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Peter Casey to contest the European elections

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  • #872
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Nice to know you want women to keep getting the plane and can't accept the overwhelming result of the referendum.

    As posts like this show, a lot of people didn't understand what we voted for. The referendum was not about making abortion legal but allowing the oireachtas the freedom to legislate however it so wished on the issue.

    The oireachtas could introduce an even more anti-abortion regime than before and it wouldn't be unconstitutional under the amendment.


  • #873
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    As posts like this show, a lot of people didn't understand what we voted for. The referendum was not about making abortion legal but allowing the oireachtas the freedom to legislate however it so wished on the issue.

    The oireachtas could introduce an even more anti-abortion regime than before and it wouldn't be unconstitutional under the amendment.

    People knew full well what they were voting for. It was brought up and challenged numerous times.


  • #874
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Faugheen wrote: »
    People knew full well what they were voting for. It was brought up and challenged numerous times.

    Well you clearly didn't.

    It's a perfectly legitimate position to want to repeal Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018, while acknowledging and accepting the result of the referendum.


  • #875
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Got my first pamphlet through the door from Carthy. Are all of the items below (exactly as written by him), issues that an MEP deals with?

    Matt is fighting for -
    Jobs, infrastructure and services for rural Ireland.
    A radically reformed EU that works for the people.
    Supports for families in mortgage distress.
    Measures for banks and corporations to pay their share of taxes.
    A fair deal for Irish family farmers.
    A United ireland.

    and against -
    Brexit and any hardening of the border in Ireland.
    The further transfer of powers to Brussels.
    More stealth taxes on Irish families.
    Cuts to local services.
    Dangerous EU trade deals.
    The creation of an EU army.


    One of the backward problems in Ireland is our EU representatives are expected to spend their time dealing with local parish potholes etc. Any EU candidate that doesn't do a lot of parish pump politics is doomed to failure. This in turn totally weakens our actual voice and our effective involvement in important issues nationally and in Europe. I once watched an EU politician successfully persuade entire estate to change their Nice treaty vote in return for speed limit signs for their estate. I never once witnessed him being asked or challenged about an actual EU parliament issue on the doorstep. We are where we are for good reason. Most Irish people have no idea how the EU parliament works, and how it's structured, and how it effects their lives, nor do they seem to care unless RTE tells them what to care about and what opinion to have.


  • #876
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Well you clearly didn't.

    It's a perfectly legitimate position to want to repeal Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018, while acknowledging and accepting the result of the referendum.

    So what do you propose?


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  • #877
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Nobelium wrote: »
    One of the backward problems in Ireland is our EU representatives are expected to spend their time dealing with local parish potholes etc. Any EU candidate that doesn't do a lot of parish pump politics is doomed to failure. This in turn totally weakens our actual voice and our effective involvement in important issues nationally and in Europe. I once watched an EU politician successfully persuade entire estate to change their Nice treaty vote in return for speed limit signs for their estate. We are where we are for good reason.
    That kind of transactional politics points to an aloof political class disconnected from their electorate. While that was a local issue and not at all for an MEP to be dealing with, it was a community using their vote as leverage to get what they want.

    Mid political cycle, it can often be the only way to get heard, so why shouldn't people use that leverage.


  • #878
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,862 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    jmayo wrote:
    And yes she will get votes because she is a) FG b) a woman c) from Mayo d) Gay e) nice to some people that have met her
    If she went in Dubliner n she would definitely get elected, not so sure in the constituency she is going in.


  • #879
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So what do you propose?

    I'm not proposing to change the law.

    You said that people who want the law changed don't accept the referendum result. I'm pointing out to you that you can accept the result and want the law changed and that there is no conflict between those two ideas.


  • #880
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    I'm not proposing to change the law.

    You said that people who want the law changed don't accept the referendum result. I'm pointing out to you that you can accept the result and want the law changed and that there is no conflict between those two ideas.

    The 8th Amendment was repealed with the condition of the legislation being introduced as it currently is. This couldn't have been made clearer.

    How would you like the legislation to be? No abortions at all?


  • #881
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Faugheen wrote: »
    The 8th Amendment was repealed with the condition of the legislation being introduced as it currently is. This couldn't have been made clearer.

    How would you like the legislation to be? No abortions at all?

    It wasn't a condition. The white paper was a non binding outline of the government's plans.

    The referendum replaced 40.3.3 with the following, and this is the constitutional position:

    "Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancy."

    The above text is all we voted on and nothing there guarantees a right to abortion. In fact in the period between the amendment being approved and the new law coming into force abortion was illegal but the position was still constitutional.

    This is all an aside, but I hope you're feeling a little educated even though it's a bit late.


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  • #882
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    It wasn't a condition. The white paper was a non binding outline of the government's plans.

    The referendum replaced 40.3.3 with the following, and this is the constitutional position:

    "Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancy."

    The above text is all we voted on and nothing there guarantees a right to abortion. In fact in the period between the amendment being approved and the new law coming into force abortion was illegal but the position was still constitutional.

    This is all an aside, but I hope you're feeling a little educated even though it's a bit late.

    It was very clear that the white paper is what was going to be the legislation that would be introduced, and the referendum still passed overwhelmingly.

    There's no desire for the stone-age policies akin to what the 8th Amendment represented in Irish society, so good luck to any party who tries to take that position.


  • #883
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Faugheen wrote: »
    It was very clear that the white paper is what was going to be the legislation that would be introduced, and the referendum still passed overwhelmingly.

    There's no desire for the stone-age policies akin to what the 8th Amendment represented in Irish society, so good luck to any party who tries to take that position.

    I agree with you to a point. The white paper was only a political promise and only an outline at that.

    There may well be no appetite for change and any political party campaigning on the issue may well find that out. The issue I have with you is that you've effectively said that those campaigning for a change to the law would be ignoring the will of the people. The only will that the people expressed was that the oireachtas should determine how abortion is regulated. That's what's in the Constitution and that's all that matters.


  • #884
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    I agree with you to a point. The white paper was only a political promise and only an outline at that.

    There may well be no appetite for change and any political party campaigning on the issue may well find that out. The issue I have with you is that you've effectively said that those campaigning for a change to the law would be ignoring the will of the people. The only will that the people expressed was that the oireachtas should determine how abortion is regulated. That's what's in the Constitution and that's all that matters.

    'Anti-abortion', which is what the poster said, is ignoring the will of the people, when you consider the white paper which came with the referendum.


  • #885
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,121 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    is_that_so wrote: »
    He hasn't actually done anything.

    This. He wishes to short circuit the process by getting elected, for the sake of it. It's almost as if he has a bet on with some of his wealthy buddies.

    He has no track record of actually doing any work for a constituency anywhere.
    His legacy so far is to have a rant, walk away and leave the issue MORE entrenched, unsolvable than before he opened his beak.


  • #886
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Faugheen wrote: »
    The 8th Amendment was repealed with the condition of the legislation being introduced as it currently is. This couldn't have been made clearer.

    How would you like the legislation to be? No abortions at all?
    Abortions only in very rare cases, rape and FFA,
    Abortion shouldn't be used as s form of birth control life is more important than that


  • #887
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,398 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Can we not have 1 thread where abortion comes up its not like anyone going for Europe can change it


  • #888
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    martingriff wrote: »
    Can we not have 1 thread where abortion comes up its not like anyone going for Europe can change it

    When Faugheen acknowledges he was wrong.:pac:


  • #889
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,398 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    When Faugheen acknowledges he was wrong.:pac:

    :o:o:o
    Welp good bye thread


  • #890
    trashcan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Could you imagine what one competent honest party could do here? Achieve 15-20% of the vote and you would have huge influence !

    Except that in this context "honesty" usually translates as " I agree with that view". It tends to be in the eye of the beholder.


  • #891
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MrMusician18 wrote:
    When Faugheen acknowledges he was wrong.


    Good luck with getting a liar to admit they are wrong. ;-)


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  • #892
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Abortions only in very rare cases, rape and FFA,
    Abortion shouldn't be used as s form of birth control life is more important than that

    How do you legislate for abortion in the case of rape without the victim having to go through the courts process?


  • #893
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    When Faugheen acknowledges he was wrong.:pac:

    I've yet to find anyone who has proven me otherwise.


  • #894
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Faugheen wrote: »
    How do you legislate for abortion in the case of rape without the victim having to go through the courts process?

    Trust based system would suit.
    Not all rape victims can go to the police.


  • #895
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Trust based system would suit.
    Not all rape victims can go to the police.

    So how do you legislate for a 'trust-based' system?

    You do realise the laws are the way they are so rape victims can be cared for without judgement or having to relive the experience?

    You can't legislate for rape on a 'trust-based system'. That is the biggest load of uninformed bollocks that I've ever come across.

    The second 'rape' is entered into the legislation then it becomes a judicial matter also.


  • #896
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    He was referring to bogus applications who use the appeal system to drag out the process by years.
    These people take the opportunities from genuine refugees we could be helping.
    Bogus applications for refugee status are freeloaders what would you call them?

    I'd call them scam artists.
    The vast majority of people applying for asylum in Ireland are not legitimate asylum seekers. This is known.
    The asylum process has been broken in Ireland for many years, but any attempt to fix it was immediately shouted down with claims of racism; especially by vested NGOs. The whole premise for the likes of Sinn Fein and the other mainstream political parties in this country is that every single asylum seeker claiming asylum is telling the truth.

    And don't forget that Sinn Fein does not want any cap on the number of people from around the world who can claim asylum in Ireland. (See Sinn Fein's website for confirmation of their policy). And instead of deportations, they want amnesty for failed asylum seekers in Ireland, even for those convicted of crimes in this country.
    This is a ludicrous concept. Ireland is too small to accept every asylum applicant on the planet who wants to come here.
    I'm sure though that Sinn Fein supporters will start wising up to this crazy notion.


  • #897
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Hell do more than the current crop of useless ****ers in Brussels. Hopefully he uses his platform to solve rural burglaries and ends direct provision. There are 4 people of voting age in my house. All voting casey no. 1

    What? MEPs dont do the job of the gardai and minister for Justice.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #898
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So how do you legislate for a 'trust-based' system?

    You do realise the laws are the way they are so rape victims can be cared for without judgement or having to relive the experience?

    You can't legislate for rape on a 'trust-based system'. That is the biggest load of uninformed bollocks that I've ever come across.

    The second 'rape' is entered into the legislation then it becomes a judicial matter also.

    You don't legislate for a trust based system
    Trust is the key,
    Also father's should have a say in the future of their child


  • #899
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Hell do more than the current crop of useless ****ers in Brussels. Hopefully he uses his platform to solve rural burglaries and ends direct provision. There are 4 people of voting age in my house. All voting casey no. 1

    That is a pressing issue for the other 26 member states, I believe. Some of them can't sleep for what goes on in rural Ireland.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #900
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    That kind of transactional politics points to an aloof political class disconnected from their electorate. While that was a local issue and not at all for an MEP to be dealing with, it was a community using their vote as leverage to get what they want.

    Mid political cycle, it can often be the only way to get heard, so why shouldn't people use that leverage.

    Actually it points to a very ill educated uninformed electorate who laughably are prepared have their votes bought for the price of an estate speed sign they should have been provided with anyway, and elect charlatans who like to continue to keep them in the dark, and to make laws in the European parliament with no regard or interest as to what the actual laws will be, should be, or what undoubted impact they will have on their lives. You might think that's a nice healthy democracy, but it isn't.


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  • #901
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,862 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Nobelium wrote:
    Actually it points to a very ill educated uninformed electorate who laughably are prepared have their votes bought for the price of an estate speed sign they should have been provided with anyway, and elect charlatans who like to continue to keep them in the dark, and to make laws in the European parliament with no regard or interest as to what the actual laws will be, should be, or what undoubted impact they will have on their lives. You might think that's a nice healthy democracy, but it isn't.
    What do you suggest the electorate do when they are not happy with any of the political parties?
    Who do you want them to vote for then?


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