An Taisce Green Schools

dmakc

Has this been distributed to schools yet anyone know?

Where is the "I will ask my parents to not fly to four countries this year" option. Madness.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ifa-calls-for-an-taisce-propaganda-pack-to-be-withdrawn-from-schools/



https://greenschoolsireland.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Green-Schools-Climate-Action-Teacher-Resource.pdf

_Brian

Any high points.
I don’t have the will to look through a 44page document.

dmakc

_Brian wrote: »

Any high points.
I don’t have the will to look through a 44page document.

In addition to above



greenschools@antaisce.org

I'll be dropping them a mail anyway

G-Man

The bashers will get angry at this, while the smart ones will get ahead of it.. Peoples tastes are changing.. People are eating less meat and dairy. Farmers are foolish to ignore that and feel threatened.

But get this, the people eating less meat will probably buy higher quality, meat dairy, veg and grains. Where are irish farmers getting on to that.

_Brian

G-Man wrote: »

The bashers will get angry at this, while the smart ones will get ahead of it.. Peoples tastes are changing.. People are eating less meat and dairy. Farmers are foolish to ignore that and feel threatened.

But get this, the people eating less meat will probably buy higher quality, meat dairy, veg and grains. Where are irish farmers getting on to that.

Irish beef and dairy products are among the best there are. We have superior grass growing conditions here to produce it. As a group Irish farmers are well educated and great at what they do. That’s where we’re getting onto that, we’re doing already !

What we need is consumers to support that by only buying Irish products and challenging retailers importing cheap nasty products that undermines our economy.

We need legislative support from government to stop the processors abusing their monopoly of power and driving prices down in a never ending race to the bottom.

alps

G-Man wrote: »

The bashers will get angry at this, while the smart ones will get ahead of it.. Peoples tastes are changing.. People are eating less meat and dairy. Farmers are foolish to ignore that and feel threatened.

But get this, the people eating less meat will probably buy higher quality, meat dairy, veg and grains. Where are irish farmers getting on to that.

"Probably"???

blue5000

On rte radio 1 now, no one from an taisce showed up for the interview.

dmakc

blue5000 wrote: »

On rte radio 1 now, no one from an taisce showed up for the interview.

Anyone from IFA etc?

Base price

Article about it in the Farming Indo today
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/forestry-enviro/environment/teachers-to-tell-children-to-eat-less-meat-in-controversial-climate-change-document-37982956.html

Say my name

G-Man wrote: »

The bashers will get angry at this, while the smart ones will get ahead of it.. Peoples tastes are changing.. People are eating less meat and dairy. Farmers are foolish to ignore that and feel threatened.

But get this, the people eating less meat will probably buy higher quality, meat dairy, veg and grains. Where are irish farmers getting on to that.

The thing is the 'traditional' farmers diet has led to the majority to have a long and happy life in this country.

By traditional I mean dairy, fish, eggs, pork, bacon, a bit of game, cabbage, carrots, spuds, turnip, -- veg and home grown fruit and not abusing the black stuff or tobacco.

Now you have these hip young whipper snappers telling these farmers that "oh no you're wrong you should be eating this new Quorn pie with palm oil or avocados or soya" or whatever stuff being flown half way across the world and processed by some multinational.

You'd be a little bit peeved off at these young whipper snappers ignorance too if you were a farmer in this country.

blue5000

dmakc wrote: »

Anyone from IFA etc?

Joe Healy, but the interview got side tracked into the old debate, 'cows belch but our cows are more carbon friendly than Brazilian cows'.

Panch18

Wow it seems there’s nothing these f””kers won’t poke there nose in

It’s amazing that this propaganda machine posing as a “charity” is allowed to get away with this

A firm stand needed here

Panch18

blue5000 wrote: »

On rte radio 1 now, no one from an taisce showed up for the interview.

Do you think that people from an taisce are going to belittle themselves to talk to shoddy polluting farmers in public. Well I never

whelan2

On prime time now

noodler

Say my name wrote: »

The thing is the 'traditional' farmers diet has led to the majority to have a long and happy life in this country.

By traditional I mean dairy, fish, eggs, pork, bacon, a bit of game, cabbage, carrots, spuds, turnip, -- veg and home grown fruit and not abusing the black stuff or tobacco.

Now you have these hip young whipper snappers telling these farmers that "oh no you're wrong you should be eating this new Quorn pie with palm oil or avocados or soya" or whatever stuff being flown half way across the world and processed by some multinational.

You'd be a little bit peeved off at these young whipper snappers ignorance too if you were a farmer in this country.

Hmm not sure about that argument tbh.

The vast majority of our farmers produce is exported. A few people here reducing their consumption of red meat and/or dairy is hardly here nor there.

Its tastes changing abroad which are the bigger issue and there's **** all anyone here can do about that.

Wheeliebin30

Who is this moron ??

Del.Monte

For the life of me I cannot understand why transport (planes and cars in particular) seem to have little affect on the environment whereas cows belching have caused global warming - and I am an environmentalist rather than a farmer. As for An Taisce....

elperello

Sledgehammer to crack a nut (roast).

gk5000

This is propaganda - not education.


It really is despicable - no matter whether you agree with it or not.
Children should not be used to promote political ends.


In fact - there should be some constitutional protection from this kind of brainwashing - again whether you agree with the sentiment or not. Children should not be pawns.

dmakc

Poor from the taisce representative. Dietary advice is explicit in the resource pack yet he blindly denies it while trying to change the subject.

Joe did fine and it seemed there was a statement at the end from the government about a potential change to the pack coming?

Panch18

dmakc wrote: »

Poor from the taisce representative. Dietary advice is explicit in the resource pack yet he blindly denies it while trying to change the subject.

Joe did fine and it seemed there was a statement at the end from the government about a potential change to the pack coming?

It’s pure political propaganda not seen since Nazi Germany started indoctrination nearly 100 years ago

And the cheek of the f””ker to come on live national television and say it wasn’t agenda driven and practically deny there was anything in there about agri is a joke

It’s about time that An Taisce was disbanded and it is being run by people who are solely out to drive their own political agenda.

We should be pushing to shut them down

Panch18

Also it’s amazing that not every farmer on boards isn’t commenting on this

This sort of carry on has the potential to destroy farming in Ireland for generations. They are using the children to get meat and dairy consumption down

We need to be sure we have the stomach for the fight, because these crowd certainly don’t fight fair

evolving_doors

what are the average annual methane and co2 emissions of a cow?

Also how much land would one cow take up?

What would be the output of vegetables grown on that same portion of land?

TheBoyConor

_Brian wrote: »

. As a group Irish farmers are well educated and great at what they do.

While I'm sure there are many that are well educated and responsible in how they manage their land and farms, I don't think it is anywhere near being universal.

I see an awful lot of ignorance and poor practice on Irish farms too. Sometimes it is ignorance or ingrained outdated thinking at best and other times it's downright intentionally destructive practices. Eg, removal of hedgerows to create bigger fields, or replace with fences because it's easier to manage without a single thought given to the fact that it absolutely exterminates any kind of biodiversity on that land.
Of, course it should not be done and in most cases is illegal. But you do still get the odd ignorant fook that this they are above all that. And they are not that rare either

elperello

Panch18 wrote: »

It’s pure political propaganda not seen since Nazi Germany started indoctrination nearly 100 years ago

And the cheek of the f””ker to come on live national television and say it wasn’t agenda driven and practically deny there was anything in there about agri is a joke

It’s about time that An Taisce was disbanded and it is being run by people who are solely out to drive their own political agenda.

We should be pushing to shut them down

Would you not think that you are even the tiniest bit exaggerating?

Base price

Panch18 wrote: »

Also it’s amazing that not every farmer on boards isn’t commenting on this

This sort of carry on has the potential to destroy farming in Ireland for generations. They are using the children to get meat and dairy consumption down

We need to be sure we have the stomach for the fight, because these crowd certainly don’t fight fair

I don't have access to my laptop - where do they get their funding from.

Panch18

TheBoyConor wrote: »

While I'm sure there are many that are well educated and responsible in how they manage their land and farms, I don't think it is anywhere near being universal.

I see an awful lot of ignorance and poor practice on Irish farms too. Sometimes it is ignorance or ingrained outdated thinking at best and other times it's downright intentionally destructive practices. Eg, removal of hedgerows to create bigger fields, or replace with fences because it's easier to manage without a single thought given to the fact that it absolutely exterminates any kind of biodiversity on that land.
Of, course it should not be done and in most cases is illegal. But you do still get the odd ignorant fook that this they are above all that. And they are not that rare either

You do know that nowadays you have to replace a hedge if you remove it

I assume you also know that for instance in the Reps scheme Irish farmers planted thousands of kilometres of hedges, to moscow on both sides of a road

Panch18

elperello wrote: »

Would you not think that you are even the tiniest bit exaggerating?

Nope I don’t think I’m exaggerating in the slightest

Panch18

Base price wrote: »

I don't have access to my laptop - where do they get their funding from.

Well a significant portion of it comes from you and me taxpayer via our wonderful government

Although I’m sure they are breaking some rule regarding declaration as they only list a tiny amount from the EPA

Some digging to be done

elperello

Panch18 wrote: »

Nope I don’t think I’m exaggerating in the slightest

Nazi Germany, there I leave you.
Ever hear of Godwins?

Panch18

elperello wrote: »

Nazi Germany, there I leave you.
Ever hear of Godwins?

So you don’t think it’s pure propaganda or you do?

elperello

Panch18 wrote: »

So you don’t think it’s pure propaganda or you do?

Sorry for any confusion but I didn't make myself clear enough.
I'm not debating with someone who compares a small relatively ineffectual Irish environmental NGO to the Nazis.

wrangler

elperello wrote: »

Sorry for any confusion but I didn't make myself clear enough.
I'm not debating with someone who compares a small relatively ineffectual Irish environmental NGO to the Nazis.

Taisce are just another bunch of employees that can't be sacked for bullsh.....ng us.

Panch18

elperello wrote: »

Sorry for any confusion but I didn't make myself clear enough.
I'm not debating with someone who compares a small relatively ineffectual Irish environmental NGO to the Nazis.

That’s ok

You blaze attitude to them clearly shows that you have absolutely no idea what their motives are, what they are capable of and what they will do to push their own specific agenda

gctest50

Base price wrote: »

I don't have access to my laptop - where do they get their funding from.

You - that's where, about 3 million per year


Search here :

https://search.benefacts.ie/

Panch18

wrangler wrote: »

Taisce are just another bunch of employees that can't be sacked for bullsh.....ng us.

Oh they are much worse as they have free reign to do what they want, act how they want and say what they want. They don’t have the straight jacket of being in government or in a department

gctest50

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/an-taisce-planning-chief-told-his-airbnb-style-plan-seriously-injures-internationally-significant-building-915573.html


"An Bord Pleanála refusing planning permission to An Taisce's Heritage Officer, Ian Lumley and builder, Patrick Wigglesworth to convert the lower ground floor of their property at 3 Henrietta Street, Dublin into three short term lease studio apartments."




Just another filthy "charity"

Birdnuts

There was another story doing the rounds today that claimed bad diets are now the main cause of death worldwide -worse than smokes, genetic problems etc. It listed examples of poor diets and again red meat, dairy got a kicking. Its going to be very hard to hold back the massive tide of negativity flowing against Irelands main food exports:(

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0404/1040560-lancet-diet-study/

dmakc

Birdnuts wrote: »

There was another story doing the rounds today that claimed bad diets are now the main cause of death worldwide -worse than smokes, genetic problems etc. It listed examples of poor diets and again red meat, dairy got a kicking. Its going to be very hard to hold back the massive tide of negativity flowing against Irelands main food exports:(

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0404/1040560-lancet-diet-study/

That was discussed in the impossible burger thread - more EAT-Lancet propaganda this time funded by Bill Gates (major shareholder in the fake burger). The leading author conducted a report in 2015 stating ideally the world would eat no meat, so fairly easy see how he got the gig here.

I wish our journalists were even the least bit inquisitive when a corporation comes out with drastic headlines. Their research either stops the fact X number of scientists said this so it must be true, is copied from a rival gullable news outlet or in many cases basic clickbait (featuring punchlines that Lancet know to aim for in today's media driven world). All three cases get the people are talking

Nekarsulm

Can anyone explain why a charity, a Proscribed Body under the Planning and Development act, has suddenly decided to become active in matters dietry ?

http://www.antaisce.org/publications/prescribed-body-role

TheBoyConor

Panch18 wrote: »

You do know that nowadays you have to replace a hedge if you remove it

I assume you also know that for instance in the Reps scheme Irish farmers planted thousands of kilometres of hedges, to moscow on both sides of a road

That may be true, but a lot of ditches are still removed and not replaced. A neoghbour of mine also recently knocked a groove of trees that was there for many many years for no apparent reason and filled in a pond that was there in the middle of it. It used to be teaming, you'd hear the water hens and stuff in there. Now it's just a barren patch.

I also see people who keep hedges so manicured and shaved down into box shaped ditches that they couldn't possibly support much life. There is no need for cutting hedges so low. Let them a bit of height.

The stud industry is the worst offender. They shave ditches down to stumps almost or blow away ditches away entirely and replace them kilometers of with post and rail fencing.

They probably are not in the reps or other environmental schemes.

Still a lot of ignorant practices too. People burying platic or burning. You'd occasionally pass a farm that is so unkempt and messy that it resembles a rubbish dump.
Or throwing waste oil over ditches. Carelessness about runoff into watercourses.

Just because some farmers are educated and responsible doesn't mean all of them are.

dmakc

It's on the front page of independent today

evolving_doors

Panch18 wrote: »

So you don’t think it’s pure propaganda or you do?

I think it's basic science.
Eat less meat = pollute less
Research says so

Do you think the HPV vaccine is propaganda?

Del.Monte

gctest50 wrote: »

You - that's where, about 3 million per year


Search here :

https://search.benefacts.ie/

Rubbish - the bulk of their funding comes from membership subscriptions, donations etc. I don't know where they got the figure of 66 employees from but that site is full of erroneous information.

emaherx

evolving_doors wrote: »

I think it's basic science.
Eat less meat = pollute less
Research says so

Do you think the HPV vaccine is propaganda?

It's strange how much of this research is funded by vegan groups. NASA's research is totally ignored when they said they find very little evidence of Methane increase in atmosphere due to Livestock but can see a massive spike due to rice production and gas fracking. Why is there no one anywhere calling for a reduction in rice production?

https://unfccc.int/news/nasa-confirms-methane-spike-is-tied-to-oil-and-gas

blue5000

dmakc wrote: »

It's on the front page of independent today

Link, hope it works

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/farmers-anger-over-propaganda-as-schoolchildren-told-to-eat-less-meat-and-dairy-37985280.html

whelan2

A lot of kids don't drink milk. Most schools now don't facilitate the school milk scheme. We need a scheme like the food dudes scheme for milk and meat. Get them interested in what they are eating when they are young.

Del.Monte

I wonder is the "The green schools teacher resource pack" bilingual as well - there would be way to cut down on waste effortlessly but it's too much of a hot potato.

emaherx

whelan2 wrote: »

A lot of kids don't drink milk. Most schools now don't facilitate the school milk scheme. We need a scheme like the food dudes scheme for milk and meat. Get them interested in what they are eating when they are young.

Or they just teach our kids the food pyramid like we were thought.

whelan2

emaherx wrote: »

Or they just teach our kids the food pyramid like we were thought.

Young lad is in 5th class they have done the food pyramid a good bit. I think hands on approach of food samples would work. He liked the food dudes concept, can't see why it couldn't be stretched to meat, eggs, milk etc. Most schools have a healthy eating policy in place too.

alps

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Can anyone explain why a charity, a Proscribed Body under the Planning and Development act, has suddenly decided to become active in matters dietry ?

http://www.antaisce.org/publications/prescribed-body-role

I suppose if they spout shyte, they must have eaten it somewhere