An Taisce Green Schools

dmakc · 04-04-2019 10:45AM #1

Has this been distributed to schools yet anyone know?

Where is the "I will ask my parents to not fly to four countries this year" option. Madness.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ifa-calls-for-an-taisce-propaganda-pack-to-be-withdrawn-from-schools/

https://greenschoolsireland.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Green-Schools-Climate-Action-Teacher-Resource.pdf

_Brian · 04-04-2019 10:51AM

Any high points.
I don’t have the will to look through a 44page document.

dmakc · 04-04-2019 10:56AM

_Brian wrote: »

Any high points.
I don’t have the will to look through a 44page document.

In addition to above

greenschools@antaisce.org

I'll be dropping them a mail anyway

G-Man · 04-04-2019 02:25PM

The bashers will get angry at this, while the smart ones will get ahead of it.. Peoples tastes are changing.. People are eating less meat and dairy. Farmers are foolish to ignore that and feel threatened.

But get this, the people eating less meat will probably buy higher quality, meat dairy, veg and grains. Where are irish farmers getting on to that.

_Brian · 04-04-2019 02:33PM

G-Man wrote: »

The bashers will get angry at this, while the smart ones will get ahead of it.. Peoples tastes are changing.. People are eating less meat and dairy. Farmers are foolish to ignore that and feel threatened.

But get this, the people eating less meat will probably buy higher quality, meat dairy, veg and grains. Where are irish farmers getting on to that.

Irish beef and dairy products are among the best there are. We have superior grass growing conditions here to produce it. As a group Irish farmers are well educated and great at what they do. That’s where we’re getting onto that, we’re doing already !

What we need is consumers to support that by only buying Irish products and challenging retailers importing cheap nasty products that undermines our economy.

We need legislative support from government to stop the processors abusing their monopoly of power and driving prices down in a never ending race to the bottom.

alps · 04-04-2019 02:57PM

G-Man wrote: »

The bashers will get angry at this, while the smart ones will get ahead of it.. Peoples tastes are changing.. People are eating less meat and dairy. Farmers are foolish to ignore that and feel threatened.

But get this, the people eating less meat will probably buy higher quality, meat dairy, veg and grains. Where are irish farmers getting on to that.

"Probably"???

blue5000 · 04-04-2019 03:50PM

On rte radio 1 now, no one from an taisce showed up for the interview.

dmakc · 04-04-2019 03:55PM

blue5000 wrote: »

On rte radio 1 now, no one from an taisce showed up for the interview.

Anyone from IFA etc?

Base price · 04-04-2019 04:36PM

Article about it in the Farming Indo today
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/forestry-enviro/environment/teachers-to-tell-children-to-eat-less-meat-in-controversial-climate-change-document-37982956.html

Say my name · 04-04-2019 05:59PM

G-Man wrote: »

The bashers will get angry at this, while the smart ones will get ahead of it.. Peoples tastes are changing.. People are eating less meat and dairy. Farmers are foolish to ignore that and feel threatened.

But get this, the people eating less meat will probably buy higher quality, meat dairy, veg and grains. Where are irish farmers getting on to that.

The thing is the 'traditional' farmers diet has led to the majority to have a long and happy life in this country.

By traditional I mean dairy, fish, eggs, pork, bacon, a bit of game, cabbage, carrots, spuds, turnip, -- veg and home grown fruit and not abusing the black stuff or tobacco.

Now you have these hip young whipper snappers telling these farmers that "oh no you're wrong you should be eating this new Quorn pie with palm oil or avocados or soya" or whatever stuff being flown half way across the world and processed by some multinational.

You'd be a little bit peeved off at these young whipper snappers ignorance too if you were a farmer in this country.

blue5000 · 04-04-2019 06:56PM

dmakc wrote: »

Anyone from IFA etc?

Joe Healy, but the interview got side tracked into the old debate, 'cows belch but our cows are more carbon friendly than Brazilian cows'.

Panch18 · 04-04-2019 07:53PM

Wow it seems there’s nothing these f””kers won’t poke there nose in

It’s amazing that this propaganda machine posing as a “charity” is allowed to get away with this

A firm stand needed here

Panch18 · 04-04-2019 07:55PM

blue5000 wrote: »

On rte radio 1 now, no one from an taisce showed up for the interview.

Do you think that people from an taisce are going to belittle themselves to talk to shoddy polluting farmers in public. Well I never

whelan2 · 04-04-2019 08:55PM

On prime time now

noodler · 04-04-2019 08:59PM

Say my name wrote: »

The thing is the 'traditional' farmers diet has led to the majority to have a long and happy life in this country.

By traditional I mean dairy, fish, eggs, pork, bacon, a bit of game, cabbage, carrots, spuds, turnip, -- veg and home grown fruit and not abusing the black stuff or tobacco.

Now you have these hip young whipper snappers telling these farmers that "oh no you're wrong you should be eating this new Quorn pie with palm oil or avocados or soya" or whatever stuff being flown half way across the world and processed by some multinational.

You'd be a little bit peeved off at these young whipper snappers ignorance too if you were a farmer in this country.

Hmm not sure about that argument tbh.

The vast majority of our farmers produce is exported. A few people here reducing their consumption of red meat and/or dairy is hardly here nor there.

Its tastes changing abroad which are the bigger issue and there's **** all anyone here can do about that.

Wheeliebin30 · 04-04-2019 09:01PM

Who is this moron ??

Del.Monte · 04-04-2019 09:15PM

For the life of me I cannot understand why transport (planes and cars in particular) seem to have little affect on the environment whereas cows belching have caused global warming - and I am an environmentalist rather than a farmer. As for An Taisce....

elperello · 04-04-2019 09:19PM

Sledgehammer to crack a nut (roast).

gk5000 · 04-04-2019 09:57PM

This is propaganda - not education.

It really is despicable - no matter whether you agree with it or not.
Children should not be used to promote political ends.

In fact - there should be some constitutional protection from this kind of brainwashing - again whether you agree with the sentiment or not. Children should not be pawns.

dmakc · 04-04-2019 10:03PM

Poor from the taisce representative. Dietary advice is explicit in the resource pack yet he blindly denies it while trying to change the subject.

Joe did fine and it seemed there was a statement at the end from the government about a potential change to the pack coming?

Panch18 · 04-04-2019 10:19PM

dmakc wrote: »

Poor from the taisce representative. Dietary advice is explicit in the resource pack yet he blindly denies it while trying to change the subject.

Joe did fine and it seemed there was a statement at the end from the government about a potential change to the pack coming?

It’s pure political propaganda not seen since Nazi Germany started indoctrination nearly 100 years ago

And the cheek of the f””ker to come on live national television and say it wasn’t agenda driven and practically deny there was anything in there about agri is a joke

It’s about time that An Taisce was disbanded and it is being run by people who are solely out to drive their own political agenda.

We should be pushing to shut them down

Panch18 · 04-04-2019 10:21PM

Also it’s amazing that not every farmer on boards isn’t commenting on this

This sort of carry on has the potential to destroy farming in Ireland for generations. They are using the children to get meat and dairy consumption down

We need to be sure we have the stomach for the fight, because these crowd certainly don’t fight fair

evolving_doors · 04-04-2019 10:28PM

what are the average annual methane and co2 emissions of a cow?

Also how much land would one cow take up?

What would be the output of vegetables grown on that same portion of land?

TheBoyConor · 04-04-2019 10:29PM

_Brian wrote: »

. As a group Irish farmers are well educated and great at what they do.

While I'm sure there are many that are well educated and responsible in how they manage their land and farms, I don't think it is anywhere near being universal.

I see an awful lot of ignorance and poor practice on Irish farms too. Sometimes it is ignorance or ingrained outdated thinking at best and other times it's downright intentionally destructive practices. Eg, removal of hedgerows to create bigger fields, or replace with fences because it's easier to manage without a single thought given to the fact that it absolutely exterminates any kind of biodiversity on that land.
Of, course it should not be done and in most cases is illegal. But you do still get the odd ignorant fook that this they are above all that. And they are not that rare either

elperello · 04-04-2019 10:31PM

Panch18 wrote: »

It’s pure political propaganda not seen since Nazi Germany started indoctrination nearly 100 years ago

And the cheek of the f””ker to come on live national television and say it wasn’t agenda driven and practically deny there was anything in there about agri is a joke

It’s about time that An Taisce was disbanded and it is being run by people who are solely out to drive their own political agenda.

We should be pushing to shut them down

Would you not think that you are even the tiniest bit exaggerating?

Base price · 04-04-2019 10:35PM

Panch18 wrote: »

Also it’s amazing that not every farmer on boards isn’t commenting on this

This sort of carry on has the potential to destroy farming in Ireland for generations. They are using the children to get meat and dairy consumption down

We need to be sure we have the stomach for the fight, because these crowd certainly don’t fight fair

I don't have access to my laptop - where do they get their funding from.

Panch18 · 04-04-2019 10:35PM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

While I'm sure there are many that are well educated and responsible in how they manage their land and farms, I don't think it is anywhere near being universal.

I see an awful lot of ignorance and poor practice on Irish farms too. Sometimes it is ignorance or ingrained outdated thinking at best and other times it's downright intentionally destructive practices. Eg, removal of hedgerows to create bigger fields, or replace with fences because it's easier to manage without a single thought given to the fact that it absolutely exterminates any kind of biodiversity on that land.
Of, course it should not be done and in most cases is illegal. But you do still get the odd ignorant fook that this they are above all that. And they are not that rare either

You do know that nowadays you have to replace a hedge if you remove it

I assume you also know that for instance in the Reps scheme Irish farmers planted thousands of kilometres of hedges, to moscow on both sides of a road

Panch18 · 04-04-2019 10:35PM

elperello wrote: »

Would you not think that you are even the tiniest bit exaggerating?

Nope I don’t think I’m exaggerating in the slightest

Panch18 · 04-04-2019 10:37PM

Base price wrote: »

I don't have access to my laptop - where do they get their funding from.

Well a significant portion of it comes from you and me taxpayer via our wonderful government

Although I’m sure they are breaking some rule regarding declaration as they only list a tiny amount from the EPA

Some digging to be done

elperello · 04-04-2019 10:37PM

Panch18 wrote: »

Nope I don’t think I’m exaggerating in the slightest

Nazi Germany, there I leave you.
Ever hear of Godwins?

Panch18 · 04-04-2019 10:41PM

elperello wrote: »

Nazi Germany, there I leave you.
Ever hear of Godwins?

So you don’t think it’s pure propaganda or you do?

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