Faugheen wrote: » Nice to know you want women to keep getting the plane and can't accept the overwhelming result of the referendum.
MrMusician18 wrote: » As posts like this show, a lot of people didn't understand what we voted for. The referendum was not about making abortion legal but allowing the oireachtas the freedom to legislate however it so wished on the issue. The oireachtas could introduce an even more anti-abortion regime than before and it wouldn't be unconstitutional under the amendment.
Faugheen wrote: » People knew full well what they were voting for. It was brought up and challenged numerous times.
Strawberry Milkshake wrote: » Got my first pamphlet through the door from Carthy. Are all of the items below (exactly as written by him), issues that an MEP deals with? Matt is fighting for - Jobs, infrastructure and services for rural Ireland. A radically reformed EU that works for the people. Supports for families in mortgage distress. Measures for banks and corporations to pay their share of taxes. A fair deal for Irish family farmers. A United ireland. and against - Brexit and any hardening of the border in Ireland. The further transfer of powers to Brussels. More stealth taxes on Irish families. Cuts to local services. Dangerous EU trade deals. The creation of an EU army.
MrMusician18 wrote: » Well you clearly didn't. It's a perfectly legitimate position to want to repeal Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018, while acknowledging and accepting the result of the referendum.
Nobelium wrote: » One of the backward problems in Ireland is our EU representatives are expected to spend their time dealing with local parish potholes etc. Any EU candidate that doesn't do a lot of parish pump politics is doomed to failure. This in turn totally weakens our actual voice and our effective involvement in important issues nationally and in Europe. I once watched an EU politician successfully persuade entire estate to change their Nice treaty vote in return for speed limit signs for their estate. We are where we are for good reason.
jmayo wrote: And yes she will get votes because she is a) FG b) a woman c) from Mayo d) Gay e) nice to some people that have met her
Faugheen wrote: » So what do you propose?
MrMusician18 wrote: » I'm not proposing to change the law. You said that people who want the law changed don't accept the referendum result. I'm pointing out to you that you can accept the result and want the law changed and that there is no conflict between those two ideas.
Faugheen wrote: » The 8th Amendment was repealed with the condition of the legislation being introduced as it currently is. This couldn't have been made clearer. How would you like the legislation to be? No abortions at all?
MrMusician18 wrote: » It wasn't a condition. The white paper was a non binding outline of the government's plans. The referendum replaced 40.3.3 with the following, and this is the constitutional position:"Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancy." The above text is all we voted on and nothing there guarantees a right to abortion. In fact in the period between the amendment being approved and the new law coming into force abortion was illegal but the position was still constitutional. This is all an aside, but I hope you're feeling a little educated even though it's a bit late.
Faugheen wrote: » It was very clear that the white paper is what was going to be the legislation that would be introduced, and the referendum still passed overwhelmingly. There's no desire for the stone-age policies akin to what the 8th Amendment represented in Irish society, so good luck to any party who tries to take that position.
MrMusician18 wrote: » I agree with you to a point. The white paper was only a political promise and only an outline at that. There may well be no appetite for change and any political party campaigning on the issue may well find that out. The issue I have with you is that you've effectively said that those campaigning for a change to the law would be ignoring the will of the people. The only will that the people expressed was that the oireachtas should determine how abortion is regulated. That's what's in the Constitution and that's all that matters.
is_that_so wrote: » He hasn't actually done anything.
martingriff wrote: » Can we not have 1 thread where abortion comes up its not like anyone going for Europe can change it
MrMusician18 wrote: » When Faugheen acknowledges he was wrong.:pac:
Idbatterim wrote: » Could you imagine what one competent honest party could do here? Achieve 15-20% of the vote and you would have huge influence !
MrMusician18 wrote: When Faugheen acknowledges he was wrong.
Charles Ingles wrote: » Abortions only in very rare cases, rape and FFA, Abortion shouldn't be used as s form of birth control life is more important than that
Faugheen wrote: » How do you legislate for abortion in the case of rape without the victim having to go through the courts process?
Charles Ingles wrote: » Trust based system would suit. Not all rape victims can go to the police.
Charles Ingles wrote: » He was referring to bogus applications who use the appeal system to drag out the process by years. These people take the opportunities from genuine refugees we could be helping. Bogus applications for refugee status are freeloaders what would you call them?
Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: » Hell do more than the current crop of useless ****ers in Brussels. Hopefully he uses his platform to solve rural burglaries and ends direct provision. There are 4 people of voting age in my house. All voting casey no. 1
Faugheen wrote: » So how do you legislate for a 'trust-based' system? You do realise the laws are the way they are so rape victims can be cared for without judgement or having to relive the experience? You can't legislate for rape on a 'trust-based system'. That is the biggest load of uninformed bollocks that I've ever come across. The second 'rape' is entered into the legislation then it becomes a judicial matter also.
MrMusician18 wrote: » That kind of transactional politics points to an aloof political class disconnected from their electorate. While that was a local issue and not at all for an MEP to be dealing with, it was a community using their vote as leverage to get what they want. Mid political cycle, it can often be the only way to get heard, so why shouldn't people use that leverage.
Nobelium wrote: Actually it points to a very ill educated uninformed electorate who laughably are prepared have their votes bought for the price of an estate speed sign they should have been provided with anyway, and elect charlatans who like to continue to keep them in the dark, and to make laws in the European parliament with no regard or interest as to what the actual laws will be, should be, or what undoubted impact they will have on their lives. You might think that's a nice healthy democracy, but it isn't.
