Peter Casey to contest the European elections

bells of shandon wrote: »

It is heartening to see ,that at least one forum member here is aware of the racket that is the EU.
The EU Parliament has no ability to initiate or amend legislation. It is a fig-leaf for a pretend democracy.
Laws are made by the unelected ,unaccountable 27 man Commission.
The Laws are superior to Nation State Law.
Members of the EU are vassal States.Members of the Eurozone currency system are enslaved in a dysfunctional currency union.

More Claptrap
And highly inaccurate
But dont let facts get in the way of a good oul uneducated rant

Faugheen wrote: »

And the racists will vote for Casey, which was my point. Thank you for agreeing with me.

Ah FFS.
More of the modern liberal leftie lunacy that is seeing racists everywhere, akin to the loonies in 50s America that saw Reds everywhere, that ultimately causes more issues that you would ever solve.

You want a witch hunt of anyone you disagree with much like the media tried against Casey in the presidential election.

What exactly did Casey say that is racist ?
Oh yeah why were travellers made a distinct ethnic group in Ireland?
Well then half the country are racist because half the country are asking the exact same question as to why people with the same basic genetic makeup and that look the exact same as the rest of us are now a distinct ethnic group.
Or does the fact they have a bit of a language, like to live a semi nomadic lifestyle, like to beat the shyte out of each other at family gatherings, give the two fingers to the laws of the land and normal hardworking citizens mean they are a distinct ethnic group?

AFAIK low-resolution genetic analysis shows they have a common Irish origin with the settled population.
And a lot of the differences may be down to the high level of consanguinity due to inter marriages within in families.

He asked why were they being given special treatment over the rest of society?
He didn't ask that they be discriminated against, he asked why they were the subject of positive discrimination.

Faugheen wrote: »

Not at all. They could vote for a number of candidates that I would disagree with. That doesn't make those people racists.

If they're voting for Casey then they are, in my opinion, which I have said multiple times in this thread.

People praise Casey for 'sticking to his guns and not apologising' whereas I'm being ridiculed for sticking to mine and being told I need to apologise.

It's funny how it works out when people disagree with your views, isn't it?

Do you want a medal for sticking to your guns ?
Well all us racists will have a whip around for you and get you one if you want.

eagle eye wrote: »

How did the Peter Casey thread end up as an abortion thread?

Some brought up one of our few right wing conservative parties which was just concerned about bringing us back to the days of Archbishop mcquade.

The thing is we need a so called conservative party that stands on non religious grounds, wants tigher immigration controls, less welfare for life, harder stance on law and order.

bells of shandon wrote: »

It is heartening to see ,that at least one forum member here is aware of the racket that is the EU.
The EU Parliament has no ability to initiate or amend legislation. It is a fig-leaf for a pretend democracy.
Laws are made by the unelected ,unaccountable 27 man Commission.
The Laws are superior to Nation State Law.
Members of the EU are vassal States.Members of the Eurozone currency system are enslaved in a dysfunctional currency union.

To a degree I rather the idea of the council of ministers or commission being in control because we have more representation and some sort of parity.
Yes I know qualified majority voting was introduced a number of years ago with Nice/Lisbon and I know the countries have weightings for voting based on populations.
The 55% of member states backing was one way of rebalancing for smaller states like Ireland.

In the commission/council of ministers to a degree we have a 1 in 27 (28) chance.

In the parliament with our 11 MEPS out of 751 members we have a lot less influence.
And all those 11 MEPS are not even from the same party, but could actually side with opposing views.

To me the EU parliament suits larger populated states.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Is this not a bit rich coming from a SinnFein supporter?
Didn't the bould Gerry do something similar if not more sinister when he declared that "they haven't gone away you know"?

I am not a SF voter or supporter.

Adams said that during the de-commissioning process, in the mid 90's when the IRA had indeed 'not gone away', they still had to put their weapons beyond use at that stage and agree a deal.

It has been used as a quote since as if he said it yesterday. :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am not a SF voter or supporter.

Adams said that during the de-commissioning process, in the mid 90's when the IRA had indeed 'not gone away', they still had to put their weapons beyond use at that stage and agree a deal.

It has been used as a quote since as if he said it yesterday. :rolleyes:

It was said as a threat. And it's one of many examples of SF politicians dogwhistling to their supporters. Remember the problems SF had with dealing with Kingsmill McElduff?

Though it is a feature of NI politics generally.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Of course it was a threat. The talks had stalled and needed to move forward to a deal and the start of the peace process.

Adams was attempting to bring an armed force down the road of peace, and that armed force didn't trust the British...who were stalling the process/negotiations.

It worked, the deal got done.

And it is entirely different to Casey's dithering around a topic and getting the rabble roused.

Funny he could command an armed force even though he was never on its army council, or indeed even a member.

Listened to 2 casey-related interview recently. No big take-aways from myself. I still think he's a bit of a bluffer - and am certain his knowledge on the EU institutions as well as their workings is near zero. If the conversation moves to the mechanics of the institutions he'll be lost there.
However, I'd still agree with him on certain topics. He's right on immigration and refugees - seeing as how we enfore < 20% of our deportation orders for example.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

In fairness, he said racists world vote for Casey - and they probably will; racists are not known for their intelligence - he did NOT say everyone who votes for Casey WAS racist. Big difference.

Ahh please don't go there, Francie is bad enough without delusion that he is Will Self debating with Mark Francois.

Also a bit rich listening to shinners lecture others about rabble rousing.
Pot say hello to kettle.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Also, you don't need a new conservative party (like there aren't enough of them?) - what you need is one of the existing ones taking a stance on immigration is that's your belief. And you get that by contacting TDs in your area and engaging them. Have you done that? Beacuse that's how they find out what your going to vote on.

WE DO NOT HAVE CONSERVATIVE PARTIES.
All major parties believe in copious amounts of social services and social welfare, non strict sentencing for habitual repeat criminal offenders, distancing of state and church, some sort of abortion, marriage equality, etc.

Now some members of the major parties may be against some of the above, but it is never a party stance, bar the religiously conservative flutes in say Renua and that party started by ex shinner Peader Tobin.

I would say the vast majority of the conservatives politicans in Ireland for the most part are just thinking conservatively in terms of sexual preferences and abortion.

The issue for me, and from my experience I would say a fair amount of people, is that we are fiscally conservative regarding use of government funds, want end to career welfareists and money spent on the true needy like disabled or chonically ill and the carers, want tighter controls on immigration, want tougher sentences for habitual criminals and dangerous criminals, but couldn't give a rats ass which adult sexual partner you want and think women should have a right to not be forced to have a baby against their will.

I don't think I have come across any politician that espouse those views and inherits that space.

IMHO that is where there is a gap in the market.