"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 2 "A Knight of the 7" - Spoilers post 2 fo

Dave_The_Sheep · 23-04-2019 02:04AM

Alanhooly wrote: »

Anyone else think the 'Battle of winterfell' could be a false ploy and the Night King accompanied by a large army of the undead will march to Kings landing instead to bolster his numbers first?

Tactically, it makes complete sense. Distract the world with your army at Winterfell, fly around, raising all the dead from here to Dorne, burn everything behind the armies at Winterfell, and then just watch them starve.

Makes for **** TV though. Realistically, anyone who can control the dead can just wait everyone out, but that's not going to happen, because it would be boring.

Should be like the crypts next week, but it won't be.

I still think the NK won't be at Winterfell though, he'll be off elsewhere pulling some nefarious ****.

eagle eye · 23-04-2019 02:04AM

Felt like a filler episode, loads of funny moments which is very unusual for this show. The Arya story is interesting because Gendry is the bastard son.

Yermande · 23-04-2019 05:55AM

no.8 wrote: »

Many would disagree. I thought the tension being released by humour throughout was a stroke of genius.
I think some fans have expectations verging on the ridiculous. This episode was about highlighting that they are in fact human, and what it is that they are fighting for.

We're all entitled to conflicting opinions. And I can assure you, my expectations for each Game of Thrones episode are not awfully high. It's an entertaining romp and worth discussing in threads like this, but in any given year it hasn't even made my top 25 TV shows or movies.

Tell me how · 23-04-2019 08:01AM

I must be one of the few people who thinks the content of episodes 1 and 2 could have been teased out in to another episode.
There has been too much of seeing characters on screen just to explain their location without using them as they have tried to fit everything in to the 2 episodes.

Varys has been completely redundant. Could have seen more of him maybe considering a replacement hand for Deanerys and contributing to coming to a decision on Jamie.
We didn't see Bronn at all in ep 2
Didn't see anyone else in Kings landing in ep 2 either.
Yara similarly was quickly rescued and was hardly on screen any more.
We know Lady Melisandre has a part to play but we don't know where she is or what she is doing.

Maybe some of this (and more) could have been teased out as we would have seen previously and interspersed with the night kings army attacking the Umbers, more around the plot and actual freeing of Yara and possibly a skirmish between the eastwatch party and the nightking as they returned to Winterfell to keep the people who just want crash/bang/wallop happy.

I've enjoyed both episodes, I'd happily wait longer for the battle scenes, they were never the most important or best thing about GOT for me, excellent and all as they are.

Tell me how · 23-04-2019 08:02AM

Yermande wrote: »

We're all entitled to conflicting opinions. And I can assure you, my expectations for each Game of Thrones episode are not awfully high. It's an entertaining romp and worth discussing in threads like this, but in any given year it hasn't even made my top 25 TV shows or movies.

:eek::eek::eek:

What, pray tell, has? For last year for example.

Mousewar · 23-04-2019 08:04AM

Good episode. I do, however, think it was slightly contrived in how they were clearly doing scenes to make sure we are invested in characters that are about to die.
I've never seen anyone more about to die than Brienne. She might as well throw herself off a bridge now. Gren, Podrick, Gendry, Eyepatch. All dead soon. Thormund most likely as well.

Cina · 23-04-2019 08:22AM

"omg season seven sucks, time-warps everywhere, too much going on, when we gonna see characters talking to each other ffs"

*18 months later*

"OMFG season 8 sucks when they gonna get to the damn battles n sh*t and stop talking"

IAMAMORON · 23-04-2019 08:23AM

From now on in its just going to be character death after character death. It reminds me of talent show contestants getting the public vote results at the end of the show.

John Snow ....... your safe
Sansa Stark ....... your safe
Brienne of tarth ...... you might not be safe
John's pal from the nights watch ,the other guy who isnt samwell tarly ...... i am sorry pal start screaming like a banshee its eternal desth for you.
Davis Seaworth ..... you might not be safe.

Wheres Melissandre anyway ?

s3rtvdbwfj81ch · 23-04-2019 08:28AM

Tell me how wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

What, pray tell, has? For last year for example.

Emerdale, corrie, home and away, neighbours, hollyoaks

that kind of thing

Unearthly · 23-04-2019 08:41AM

The waiting between episodes is killing me

alchemist33 · 23-04-2019 08:47AM

Unearthly wrote: »

The waiting between episodes is killing me

Had trouble getting to sleep last night, I was so hyped for the next episode after no. 2. But that's what makes good TV IMO. The anticipation builds and it's all the better.

ERG89 · 23-04-2019 09:06AM

Unearthly wrote:

The waiting between episodes is killing me

I'm still at the stage of there are only 4 more episodes left....please don't go.

23-04-2019 09:08AM

Unearthly wrote: »

The waiting between episodes is killing me

Haha I feel your pain.

I was late to the game of thrones party so watched 4 series back to back. The day after I watched the last episode was what I imagine addicts feel when going cold turkey.

23-04-2019 09:15AM

They’re really going out of their way to make Dany seem hated. I wonder how that will end up panning out.

They did similar at the start of last season but then she redeemed herself. Will the same happen again?

So much to tie up in 4 episodes. White Walkers / Cersei / Dany + Jon

Bacchus · 23-04-2019 09:26AM

That was fantastic. The tension of the build-up to what will be an epic battle in which many of these wonderful characters will die was just perfect. The humour was perfectly placed to cut through that tension. I loved watching all the interactions between characters who have been on their own journeys for the past 7 seasons. Brienne's knighthood, and her friendship with Jamie in general, was probably one of the most touching scenes in the whole show (not that the show doles out the feel-good moments on a regular basis). I also quite liked the scene between Sam and Jorah. Sam's acceptance that he can do good in the fight and passing his family sword on to the ever honourable Jorah. I can see Jorah having a big moment in the battle... maybe killing a White Walker.

Speaking of weapons, cannot wait to see what Arye has planned with that staff. Interesting how she wanted to know more about how the dead moved. Is she planning on blending in with them to get to the Knight King? Or maybe she'll be lying in wait near Bran.

If there's one aspect of the last two episodes that has kind of dissapointed, it's that it's all very "what you see is what you get". It's been a great build up to the battle but there's no backstabbing or sub-plots happening in the midst of it all. I guess everyone is so focused on the impending doom but there's not even a couple of assasins or spies from Cersei up there trying to off the Dragon Queen. It also feels very much like the Knight King story will end with this battle and we'll get three episodes focusing back on the fight for the throne. Which would probably be quite satisfying but not very original. I'm hoping for something big and unexpected to happen here that will turn those expectations for the final episodes on its head. I'm hoping Bran is having a "it was the only way" type moment (ala Dr. Strange in Avengers) letting the Knight King kill him to serve some greater plan to ultimately defeat him.

On death speculation for the battle. I don't feel good for Jamie. I interpreted the comment from Bran "how do you know there's an afterwards" as a hint that Jamie doesn't survive the battle. I think he'll go for the Knight King and die doing so. Greyworm has to be at risk too. He's survived too many times, he's made plans with his girl to get a villa in Lanzarote. He's as good as gone I reckon. Theon could be another one to go. His story finishes perfectly if he were to die defending Bran.

osarusan · 23-04-2019 09:31AM

mike_ie wrote: »

Hmm....hiding all the noncombatants in a crypt full of dead bodies when your enemies can raise the dead has... a certain obvious flaw as a plan.

Question for those who follow things more closely than I do - do they have the ability to raise all the dead, or just those that they kill? I thought it was just the latter.

Will we see Ygritte joining them, as she's currently buried north of the wall?

23-04-2019 09:35AM

shrewdness wrote: »

I bet he was asking Bran about the Night King, trying to find out any details that may help in the battle. I feel like Tyrion has a major part to play here.

That's the second significant conversation with tyrion that we know nothing about recently. He convinced cersi to fight for the living behind closed doors, even though she didn't mean it. Tyrion is up to something.

Tell me how · 23-04-2019 09:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's the second significant conversation with tyrion that we know nothing about recently. He convinced cersi to fight for the living behind closed doors, even though she didn't mean it. Tyrion is up to something.

If he is, I think we should have been let in on it somehow. If something dramatic happens near the end and he says he was planning it all along, there isn't much fun in that, it's much better to see him conniving such as when he told various people he was making a match between Myrcella and suitors so he could find out who was running to Cersei.

Ave Sodalis · 23-04-2019 09:37AM

osarusan wrote:

Will we see Ygritte joining them, as she's currently buried north of the wall?

She was burned, so nope!

Plopsu · 23-04-2019 09:38AM

Anybody else think that when Thormund said, "knight you ten times", he was actually thinking "ten times a night".

Next episode, I want to see Lyanna Mormont busting undead skull with a morningstar (she strikes me as a morningstar kinda girl).

Penn · 23-04-2019 09:38AM

osarusan wrote: »

Question for those who follow things more closely than I do - do they have the ability to raise all the dead, or just those that they kill? I thought it was just the latter.

Will we see Ygritte joining them, as she's currently buried north of the wall?

I would have thought it was all the dead, as I think in earlier seasons when wildlings or the night's watch men were killed North of the Wall by each other, they were always told to burn the bodies. So we won't see Ygritte either as she wasn't buried; Jon burned her body on a pyre.

I'm not sure I agree with the theory of the dead in the crypts being raised. Just seems a bit corny to me. I'd just rather see some wights or walkers get through to the crypts themselves and see a fight happen in there.

osarusan · 23-04-2019 09:53AM

Yes of course, forgot she was burned.

Irishcrx · 23-04-2019 10:02AM

Brilliant episode , I watched it twice...it's been a perfect build up for the characters and I loved the sense of everything starting to come full circle , even the forboding song was excellent...

One minor niggle was questioning the night king and if he can be harmed by Dragon fire , we've already seen that he can't be during the season 7 finale beyond the wall... when he takes the spear and aims for Viserion he walks through dragon fire and it's extinguished out of his path so I don't think that will be working for them..

I'd agree with a few here though and don't think it will be this simple , either the night king has taken part of his forces elsewhere but they also haven't properly considered Viserion he could do a lot of damage to Winterfell defences very quickly if not engaged...IMO NK will attack the crypts and anyone down there is in danger *Cough Gilly*

Also think Ayra will blend in with the dead using her 'Faceless' ability..

Tazzimus · 23-04-2019 10:04AM

Calling it now, Milisandre to appear and save the day with a big ass fire demon/R'hllor and then be killed by the NK as he dies.

kingshankly · 23-04-2019 10:05AM

This episode was definitely needed was our last chance to see the characters we have come to love before the mother of all battles
Next week is going to be incredible only downside is it’s a battle in the dark will be a lot of squinting at the tv

Roar · 23-04-2019 10:34AM

A good point I heard on the Still Watching Game of Thrones podcast that stuck with me - the best way to approach this season is as one long movie, broken up into 6 acts. I'd imagine when this season is over and we can watch them all back to back they'll flow perfectly into one another.

The first two episodes have been great at scene setting at tension building. Feel now that I'm ready for sh!t to hit the fan next week.

Tabnabs · 23-04-2019 10:38AM

In the closing scenes of this episode, the greetings of old friends, lovers and allies, it was clearly the last time they will be together, one will not make it out alive, it was their last scene together, hence the poignancy.

It's the final shuffle of the cards and the cards still in play will be very different after this battle. It would have made sense to have episode 1 and 2 as a back to back feature length episode.

Daenery was clearly unhappy with Jon usurping her claim to the throne in one foul swoop. And despite her little speech to Sansa, she is a Targaryen and will play the game of kingship by the rules and will kill Jon if he stands in the way of her claim. The final battle for the throne will be a all female affair between Cersei and Daeny.

alchemist33 · 23-04-2019 10:44AM

Bacchus wrote: »

That was fantastic. The tension of the build-up to what will be an epic battle in which many of these wonderful characters will die was just perfect. The humour was perfectly placed to cut through that tension. I loved watching all the interactions between characters who have been on their own journeys for the past 7 seasons. Brienne's knighthood, and her friendship with Jamie in general, was probably one of the most touching scenes in the whole show (not that the show doles out the feel-good moments on a regular basis). I also quite liked the scene between Sam and Jorah. Sam's acceptance that he can do good in the fight and passing his family sword on to the ever honourable Jorah. I can see Jorah having a big moment in the battle... maybe killing a White Walker.

Speaking of weapons, cannot wait to see what Arye has planned with that staff. Interesting how she wanted to know more about how the dead moved. Is she planning on blending in with them to get to the Knight King? Or maybe she'll be lying in wait near Bran.

If there's one aspect of the last two episodes that has kind of dissapointed, it's that it's all very "what you see is what you get". It's been a great build up to the battle but there's no backstabbing or sub-plots happening in the midst of it all. I guess everyone is so focused on the impending doom but there's not even a couple of assasins or spies from Cersei up there trying to off the Dragon Queen. It also feels very much like the Knight King story will end with this battle and we'll get three episodes focusing back on the fight for the throne. Which would probably be quite satisfying but not very original. I'm hoping for something big and unexpected to happen here that will turn those expectations for the final episodes on its head. I'm hoping Bran is having a "it was the only way" type moment (ala Dr. Strange in Avengers) letting the Knight King kill him to serve some greater plan to ultimately defeat him.

On death speculation for the battle. I don't feel good for Jamie. I interpreted the comment from Bran "how do you know there's an afterwards" as a hint that Jamie doesn't survive the battle. I think he'll go for the Knight King and die doing so. Greyworm has to be at risk too. He's survived too many times, he's made plans with his girl to get a villa in Lanzarote. He's as good as gone I reckon. Theon could be another one to go. His story finishes perfectly if he were to die defending Bran.

I don't think the stortline with the dead will end next week. I suspect it'll be indecisive and both plotlines (the dead, the throne) will be interlinked in the climax (which will probably be halfway through the final episode, leaving loose ends to be tied up for the last half hour, like an epilogue)

23-04-2019 10:48AM

So who’s gonna be with who?

Brienne, Jaime & pod?
Bran is with Theon.
Tyrian is in crypt with Gilly. Is Sansa there?
Grey worm has already left the confines of the castle.

magic_murph · 23-04-2019 10:56AM

Anybody else think the whole thing will feel rushed when it's all said and done?
Trying to wrap up such a wide reaching story in 6 (really only 4 ) episode seems like a big ask.
enjoying it all so far - some issues with certain parts of the past two episodes but nothing that takes away from the show as a whole.

"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 2 "A Knight of the 7" - Spoilers post 2 fo

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