Hole in the Wall Gang ??

um7y1h83ge06nx · 19-04-2019 7:49pm

I heard it's Republican Travelers.

MrFresh · 19-04-2019 7:58pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

LOL
Good one

The Gardai keep falling for the banana in the tail pipe.

They caught them the last time.

19-04-2019 8:02pm

Doff wrote: »

How do they even get the ATMs out? Asking for a friend.

Brute force, remove the surrounding wall, then hook it out with the bucket and drop into a getaway vehicle.

There's CCTV videos around showing the entire job being done.

veryangryman · 19-04-2019 8:06pm

One line i'm hearing from people i chat to is that this is what is funding the RA activity, yet very little in the media is joining the dots on it.

It kind of eerily makes a link with the last 24 hours. Could of course be coincidental.

Poor Uncle Tom · 19-04-2019 8:09pm

They have many means of gathering funds, none legal, the ATM's are probably at the less violent end of the scale, deplorable all the same.

scamalert · 19-04-2019 8:19pm

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Maybe it'll increase the amount of guards on patrol.

We definitely need more recruitment and patrols.

Im sure more than likely it'll be the amadans copycats who'll get caught rather than the professional outfit.

Case close lol

problem is that most likely the gangs who carry those out would be armed with real weapons, not some baton and pepper spray.

thou dont imagine this will keep up long if same technique keeps being used, its far to lucky to get so many so far.
what irks me is that every branch has now 5-10atms yet one window open to do business -cost cutting. Even stolen cash can easily be written off by banks.

But as said if someone manages to get truck low loader,digger etc why bother with atms, 60k think is the max could be stored then again you never know how much will be left after a day. yet machinery like that could run easily 20k.

bodhrandude · 19-04-2019 9:04pm

septictank wrote: »

2, and I'll raise you another 2.

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2019/0419/1043533-atm-kells/

You'd nearly think the "Lads" were putting together a fighting fund for events further down the road.

What i don't get, the alarm was raised at 4 AM. the Gardai station is 500 metres away yet they arrive on the scene 20 minutes later, thats why these fellahs have not been caught, they are offsky at 4.05 AM giving about 15 to twenty miles head start of the Guards. Although I can't imagine Kells having an active crack team waiting to pounce when the alarm goes off.

mickdw · 19-04-2019 9:52pm

I've a feeling the gardai are not in any hurry to the scene of these robberies.
Given who it is thought are involved, they are likely armed and dangerous.
It is an unsafe situation for an unarmed ordinary garda to walk into.

scamalert · 19-04-2019 10:07pm

mickdw wrote: »

I've a feeling the gardai are not in any hurry to the scene of these robberies.
Given who it is thought are involved, they are likely armed and dangerous.
It is an unsafe situation for an unarmed ordinary garda to walk into.

well definitely not worth risk, but shows that response time is a joke, as station is few minutes away, most likely 1 person sitting thou.Then add to that that any more units would be 15-20min away at best, so no wonder they get away.

One_More_Mile · 19-04-2019 10:13pm

mickdw wrote: »

I've a feeling the gardai are not in any hurry to the scene of these robberies.
Given who it is thought are involved, they are likely armed and dangerous.
It is an unsafe situation for an unarmed ordinary garda to walk into.

If you were being kicked to death on O Connell street they'd be nowhere to be seen either. Plenty around checking for tax/nct though

Wildly Boaring · 19-04-2019 10:35pm

ATM stolen in mitchelstown wednesday.

One of the small ones in filling station. Maxol at the north end of town.

All phone and power lines cut at 3 or 4am.

Just about in local paper. Wonder how much of this is going on around the place?

DwightSchrute1 · 19-04-2019 11:29pm

One_More_Mile wrote: »

If you were being kicked to death on O Connell street they'd be nowhere to be seen either. Plenty around checking for tax/nct though

Well unless everyone in the country is issued their own personal Garda, the guards can't be everywhere the minute a crime takes place.

Hedgelayer · 19-04-2019 11:43pm

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

ATM stolen in mitchelstown wednesday.

One of the small ones in filling station. Maxol at the north end of town.

All phone and power lines cut at 3 or 4am.

Just about in local paper. Wonder how much of this is going on around the place?

Mitchelstown, im not surprised it's all coming together now thats for sure....

Hedgelayer · 19-04-2019 11:46pm

DwightSchrute1 wrote: »

Well unless everyone in the country is issued their own personal Garda, the guards can't be everywhere the minute a crime takes place.

Enjoying the doughnuts and coffee or is it a chicken burger

Atlantic Dawn · 20-04-2019 1:03am

If there's any stolen tonight the ballgame will get real.

freshpopcorn · 20-04-2019 1:23am

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

ATM stolen in mitchelstown wednesday.

One of the small ones in filling station. Maxol at the north end of town.

All phone and power lines cut at 3 or 4am.

Just about in local paper. Wonder how much of this is going on around the place?

They wrecked the phone lines.
Broadband didn't come back until 17:50.
There was a fleet of Eir van's trying to fix it during the day.

Atlantic Dawn · 20-04-2019 1:47am

freshpopcorn wrote: »

They wrecked the phone lines.
Broadband didn't come back until 17:50.
There was a fleet of Eir van's trying to fix it during the day.

Most people now have a mobile, wrecking the phone lines was a little 1980's, I suppose the window twitcher brigade would use the landline.

On a side note why did people not rob ATM's with diggers 30 or 40 years ago? Much less technology then to track them and digger technology was pretty much as it is now.

Dante7 · 20-04-2019 1:49am

They're freezing the dye packs. The ATM manufacturers simply need to install thermostats and gravity triggers.

highdef · 20-04-2019 1:52am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Anyone else suspect a link between all these bits of plant machinery being left within easy distance of an ATM machine and those who are robbing same?

Why the need to say "machine" twice in succession? It's like saying PIN Number.
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freshpopcorn · 20-04-2019 1:53am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Most people now have a mobile, wrecking the phone lines was a little 1980's, I suppose the window twitcher brigade would use the landline.

On a side note why did people not rob ATM's with diggers 30 or 40 years ago? Much less technology then to track them and digger technology was pretty much as it is now.

I was thinking wrecking the phone lines had something to do with the alarm system.(I'm not an expert tough.)
From my understanding they just stole the cash in this case.

Atlantic Dawn · 20-04-2019 1:55am

All the effort criminals went to with trying to rob cash in transit vans when all they needed to do was rob the machine itself that the vans were delivering this cash to, I'd say there's a few people in Mountjoy tonight feeling like idiots.

gctest50 · 20-04-2019 2:18am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

All the effort criminals went to with trying to rob cash in transit vans when all they needed to do was rob the machine itself that the vans were delivering this cash to, I'd say there's a few people in Mountjoy tonight feeling like idiots.

Or just rip the van open with an excavator

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/03/gang-steals-23m-government-security-van-italy-ripping-back-open/

Anyway from their point of view it's better than tiger kidnapping of bank managers

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freshpopcorn · 20-04-2019 2:55am

I watched the old episodes of Crimewatch UK on YouTube( I know I'm odd).
The cash in transit robbers used be great. They often showed the members of the public chasing the gang. They robbe4d generally had a Ford Orion!

irishgeo · 20-04-2019 3:17am

The cash in transit van i seen lately had a sticker on the van saying glue pack or something like that on whats that about?

DwightSchrute1 · 20-04-2019 5:09am

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Enjoying the doughnuts and coffee or is it a chicken burger

Hilarious. No I'm not a guard, I just don't get how people expect guards to be at the scene of every crime instantly, almost before it happens when there are clearly not enough of them

Oops! · 20-04-2019 5:12am

Well in fairness the station was only 500 yards down the road... And they took 2 out of the walls on either side of the road... They were'nt exactly gone in 60 seconds.

Colonel Claptrap · 20-04-2019 6:43am

One_More_Mile wrote: »

If you were being kicked to death on O Connell street they'd be nowhere to be seen either. Plenty around checking for tax/nct though

I don't usually frequent the area, but I've walked up O'Connell street a dozen times this year. Each time I've seen at least one garda standing at the junction of Henry street or outside the GPO.

None of them were stopping cars for tax/nct either.

Colonel Claptrap · 20-04-2019 6:50am

scamalert wrote: »

But as said if someone manages to get truck low loader,digger etc why bother with atms, 60k think is the max could be stored then again you never know how much will be left after a day. yet machinery like that could run easily 20k.

ATMs are filled to the brim the night before a bank holiday weekend. That way no bank worker is required to come in and refill it on their 'bank holiday'. This is especially true on Holy Thursday with 4 days of cash needed.

punisher5112 · 20-04-2019 6:52am

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

I don't usually frequent the area, but I've walked up O'Connell street a dozen times this year. Each time I've seen at least one garda standing at the junction of Henry street or outside the GPO.

None of them were stopping cars for tax/nct either.

There is meant to be one on stance there but not always there.

They do absolutely nothing.

Colonel Claptrap · 20-04-2019 7:01am

punisher5112 wrote: »

There is meant to be one on stance there but not always there.

They do absolutely nothing.

If you were being kicked to death would "they do absolutely nothing"?

DwightSchrute1 · 20-04-2019 7:03am

Oops! wrote: »

Well in fairness the station was only 500 yards down the road... And they took 2 out of the walls on either side of the road... They were'nt exactly gone in 60 seconds.

Who's to say they were in the station at that time and not somewhere else. Unless the guards are notified immediately when the gang arrive, the gang will always have a substantial head start.

Colonel Claptrap · 20-04-2019 7:05am

DwightSchrute1 wrote: »

Who's to say they were in the station at that time and not somewhere else. Unless the guards are notified immediately when the gang arrive, the gang will always have a substantial head start.

I reckon they were watching the station until the squad car left.

Hoboo · 20-04-2019 7:11am

Volume105 wrote: »

If I were robbing a an atm on a town main street I'd create misdirection. For example, an hour before the planned robbery set a car on fire somewhere that would be awkward and time consuming for the guardai, then have the route back obstructed with a chopped down tree.

Back in the town have a series of manned posts strategically placed to ready to cause further distractions.

You and 20 lads.

mfceiling · 20-04-2019 7:15am

Why don't they have security bollards in front of the machine?

Because the arm on a track machine would just reach over it and rip out the machine. It's like holding a dwarf at arms length and punching him with your other hand.

Most machines are easily accessible for theft and unfortunately part of the design process for installing them didn't factor in that they'd be ripped from the wall using a track machine with a huge arm.

Also most of the older machines are very easily started...a Lucas key or a screwdriver and away you go.

no.8 · 20-04-2019 7:45am

Could be that we're about to see a new bank on the market run by 'the boys'.

On another note, I look forward to the day they are caught in the act and one or all of them are shot

IAMAMORON · 20-04-2019 9:22am

no.8 wrote: »

Could be that we're about to see a new bank on the market run by 'the boys'.

On another note, I look forward to the day they are caught in the act and one or all of them are shot

Wow, now you seem a charm altogether.....

mickdw · 20-04-2019 10:05am

The banks need to remodel to stop this.
Better locations for machines and better installs.
Looking at one yesterday, the machine was installed in an old door opening. Even left the overhead glass panel in place it seems. Talk about making it straight forward for the digger.

punisher5112 · 20-04-2019 10:14am

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

If you were being kicked to death would "they do absolutely nothing"?

Knowing my luck most likely as I've been attacked in work numerous times and seen others attacked in the city and they drive on by.

The armed units are as much use as a chocolate engine in as far as the most I see them do is tapping away at their phones or on calls.

You can actually get away with any traffic infringement from what I see daily.

The J Stands for Jay · 20-04-2019 10:20am

Edgware wrote: »

Why not just withdraw use of the A.T.M.s for a few months. Let the innocent suffer as usual

Sure cash is only used by criminals and money launderers these days. Ban cash transactions and we'll see these ATM thefts fade away.

The J Stands for Jay · 20-04-2019 10:30am

highdef wrote: »

Why the need to say "machine" twice in succession? It's like saying PIN Number.
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Are you trying to get me to give you my personal PIN number?

Atlantic Dawn · 20-04-2019 10:37am

I suppose unless 100 ATM's are stolen in a year it won't become an issue that the banks will want to invest in a proper solution for, the cost wouldn't be justified.

fryup · 20-04-2019 10:53am

mickdw wrote: »

I've a feeling the gardai are not in any hurry to the scene of these robberies.
Given who it is thought are involved, they are likely armed and dangerous.
It is an unsafe situation for an unarmed ordinary garda to walk into.

yep, the garda station in kells is just up the road and yet they didn't get there in time???...

The garda station is just over 500 metres away from John Street but gardaí said they arrived at the scene within minutes of receiving the call

RTE link

septictank · 20-04-2019 11:13am

There are 3200 atm's in the republic, not sure how many are outside at banks, which I haven't used in years or inside ones at supermarkets which I use the odd time.

Don't think there's a need to have so many, they'll become like public phones, just gone.

JohnnyFlash · 20-04-2019 11:18am

Is it a traveller gang or a republican group that are carrying out these robberies?

FishOnABike · 20-04-2019 11:19am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I suppose unless 100 ATM's are stolen in a year it won't become an issue that the banks will want to invest in a proper solution for, the cost wouldn't be justified.

Do the banks self insure for this (lost cash + damage) or do they insure through an external insurance provider ?

If self insured they will only act on a cost / benefit basis. If externally insured the risk must be rapidly reaching the point of being uninsurable either by rising premium or outright refusal to cover the risk at which point it's back to cost / benefit.

At the current rate of ATM robberies the number of easy targets must be reducing fairly quickly though how easy the culprits make it appear must increase the risk of copycat robberies - four in one night is hardly the work of one gang.

Esel · 20-04-2019 6:23pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Is it a traveller gang or a republican group that are carrying out these robberies?

One hand washes the other.

mynamejeff · 20-04-2019 7:44pm

mfceiling wrote: »

. It's like holding a dwarf at arms length and punching him with your other hand.

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Infernal Racket · 20-04-2019 9:48pm

bodhrandude wrote: »

What i don't get, the alarm was raised at 4 AM. the Gardai station is 500 metres away yet they arrive on the scene 20 minutes later, thats why these fellahs have not been caught, they are offsky at 4.05 AM giving about 15 to twenty miles head start of the Guards. Although I can't imagine Kells having an active crack team waiting to pounce when the alarm goes off.

The Guards were at the scene in 3 minutes

Infernal Racket · 20-04-2019 9:49pm

scamalert wrote: »

well definitely not worth risk, but shows that response time is a joke, as station is few minutes away, most likely 1 person sitting thou.Then add to that that any more units would be 15-20min away at best, so no wonder they get away.

Response time was 3 mins

Infernal Racket · 20-04-2019 9:52pm

Oops! wrote: »

Well in fairness the station was only 500 yards down the road... And they took 2 out of the walls on either side of the road... They were'nt exactly gone in 60 seconds.

Believe it or not they were gone in just over 3 minutes

Hole in the Wall Gang ??

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