Pregnant mother of 14 took keys of squad car.

Wibbs · 29-04-2019 11:04AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I agree. But I shouldn’t be paying for those people. These toe rags are obviously not the people we want having kids to pay for future generations. The cost to the state over a life time of one of these sprogs must be collossal. Cost of maternity hospital. Free everything. The only thing they graduate onto is a career in welfare , as encouraged by our government. How much then do those involved in crime, so the legal system, I.e us ?

I don’t owe these people a work free living and either do you !

seasidedub wrote: »

We don't want to pay for that "celebratory lifestyle" thanks.

Her husband is not a high flier. I guarantee you.

Oh I agree on both counts. I'd drive them and their ilk to the nearest ferry and march them onto it.

The practicalities are that for the vast majority of us living in the industrialised, consumerist and debt heavy west having large families is almost impossible now. Households need two incomes for rents/debts/mortgages and the expense of living in 21st century suburbia. Never mind the costs of childcare and raising even one or two kids. About the only way to go old style Ireland with large families is be wealthy, or be subsidised. She and those like her are mostly the latter. More than mostly. And they're being subsidised by the same two income couples keeping a pack of wolves from the door. They don't need another wolf showing up in the form of non contributing imports from elsewhere.

In many ways it's not even financial. I've known many people on low incomes or retired or on disability who give back a lot to the community. Entitled tax vampires, especially those with criminal issues are nothing like them. We already have enough of our own, we need to stop importing more.

Deja Boo · 29-04-2019 11:08AM

Wibbs wrote: »

...than a high flier in a cubicle at 35 looking at the sands running out.

jayzus wibbs... seriously?

29-04-2019 11:09AM

I blame the gubberment

Kermit.de.frog · 29-04-2019 11:19AM

Tabnabs wrote: »

Sure ****, why not...

Depressing.

seasidedub · 29-04-2019 11:21AM

Cordell wrote: »

She is a Roma Gypsy originally from Romania. She came to Ireland before Romania joined the EU, so most likely she got asylum status on the basis of alleged discrimination she experienced in Romania, which is complete BS. The real reason was free housing and benefits.

As Romania is now in the EU and has had to sign all sorts of human rights and anti discrimination laws - can we not send her and her family back? Isn't asylum supposed to be until it's safe for you to go home?????

Wibbs · 29-04-2019 11:22AM

Deja Boo wrote: »

jayzus wibbs... seriously?

Well somewhat tongue in cheek, but judging by stats on uptake of antidepressants and studies looking at "happiness" in different groups and age ranges, childless women of 40 rank very high up there. In the US of A one in four women are on antidepressants and anti anxiety meds with the early middle age demographic being the highest. That's before the uptake of women corporate types freezing their eggs. Modern life doesn't do any of us any favours as far as mental health environments go and as is often usual women are hit hardest as a gender.

Kivaro · 29-04-2019 11:27AM

I don't know if people in Ireland realise the amount of Roma Gypies arriving into the country. In a town near to me, there is a substantial increase of Roma in the town, and it's not seasonal. They have been given houses by the government/council all over the town. One family was moved into a detached house located in the town's best area. The 1/2 acre with the house is now like a used-car dealership with the amount of cars parked all over the place. On the other side of town, people who have lived on one particular street for generations now cannot park their cars outside their houses because of the car part thefts by the Romas living on that street.

Based on what has been experienced in other parts of Europe, issues with Roma Gypsy gangs in Ireland will make the feuds and criminality by our own indigenous ethnic group look like child's play. But why wouldn't they want to come here? The Social Welfare benefits alone is a massive enticement. Then you have the billions of euros currently being spent on free housing, with priority given to those who arrive on our shores with families. And then we have our laughable criminal justice system, or maybe we should call it our criminal injustice system (for crime victims).

I remember going to a removal in the town last year and there was a very large crowd waiting to get into the funeral home. Along passes a car with 4 Roma men in it. After seeing the crowd, they stopped the car right in the middle of the road, and started walking down along the line with their hands out begging for money. They would not leave, so the Gardai were called. It was a disgusting experience to witness.

So yeah, we are adjusting our culture to suit the arrival of Roma Gypies. But for the likes of Varadkar, Coveney and Zappone, this is a good thing as it helps to destroy the "homogeneity" of the country.

Akrasia · 29-04-2019 11:30AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

She can have 40 kids for all I care once she can provide for them herself instead of the taxpayer footing the bill.

You wouldnt be advocating artificial contraception now would you father?

Plumbthedepths · 29-04-2019 11:32AM

Akrasia wrote:

You wouldnt be advocating artificial contraception now would you father?

No personal responsibility, if you can afford 15 kids be my guest but why should a working couple only able to afford one child be put upon to support someone else's choice?

Needs Must · 29-04-2019 11:35AM

Her very own begging ring.

suicide_circus · 29-04-2019 11:42AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No personal responsibility, if you can afford 15 kids be my guest but why should a working couple only able to afford one child be put upon to support someone else's choice?

thats the social contract. a cross between biological and financial surrogacy.

seasidedub · 29-04-2019 11:43AM

Kivaro wrote: »

I don't know if people in Ireland realise the amount of Roma Gypies arriving into the country. In a town near to me, there is a substantial increase of Roma in the town, and it's not seasonal. They have been given houses by the government/council all over the town. One family was moved into a detached house located in the town's best area. The 1/2 acre with the house is now like a used-car dealership with the amount of cars parked all over the place. On the other side of town, people who have lived on one particular street for generations now cannot park their cars outside their houses because of the car part thefts by the Romas living on that street.

Based on what has been experienced in other parts of Europe, issues with Roma Gypsy gangs in Ireland will make the feuds and criminality by our own indigenous ethnic group look like child's play. But why wouldn't they want to come here? The Social Welfare benefits alone is a massive enticement. Then you have the billions of euros currently being spent on free housing, with priority given to those who arrive on our shores with families. And then we have our laughable criminal justice system, or maybe we should call it our criminal injustice system (for crime victims).

I remember going to a removal in the town last year and there was a very large crowd waiting to get into the funeral home. Along passes a car with 4 Roma men in it. After seeing the crowd, they stopped the car right in the middle of the road, and started walking down along the line with their hands out begging for money. They would not leave, so the Gardai were called. It was a disgusting experience to witness.

So yeah, we are adjusting our culture to suit the arrival of Roma Gypies. But for the likes of Varadkar, Coveney and Zappone, this is a good thing as it helps to destroy the "homogeneity" of the country.

Can you name the town? Really interesting to know.

fonecrusher1 · 29-04-2019 11:49AM

She sounds like an absolute delight. And those little rascals.

We need to increase welfare payments for families with +10 kids. Disgrace.

RollieFingers · 29-04-2019 11:54AM

That is a joke, although I blame the system that allows such manipulation rather than the people playing the system. Some, not all, of the Roma in Ireland are up to no good. I've seen a car pull up where a Roma woman was begging and another woman hopped out and took her spot while she got into the car, was literally a substitution. Absolute scam artists.

Mrsmum · 29-04-2019 12:01PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

no no, she'd be better off a cog in the machine up to her eyes in debt, her only comfort her nightly pinot grigio and canine baby substitute.

That's going from one extreme to another. There's a happy medium.

Women of Ireland who were so content with huge families and being lauded for it that they stopped having said big families immediately once they could control their fertility. Imagine that.

Emme · 29-04-2019 12:07PM

Wibbs wrote: »

She might be more than content at her large family and her success at raising so many. I'd bet the farm she and women like her are lauded by the men and women of her culture, as they would be in many cultures. That tends to beget contentment.

Of course it does. Men in those cultures take responsibility for their offspring and want to commit to women at an age when they can have children. Men in those countries want to be fathers at an age when they will be able to play football with their children later on. Men in those cultures don't see women as golddiggers if they want to have children and mind them themselves instead of going out to work. These women don't have to choose between childlessness or settling for a man 20 years older whose nappies she will have to change once she has taken the last nappy off the youngest. Men in those cultures don't make fun of working childless women their age while finally deciding to settle down around 45 or 50 with a woman 20 years their junior and walking around like a dog with 2 m!ckeys when she has a child for them.

suicide_circus · 29-04-2019 12:10PM

yikes!

MrMusician18 · 29-04-2019 12:36PM

Kivaro wrote: »

I don't know if people in Ireland realise the amount of Roma Gypies arriving into the country. In a town near to me, there is a substantial increase of Roma in the town, and it's not seasonal. They have been given houses by the government/council all over the town. One family was moved into a detached house located in the town's best area. The 1/2 acre with the house is now like a used-car dealership with the amount of cars parked all over the place. On the other side of town, people who have lived on one particular street for generations now cannot park their cars outside their houses because of the car part thefts by the Romas living on that street.

Based on what has been experienced in other parts of Europe, issues with Roma Gypsy gangs in Ireland will make the feuds and criminality by our own indigenous ethnic group look like child's play. But why wouldn't they want to come here? The Social Welfare benefits alone is a massive enticement. Then you have the billions of euros currently being spent on free housing, with priority given to those who arrive on our shores with families. And then we have our laughable criminal justice system, or maybe we should call it our criminal injustice system (for crime victims).

I remember going to a removal in the town last year and there was a very large crowd waiting to get into the funeral home. Along passes a car with 4 Roma men in it. After seeing the crowd, they stopped the car right in the middle of the road, and started walking down along the line with their hands out begging for money. They would not leave, so the Gardai were called. It was a disgusting experience to witness.

So yeah, we are adjusting our culture to suit the arrival of Roma Gypies. But for the likes of Varadkar, Coveney and Zappone, this is a good thing as it helps to destroy the "homogeneity" of the country.

Name the town, it's not as if that information could identify you.

MrMusician18 · 29-04-2019 12:44PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

That's going from one extreme to another. There's a happy medium.

Women of Ireland who were so content with huge families and being lauded for it that they stopped having said big families immediately once they could control their fertility. Imagine that.

Large families are generally a side product of high child mortality. As healthcare and economies improve and advance there is often a long transition to smaller families.

Family size had already started to decline in Ireland before contraception became widely available.

Indeed, even in poorer countries today there is access to contraception, yet family size is still large. This would point to other societal and economic issues that lead to large families and not just access to contraception as the main driver.

Gael23 · 29-04-2019 12:51PM

Have to make a living off the social I suppose

Wibbs · 29-04-2019 12:57PM

Emme wrote: »

Of course it does. Men in those cultures take responsibility for their offspring and want to commit to women at an age when they can have children. Men in those countries want to be fathers at an age when they will be able to play football with their children later on. Men in those cultures don't see women as golddiggers if they want to have children and mind them themselves instead of going out to work. These women don't have to choose between childlessness or settling for a man 20 years older whose nappies she will have to change once she has taken the last nappy off the youngest. Men in those cultures don't make fun of working childless women their age while finally deciding to settle down around 45 or 50 with a woman 20 years their junior and walking around like a dog with 2 m!ckeys when she has a child for them.

Though it seems a raw nerve has been hit, I would somewhat agree with you TBH.

Beechwoodspark · 29-04-2019 12:58PM

If anyone thinks the like of varadka and FG care about the amount of immigration into this country they are sadly deluding themselves

But hey, elections on the way. vote out the mainstream parties would be a start

Emme · 29-04-2019 12:59PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

yikes!

It's like this. A certain cohort of men on Boards lose no opportunity to bash women of a certain age who are single and have no children without looking into the mirror and seeing how they or their contemporaries might have inadvertently contributed to the situation.

Wibbs wrote: »

Though it seems a raw nerve has been hit, I would somewhat agree with you TBH.

Yes, a nerve has been hit. In the late 80s when I was in my 20s there weren't many single men available due to emigration. Divorce had not been legalised so there weren't many older men available either. I spend time in an abusive relationship. I also spent too much time in relationships waiting for men to decide if they wanted to settle down, have children etc. It didn't happen.

Looking back perhaps I should have found myself a *sperm donor* and had a child on my own. There were plenty of contenders if I wanted to take that route. If I did take that route I might not be pilloried by men who like to make fun of older single childless women.

Then again I have always had standards and wouldn't want to have a child by a man who didn't want to be a willing participant in the process. And more importantly, having a child with a man who either didn't want a child with me or as a result of a one-night-stand.

Many other older single childless women are that way for exactly the same reason as me. We put the welfare of the possible child first rather than having a child for the sake of not being pitied or for other selfish reasons.

suicide_circus · 29-04-2019 01:04PM

Emme wrote: »

It's like this. A certain cohort of men on Boards lose no opportunity to bash women of a certain age who are single and have no children without looking into the mirror and seeing how they or their contemporaries might have inadvertently contributed to the situation.

100% correct. For every childless cat lady there is a feckless man child. But what is the cause of this state of affairs?

Irexit · 29-04-2019 01:04PM

Kivaro wrote: »

I don't know if people in Ireland realise the amount of Roma Gypies arriving into the country. In a town near to me, there is a substantial increase of Roma in the town, and it's not seasonal. They have been given houses by the government/council all over the town. One family was moved into a detached house located in the town's best area. The 1/2 acre with the house is now like a used-car dealership with the amount of cars parked all over the place. On the other side of town, people who have lived on one particular street for generations now cannot park their cars outside their houses because of the car part thefts by the Romas living on that street.

Based on what has been experienced in other parts of Europe, issues with Roma Gypsy gangs in Ireland will make the feuds and criminality by our own indigenous ethnic group look like child's play. But why wouldn't they want to come here? The Social Welfare benefits alone is a massive enticement. Then you have the billions of euros currently being spent on free housing, with priority given to those who arrive on our shores with families. And then we have our laughable criminal justice system, or maybe we should call it our criminal injustice system (for crime victims).

I remember going to a removal in the town last year and there was a very large crowd waiting to get into the funeral home. Along passes a car with 4 Roma men in it. After seeing the crowd, they stopped the car right in the middle of the road, and started walking down along the line with their hands out begging for money. They would not leave, so the Gardai were called. It was a disgusting experience to witness.

So yeah, we are adjusting our culture to suit the arrival of Roma Gypies. But for the likes of Varadkar, Coveney and Zappone, this is a good thing as it helps to destroy the "homogeneity" of the country.

Its because of this nonsense that I support Irexit 100%. People say Ireland would be worse off outiside the EU but when you have these people flooding into Ireland they will collapse our welfare system.

Beechwoodspark · 29-04-2019 01:06PM

the day is soon coming where countries will just say freedom of movement is over and borders are back.

Doubt veruca will ever have the cajones to do it tho

suicide_circus · 29-04-2019 01:10PM

a welfare state is a finely balanced ecosystem

Plumbthedepths · 29-04-2019 01:11PM

suicide_circus wrote:

a welfare state is a finely balanced ecosystem

Lots of leeches in our ecosystem.

MrMusician18 · 29-04-2019 01:12PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

the day is soon coming where countries will just say freedom of movement is over and borders are back.

Doubt veruca will ever have the cajones to do it tho

It helps to understand why free movement exists. In a single market without free movement, you'd find that all low skill jobs would move to the cheapest economies. Free movement addresses this by allowing cheaper labour to move easily. It means that there are still some assembly jobs here in Ireland, fruit pickers in England etc.

Barriers to movement would distort the market leasing to less efficient operation and higher prices.

cgcsb · 29-04-2019 01:13PM

Children's allowance should be replaced by an equivalent tax credit. I shouldn't make financial sense for the state to replace fathers.

Pregnant mother of 14 took keys of squad car.

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