"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 2 "A Knight of the 7" - Spoilers post 2 fo

Yermande · 23-04-2019 10:58AM

Tell me how wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

What, pray tell, has? For last year for example.

I'm the type of nerd with an IMBD account!

These are my top 25 shows/movies of 2018. Although Game of Thrones wasn't on last year so who knows, maybe it would have snuck on there (doubt it :P). I've cheated slightly as some of these arrived via cheeky downloads and have 2019 release dates in Ireland.

1. First Reformed
2. Atlanta
3. Random Acts of Flyness
4. Leave No Trace
5. Faces Places
6. Dark River
7. Insecure
8. Black Earth Rising
9. You Were Never Really Here
10. Sharp Objects
11. Eight Grade
12. Lodge 49
13. Better Call Saul
14. Lean on Pete
15. Barry
16. Big Little Lies
17. Silicon Valley
18. Veep
19. Eight Grade
20. Private Life
21. Phantom Thread
22. Isle of Dogs
23. Zama
24. A Very English Scandal
25. Western

23-04-2019 11:02AM

magic_murph wrote: »

Anybody else think the whole thing will feel rushed when it's all said and done?
Trying to wrap up such a wide reaching story in 6 (really only 4 ) episode seems like a big ask.
enjoying it all so far - some issues with certain parts of the past two episodes but nothing that takes away from the show as a whole.

Ah the first two episodes have been important.

The run times for all six episodes have been confirmed by HBO, with the first four episodes set to run for 54, 58, 60 and 78 minutes, respectively, while episode 5 and the finale will run for 80 minutes each. That's an average episode length of 68 minutes and 20 seconds.

If you think about it, this series is 7 1/2 episodes long.

Edit: I’ve just checked sky planner and GOT starts at 2am and next program starts at 3:30 so above info for next week might be wrong.

Yermande · 23-04-2019 11:04AM

Bot42 wrote: »

Emerdale, corrie, home and away, neighbours, hollyoaks

that kind of thing

And Brookside as well.

23-04-2019 11:09AM

I do not want this to end

podgemonster · 23-04-2019 11:17AM

Salvatore Crashing Ash wrote: »

I do not want this to end

Never wanted to leave
Never wanted to leave.

"It's a hard truth. All things end. " -Varys

23-04-2019 11:18AM

Tell me how wrote: »

If he is, I think we should have been let in on it somehow. If something dramatic happens near the end and he says he was planning it all along, there isn't much fun in that, it's much better to see him conniving such as when he told various people he was making a match between Myrcella and suitors so he could find out who was running to Cersei.

Well D&D have proven recently that they are capable of doing such a thing. They did the same thing with Arya/Sansa/Little Finger storyline. They led the viewer to believe the girls were fighting. Some of the least realistic interactions between Sansa and Arya that I've ever seen. Then they kiss-and-make-up without us knowing, behind closed doors, they had conspired to shock him in front of everyone and murder him. I am not a fan of that storyline whatsoever for many reasons.

Tyrion's betrayal has been flagged ever so slightly. The conversation he had with Cersi, him brewing outside the room when Jon and Dani got it on and now I think his conversation with Bran could be to his advantage.

Dravokivich · 23-04-2019 11:22AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They’re really going out of their way to make Dany seem hated. I wonder how that will end up panning out.

They did similar at the start of last season but then she redeemed herself. Will the same happen again?

So much to tie up in 4 episodes. White Walkers / Cersei / Dany + Jon

I don't think it's so much that Dany is hated, she loses a lot of relevance and authority throughout the whole episode, and it ends with finding out Jon is aegon. A "northerner," is a targeryn.

Brock Turnpike · 23-04-2019 11:23AM

Really enjoyed that episode. Some good comedy, some very poignant moments, some odd moments, some rushed moments. And a fantastic cliffhanger to finish up.

23-04-2019 11:32AM

magic_murph wrote: »

Anybody else think the whole thing will feel rushed when it's all said and done?
Trying to wrap up such a wide reaching story in 6 (really only 4 ) episode seems like a big ask.
enjoying it all so far - some issues with certain parts of the past two episodes but nothing that takes away from the show as a whole.

I'm expecting to be disappointed tbh. Hopefully not, but there's just too much to do. A lot of people are going to die unceremoniously and its going to quickly move on. Similar to the last season of Boardwalk Empire.

Bacchus · 23-04-2019 11:34AM

alchemist33 wrote: »

I don't think the stortline with the dead will end next week. I suspect it'll be indecisive and both plotlines (the dead, the throne) will be interlinked in the climax (which will probably be halfway through the final episode, leaving loose ends to be tied up for the last half hour, like an epilogue)

Hopefully it does continue on... in which case it'd have to be a retreat from Winterfell back to the Iron Islands maybe. There'd have to be some serious casualties though in that case.

Maybe we're in for some real shocks in the next episode. Would they kill off Arye for instance? Could we have her, and all her cockiness with her training, sneak up on the Knight King just to be taken down in an instant. If you're looking to crush the audience in the way GoT used to do, that'd do it. The likes of Theon, Jorah, Brienne, Greyworm, etc. would all be relatively low-key deaths that are nearly expected at this point.

Triceratops Ballet · 23-04-2019 11:35AM

I loved this episode, better than E01 imo, I'm not a fan of battle episodes but I think the scene has been set very well for this that I'm looking forward to seeing how it all shakes out!

Loved the scene between Dany and Sansa, think it shows that Dany has underestimated Sansa between all the talk of being there for love and the "The North is beautiful, as are you" stuff she seems to be going off old info on what Sansa is like (prob from Jon) she doesn't know that Sansa is "fighting every battle everywhere always in her mind" she can't play an active part in the upcoming battle, all she can do is make sure her people are prepared and then have an eye on what may happen next so she can prepare for that. I also enjoyed the scene in the great hall where she spoke before Dany to pardon Jaime. It shows she has no fúks to give about Dany's power and is more comfortable with her own position than even Jon is.

I thought them being interrupted by Theons arrival was good too and the reunion between Sansa and Theon was one I wasn't expecting I'd kind of forgotten that last time they were together. Someone else said it in this thread but I definitely though this was a good demo to Dany about northern loyalty and how beloved and loving the Starks are.

The scenes between Jaime and Brienne were all great from her vouching for him to the knighting scene. She's a fave of mine but sadly I don't think Brienne is long for this world. I think Jaime might survive the battle of Winterfell and because of what happened in this ep he'll be massively impacted by the loss of Brienne.

I can't decide how I feel about the Bran in the godswood plan, seems a fitting way for Theon to die since he took the castle from Bran and that set him on his major arc so I can only think it will go that way. I can't shake the feeling that the night king might not show, or if he does it will be a brief appearance their whole plan is on attacking him and they made a point of that which makes me think they won't get a chance.

The Dany v Jon/ Aegon plot, I literally don't care about!! Maybe it's because as a viewer I've known about it for a full season already so it's not exactly a shock, it's never going to land massively with viewers when the characters find out something we already know. I also don't really rate those two as actors so maybe they don't carry the punch. It's pretty obvious that Dany is just power mad, and isn't impressed at any perceived threat to her position. So much for being the one who wants to break the wheel eh?

Hon. mention to Bran when he quotes "the things you do for love" back to Jaime, almost as good as when he threw "chaos is a ladder" at Baelish!

I think Milesandre might be our literal Deus ex Machina next week who comes rolling (r'hlloing!) round the corner like the knights of the Vale to light the battlefield on fire when all looks lost

My picks to die at the battle of Winterfell
-Brienne
-Ed
-Either Greyworm or Missandei (greyworm seems obvious so maybe I'd opt for Missandei instead)
-Theon
-Jorah

Plus Possibly
- Podrick
- Davos

My picks to definitely survive battle of Winterfell
- Jaime
- Tyrion
- Sansa
- Dany
- Jon
- Sam
- Arya

Brock Turnpike · 23-04-2019 11:37AM

Why are people referring to r'hllor in reference to the red woman? I've never heard that mentioned in the show before.

Triceratops Ballet · 23-04-2019 11:38AM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Why are people referring to r'hllor in reference to the red woman? I've never heard that mentioned in the show before.

it's the actual name of "the Lord of Light"

Tazzimus · 23-04-2019 11:41AM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Why are people referring to r'hllor in reference to the red woman? I've never heard that mentioned in the show before.

Because she's a priestess of his?

podgemonster · 23-04-2019 11:44AM

Anyone spot the subtle playing of Shireen Baratheon's song "I know, I know" when the little scarred girl is asking for soup. Lovely throwback.

evil_seed · 23-04-2019 12:13PM

You know what I love about this show now... The fact that all the people watching right now are going through the ringer in terms of getting attached to characters, wondering what's gonna happen, the anticipation etc. The next round of people that will discover this show won't go through the same thing because you know what they'll do after watching last night's episode, they'll watch s08e03 immediately. And it won't be the same

MisterAnarchy · 23-04-2019 12:14PM

magic_murph wrote: »

Anybody else think the whole thing will feel rushed when it's all said and done?
Trying to wrap up such a wide reaching story in 6 (really only 4 ) episode seems like a big ask.

Yes , think it was a big mistake to cut Seasons 7 and 8 in length ,especially Season 7 which was a real rush job.

The first 2 episodes of this season have been slow enough character driven episodes ,and have been welcome .
A few more dialogue driven episodes like that in Season 7 would have fleshed out the story a bit more instead of characters travelling huge distances in minutes .
It would have fleshed out certain arcs better too.

I'm not entirely sure why the decision to cut the series length was made ,probably to do with the extensive amount of time required to shoot the battle scenes but alot of the dialogue driven scenes are cheaply and easily shot using a second crew so not really a budgetary or resource issue.

blue note · 23-04-2019 12:45PM

There's some heap of fanboys on here trying to prove (mainly to themselves I suspect) that they're real fans who truly appreciate the show, unlike the plebs who just want soap style revelations every episode and bigger better battles every week. Anyone who thought the first episode of this season was a good one would lap up anything GoT gives them. It really was just a catch up episode to start the season. Nothing happened, the character interactions were cosmetic, nothing was developed. And with only 6 episodes left that's not good enough.

That said, I thought the most recent episode was much better. An above average one for the series and that's saying something. I thought cutting off the important conversations was a bit of a cheap trick, but I'll live with it. It was the episode needed before everything kicks off. Whereas the previous episode was simply unneeded.

The one gripe I have with the show overall is that we've only 4 episodes left and we really haven't seen enough of the white walkers. ASOIAF - we should have seen far more of these guys. But now they're just going to be wrapped up along with everything else. I'd say they'll be gone before the last episode.

And it was funny seeing Arya (I was searching for the right word, but actually "seeing Arya" was perfect). After all the people we've seen her coldly execute, this is the scene that shocked me! I think they were right to stick it in and it was in character. But I don't think any fan ever really thought of her as an adult.

RickBlaine · 23-04-2019 12:49PM

Roar wrote: »

A good point I heard on the Still Watching Game of Thrones podcast that stuck with me - the best way to approach this season is as one long movie, broken up into 6 acts. I'd imagine when this season is over and we can watch them all back to back they'll flow perfectly into one another.

The first two episodes have been great at scene setting at tension building. Feel now that I'm ready for sh!t to hit the fan next week.

I agree, imagine if The Two Towers was split into six 30 minute episodes spread a week apart. I think one or two of them would seem very slow.

But even during my recent series rewatch, there are definitely a lot of episodes throughout the whole series were not a lot happens, just character building. This episode was certainly one of those, which was very important given the events that will happen next week.

Tired Gardener · 23-04-2019 01:06PM

That was a great episode, we got to see a lot of the main players character arcs come to their destination. At it's core GoT is about the inner conflict of the Human heart and politics. This episode played up to that very well.

Danny is claiming her authority based upon birthright, where as Sansa demonstrates authority from being respected and liked. Danny is not happy to see she can't just waltz in and be in charge. She is out of her league when it comes to the political games of Westeros.

Jamie, wow. His tale of redemption is utterly brilliant, his remark about why he attacked Ned is bold, but also quite true. Their houses were at war, and it is only natural to defend his house. It felt real.

The episode has too many great scenes that it is hard to to over them all. The only scene that made me feel a bit odd was with Arya and Gendry, but that is more to do with Gendry looking like an adult, while Arya looks like a 12 year old... I honestly had to look away at that scene.

Triceratops Ballet · 23-04-2019 01:22PM

Tired Gardener wrote: »

She is out of her league when it comes to the political games of Westeros.

This is a good point, really in terms of where Dany has been they talk about it in earlier seasons that the Dothraki only follow strength, so with her dragons she is the natural leader in that context but in Westeros it's so much more about political manoeuvring, every where she went before she was able to take by brute force, this is a different challenge for her. If she tries brute force in Westeros we'll have a queenslayer on our hands!!

Tired Gardener wrote: »

The episode has too many great scenes that it is hard to to over them all. The only scene that made me feel a bit odd was with Arya and Gendry, but that is more to do with Gendry looking like an adult, while Arya looks like a 12 year old... I honestly had to look away at that scene.

I actually liked it, it's good to see something like that happen for one of the Stark girls of her own accord, so much bad has come their way and they've had so may threats of rape/rape in Sansas case. It also let's us see a more human side to Arya I think, we've seen her do some monsterous things and become cold and detached, she's afraid she's going to die and it's nice to see her want something so human and normal at a time like that.

23-04-2019 01:30PM

Lackey wrote: »

Lots of future issues with who will sit on the throne:
Dani knows Jon is a possible heir
Arya knows Gendry is Robers son
Sansa and Dani hitting a wall over ruling the North

Interesting. Arya has said a few times that she doesn't want to be a lady...... hmmm?!

Tazzimus · 23-04-2019 01:34PM

Also, Jon/Aegon isn't a possible heir, he is THE heir.
He trumps Danys claim so will be interesting to see how she takes that.

Tired Gardener · 23-04-2019 01:39PM

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

I actually liked it, it's good to see something like that happen for one of the Stark girls of her own accord, so much bad has come their way and they've had so may threats of rape/rape in Sansas case. It also let's us see a more human side to Arya I think, we've seen her do some monsterous things and become cold and detached, she's afraid she's going to die and it's nice to see her want something so human and normal at a time like that.

I have no issue with Arya getting to make the beast with two back, hell... if I were in her position of facing death in an up coming battle I'd be wanting to get some sexual relief.

It is more that the actor Maisie Williams looks like a 12 year old, and the actor who plays Gendry looks far from a teenager. That is what for me made that scene uncomfortable, even knowing that she is 21 doesn't help.

The Iron Giant · 23-04-2019 01:41PM

Tired Gardener wrote: »

I have no issue with Arya getting to make the beast with two back, hell... if I were in her position of facing death in an up coming battle I'd be wanting to get some sexual relief.

It is more that the actor Maisie Williams looks like a 12 year old, and the actor who plays Gendry looks far from a teenager. That is what for me made that scene uncomfortable, even knowing that she is 21 doesn't help.

It is funny though because when Sansa was even younger with Joffrey, nobody batted an eyelid. When 15 year old Tommen was with Margaery, nobody cared. But this caused people discomfort despite her being perfectly 'legal'. I guess its that we've grown up with her so closely.

coolisin · 23-04-2019 01:55PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Ah the first two episodes have been important.

If you think about it, this series is 7 1/2 episodes long.

Edit: I’ve just checked sky planner and GOT starts at 2am and next program starts at 3:30 so above info for next week might be wrong.

Originally that was correct they added an additional 22mins to next week's episode after the first aired according to ign.com last week.

23-04-2019 02:03PM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

It is funny though because when Sansa was even younger with Joffrey, nobody batted an eyelid. When 15 year old Tommen was with Margaery, nobody cared. But this caused people discomfort despite her being perfectly 'legal'. I guess its that we've grown up with her so closely.

Some eyelids were definitely batted with Tommen and Margaery

Triceratops Ballet · 23-04-2019 02:08PM

Exclamation Marc wrote:

It is funny though because when Sansa was even younger with Joffrey, nobody batted an eyelid. When 15 year old Tommen was with Margaery, nobody cared. But this caused people discomfort despite her being perfectly 'legal'. I guess its that we've grown up with her so closely.

I think it's also in her styling too, hair tied back no makeup very covered up, she's not a character who's been sexualised either visually or as a character point.

Like Sansa has always been "the pretty one" her marriage and potential kids were a main plot point for her from s01e01, for Tommen it's played on that why wouldn't a teen boy want to get his hands on Margery even though it was weird given the actors ages. The only seeding of the Arya Gendry thing was her creeping on him in the forge at Harranhall

Agricola · 23-04-2019 02:27PM

Fantastic episode. The big battles are great, but it's these intimate dialogue scenes between brilliantly written characters that really make GoT, and always have done. I suppose it's going to be wall to wall blood letting from here on in, so I enjoyed that while it lasted.

Probably said before, but ep 2 has so many Helm's Deep vibes from the Two Towers. When Pod began to sing at the fire, I was instantly reminded of Pippin singing at Minas Tirith in Return of the King.

Really going to miss this show...

Paddy Cow · 23-04-2019 02:35PM

kingshankly wrote: »

This episode was definitely needed was our last chance to see the characters we have come to love before the mother of all battles
Next week is going to be incredible only downside is it’s a battle in the dark will be a lot of squinting at the tv

It's not. They stayed up all night and the NK got to Winterfell as dawn is breaking so we'll have a good daylight battle

"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 2 "A Knight of the 7" - Spoilers post 2 fo

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