11:49PM

What did the NK actually want with Bran?

B_ecke_r · 29-04-2019 11:49PM

What did the NK actually want with Bran?

nix · 29-04-2019 11:49PM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Real terminator 2 stuff

Yeah the music was a bit too much like the T-1000 stalking track, kinda half expecting the start of the next episode will be the night king to doing an aul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq5ydeWWr4A

biggebruv · 29-04-2019 11:53PM

Any one remember last season finale where the creepy dude from kings landing picked up the zombie hand and gave it a look like “mmmm I gonna do experiments with this”

Wonder if he’s making something creepy like the mountain

major bill · 29-04-2019 11:54PM

Does the NK not have the same powers as the 3 eyed raven that he can see into the future??

Was a bit of an easy kill for Ayra in the end! Seemed a bit careless from the NK

Sardonicat · 29-04-2019 11:55PM

B_ecke_r wrote: »

What did the NK actually want with Bran?

A bit of roughage in his diet?

GSPfan · 29-04-2019 11:55PM

killbillvol2 wrote: »

So a trained assassin, probably the most lethal individual in the show is responsible for the biggest kill and it surprises you? Despite the number of hints that she would play a role in major deaths. Despite her ability to kill the whole Frey clan. Despite her ability to fight in the dark. Despite her ability to change appearance. Despite two scenes in this season alone where her fighting skills are looked at in amazement by others.

The only question for me as the Night King approached was which direction she'd come at him to kill him. And it was always going to be clean and quick.

Ah see this is silly because if we take this logic then Arya get on your bike down to Kings Landing and kill Cersei will you. The whole show can be wrapped up in ten minutes in the next episode because Arya can literally kill anyone because she has training.

The reason people might be surprised it was Arya is because she has had zero involvement with the Night King arc. It’s the equivalent of Sam killing Cersei in the end by hitting her with a book. We knew he loved books so it was obvious.

kunst nugget · 29-04-2019 11:55PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Whoever finally kills The Night King and wipes out his entire army that scene should be one you will rank up there as the best in the entire show ffs!!

What did we get though? Arya Stark leap out of no where and save the day in the most cringe way possible.

Everytime i think about it now and im sure im not the only one im gonna think oh god why......

Different horses for different courses and all that but I thought the scene was epic. I've always liked her character and I was sure she was for the chop after getting the ride last week.

kunst nugget · 29-04-2019 11:55PM

Double post

Drumpot · 29-04-2019 11:56PM

Ha, delighted Arya the sneaky Noone faced assasin killed the night king. I thought bran was gonna do some Magic’s stuff or he wanted to he killed but that was class.

Loved that episode, it was just non stop. Myself and my wife both went “F*cking hell” right after it ended!

How Soon Is Now · 29-04-2019 11:56PM

killbillvol2 wrote: »

So a trained assassin, probably the most lethal individual in the show is responsible for the biggest kill and it surprises you? Despite the number of hints that she would play a role in major deaths. Despite her ability to kill the whole Frey clan. Despite her ability to fight in the dark. Despite her ability to change appearance. Despite two scenes in this season alone where her fighting skills are looked at in amazement by others.

The only question for me as the Night King approached was which direction she'd come at him to kill him. And it was always going to be clean and quick.

You either love her or hate her there is no in between with her character. She has had so many out there stories in the show the only strong point was her being with The Hound other then that the rest was at times cringe and incredibly over done to the point yes it was very much so boarding on fan service.

Shes not the only character they have done this with but i really cant believe they actually done what they did. Its not shock wow thats crazy its shock wtf why.....

I never took what they done with her character that seriously because i figured she would just be a strong member of the Starks who went threw a crazy story and would end up maybe having a nice ending but this..... Im sorry but no ffs.

Mokuba · 29-04-2019 11:56PM

GSPfan wrote: »

Ah see this is silly because if we take this logic then Arya get on your bike down to Kings Landing and kill Cersei will you. The whole show can be wrapped up in ten minutes in the next episode because Arya can literally kill anyone because she has training.

The reason people might be surprised it was Arya is because she has had zero involvement with the Night King arc. It’s the equivalent of Sam killing Cersei in the end by hitting her with a book. We knew he loved books so it was obvious.

This is so true.

Bravo!

seligehgit · 29-04-2019 11:57PM

shrewdness wrote: »

I was guessing after the lingering looks between Arya and Melisandre at the start, that it would be Arya to be the chosen one to take down the Night King, and their chat later confirmed that to me. But for a brief second at the end I was thinking that was all misdirection, and Arya getting killed would be the gut punch at the end. But no, the little ninja did it. Mind you, if she didn't then they were all fecked.

Absolutely shocked that both Brienne and Greyworm survived, thought both were goners after last week. Theon and Jorah went out honorably as heroes, after going through full redemption arcs.

Fantastic episode, though I must admit I'm a little surprised that the Night King is gone already, as he was a great villain and they built him up so much. 3 more long episodes to regroup and settle the Iron Throne. Alot of the main players are still alive but they seem to have hardly any of their army left, so not sure how they'll go up against Cersei. A few twists and turns yet no doubt.

Very enjoyable episode but I found the demise of the Night King and whitewalkers so early in the final season very anti climactic.

Since episode 1 of season 1 they have been built up to having a pivotal role in the overall storyline and an element of invincibility( I am aware of their vulnerability to dragonglass/obsidian and valyrian swords ) that I expected would bring them deep into the season.

Alanhooly · 29-04-2019 11:58PM

I want to love the episode, I really did but I just feel a little deflated.

It was just all too easy wasn't it. All the amazing theories I've read here & online and they're all debunked. It was just too easy.

No white walker even so much as swung a sword and bam, they're gone.

After all the tension that has been built for 8th seasons, it was just too quick & too easy.

I want myself to love it. Maybe I'll get there before next week. For now though, I'm struggling to.

BTW, the tension in the first 10 minutes of the episode was fantastic

Sardonicat · 29-04-2019 11:59PM

biggebruv wrote: »

Any one remember last season finale where the creepy dude from kings landing picked up the zombie hand and gave it a look like “mmmm I gonna do experiments with this”

Wonder if he’s making something creepy like the mountain

Had the exact same thought myself!

johnny_ultimate · 30-04-2019 12:00AM

A few extra thoughts to add to one of the main complaints that there wasn't enough deaths. There was a time I felt the 'unexpectedly kill off major character' was basically the only major trick Game of Thrones had and was getting bored of it. But why is this one so unsatisfying for the opposite reason? Other than the big existential threat of the series having been resolved with relatively few major casualties...

I reckon part of it is because the deaths in this episode are so similar - all along the lines of an 'heroic sacrifice'. Beric protecting Arya; Dolorous protecting Sam; Jorah protecting Dany; Lyanna protecting everyone by taking down the giant; Theon protecting Bran (the most futile of them, but still an overtly heroic moment). The only semi unusual one is Melisandre, and well that's just what it is. The five main deaths all being to the same formula creates a repetition and predictability within the episode, and honestly feels like it's right out of a Disney or Marvel blockbuster. If Sam, for example, didn't survive the onslaught he somehow managed to get through, then you'd have at least some variance - somebody dying weak and overwhelmed rather than in a brave last stand.

That's semi-connected to there not being a whole lot of ambiguity in the characters at this stage, at least in the last couple of episodes. Pretty much every character (except the zombies and walkers) in Winterfell is fairly unambiguously 'good'. Maybe that'll change (still plenty of Stark eyebrows raised when it comes to Dany), but for now it's the case. This comes with the big disclaimer that all of the characters recognised they needed to team up for this big war, and things might shift again now. But here we are, where a couple of once suspect, wild card or downright dastardly characters are fairly straightforward heroes. Take Melisandre (one of the shadiest characters in the whole ****ing series) or Theon in terms of those who didn't survive, or the Hound or Jamie in terms of those that did. There's nothing wrong with a redemption arc, but when you have a load of them simultaneously you start wearing down what it was that made many of these characters interesting in the first place.

There's still time for backstabbing and surprises aplenty, so will be interesting to see if these criticisms hold. But I reckon the reasons above are at least part of the reason it feels like GoT has blended into the fantasy crowd more than it has before.

That and some of the execution was just dodgy in this episode :pac:

no.8 · 30-04-2019 12:01AM

I love the whole aura of the white walkers, all the way back to book 1, but this is the game of THRONES. I thought it extremely fitting that the gods, the faceless men (and women) and Lord of light defeated the darkness, the higher powers over brute and beast. It was epic

threeball · 30-04-2019 12:02AM

Bran knew what was to happen all along. He gave Arya the dagger. A dagger that was meant to kill him in season one saved everyone. Still a load of ****e.
Took her 25mins to run from the castle to the garden.

Asus X540L · 30-04-2019 12:02AM

What was Bran doing warging while he was waiting for the nk? Just counting down his final moments flying around as a raven?
Thought whatever he was doing was gonna help him.

Anyway I know it would have been cheesy but how about Arya pulls her Bran mask off, grabs needle from under the wheelchair and stabs a very surprised night king in the gullet?!

And if you watched David Benioff after he says Jorah and Theon are definitely dead but they looked like there's life in them yet at the end of the episode.

And what the **** good were Melisandre and Beric? That was just to show how insignificant the Lord of light always was?

Scruff · 30-04-2019 12:04AM

Had guessed for a good while that Arya would be the NK slayer. It was very obvious when Melisandre turned up and gave her the beady eye. Though I thought she and Arya would do some magic and give her the blue eyes and face of the undead to let her coast through the crowd and chaos. Like her character is supposed to be able to do, blend in. Might play out better in a book than screen with the time to develop that approach but the 2 liner "and blue eyes" pep talk, exit stage left until the whoosh! as she ran out from under her cloak of invisibility was a bit ****e and rushed in the end.
Its one thing showing Arya being able to sneak her way through an empty library but how does that translate to traversing the castle through the legion?

Other than that I really enjoyed it as a TV spectical for GOT the TV series. Hope George get around to his version of events some time.

Best advert for high bit rate streams and expensive TVs the entertainment industry could ever have dreamed of. That episode is going to become the benchmark for TV reviews. It's going to be the "but can it play crisis" moment for tvs!

threeball · 30-04-2019 12:05AM

Asus X540L wrote: »

What was Bran doing warging while he was waiting for the nk? Just counting down his final moments flying around as a raven?
Thought whatever he was doing was gonna help him.

Anyway I know it would have been cheesy but how about Arya pulls her Bran mask off, grabs needle from under the wheelchair and stabs a very surprised night king in the gullet?!

And if you watched David Benioff after he says Jorah and Theon are definitely dead but they looked like there's life in them yet at the end of the episode.

And what the **** good were Melisandre and Beric? That was just to show how insignificant the Lord of light always was?

I had hoped Arya was bran at the end but bran would have to be dead. Which would be a double win

Sardonicat · 30-04-2019 12:06AM

threeball wrote: »

Bran knew what was to happen all along. He gave Arya the dagger. A dagger that was meant to kill him in season one saved everyone. Still a load of ****e.
Took her 25mins to run from the castle to the garden.

I think she may have encountered a few delays on her way there!

GSPfan · 30-04-2019 12:07AM

The more I think of it if they didn’t want Jon killing the Night King they should of had Sam do it somehow as he has been involved in the WW arc this whole time. Having Jon being beaten and about to die only for Sam to kill him would of made sense. The ultimate coward who was ridiculed at the Nights Watch ending the threat of the Night King would of given Sam his conclusion. The Night King was very cocky so that could of played into the reason why he turned his back on Sam.

thefa · 30-04-2019 12:07AM

irishfeen wrote: »

You would wonder what the context of the speech from Melisandre was for then, Arya was always going to try kill the NK like every single other person there, I took it that Melisandre was telling her to use what she has learnt and that you can take the face of a WW too.

Very few were actually prioritising targeting the night king plus she was off the back of fighting for survival for a while when Melisandre was reminding her of the key goal of blue eyes. Given the context, I don’t see how she could have killed one of the white walkers unnoticed given how packed they were to each other and the knock on effect that would have had on some wights plus done the face removal process. My money is still on her stealth training paying dividends.

threeball · 30-04-2019 12:09AM

Asus X540L wrote: »

What was Bran doing warging while he was waiting for the nk? Just counting down his final moments flying around as a raven?
Thought whatever he was doing was gonna help him.

Anyway I know it would have been cheesy but how about Arya pulls her Bran mask off, grabs needle from under the wheelchair and stabs a very surprised night king in the gullet?!

And if you watched David Benioff after he says Jorah and Theon are definitely dead but they looked like there's life in them yet at the end of the episode.

And what the **** good were Melisandre and Beric? That was just to show how insignificant the Lord of light always was?

The Lord of light kept Beric alive so he could save Arya so she could do her thing.

rob316 · 30-04-2019 12:09AM

After watching it I gotta say it was a great spectacle but they should of killed off a few main characters. Last week was all about bringing the characters together, making jokes and telling stories. You knew there was going to be a mass cull but it never materialized.

I mean the writers on this show have been ruthless, case in point the red wedding. That was jaw dropping stuff, I never saw that coming.

I've no problem with the night King been defeated, I felt it was always going to happen as his army was too powerful it was the only way to beat him. Also the story has always been about the battle for the iron throne, that's what the final episodes should be about.

ceegee · 30-04-2019 12:13AM

Asus X540L wrote: »

What was Bran doing warging while he was waiting for the nk? Just counting down his final moments flying around as a raven?
Thought whatever he was doing was gonna help him.

Anyway I know it would have been cheesy but how about Arya pulls her Bran mask off, grabs needle from under the wheelchair and stabs a very surprised night king in the gullet?!

And if you watched David Benioff after he says Jorah and Theon are definitely dead but they looked like there's life in them yet at the end of the episode.

And what the **** good were Melisandre and Beric? That was just to show how insignificant the Lord of light always was?

Needle isn't made of Valyrian steel so wouldn't kill him. She could have done that with the dagger but it'd require cutting off Bran's face first

J Mysterio · 30-04-2019 12:16AM

Brilliant, epic episode, really well put together. If you couldn't enjoy that, GOT is not for you.

"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 3 "The Long Night" - Spoilers post 2 forwa

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