An Taisce Green Schools

elperello

Panch18 wrote: »

So you don’t think it’s pure propaganda or you do?

Sorry for any confusion but I didn't make myself clear enough.
I'm not debating with someone who compares a small relatively ineffectual Irish environmental NGO to the Nazis.

wrangler

elperello wrote: »

Sorry for any confusion but I didn't make myself clear enough.
I'm not debating with someone who compares a small relatively ineffectual Irish environmental NGO to the Nazis.

Taisce are just another bunch of employees that can't be sacked for bullsh.....ng us.

Panch18

elperello wrote: »

Sorry for any confusion but I didn't make myself clear enough.
I'm not debating with someone who compares a small relatively ineffectual Irish environmental NGO to the Nazis.

That’s ok

You blaze attitude to them clearly shows that you have absolutely no idea what their motives are, what they are capable of and what they will do to push their own specific agenda

gctest50

Base price wrote: »

I don't have access to my laptop - where do they get their funding from.

You - that's where, about 3 million per year


Search here :

https://search.benefacts.ie/

Panch18

wrangler wrote: »

Taisce are just another bunch of employees that can't be sacked for bullsh.....ng us.

Oh they are much worse as they have free reign to do what they want, act how they want and say what they want. They don’t have the straight jacket of being in government or in a department

gctest50

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/an-taisce-planning-chief-told-his-airbnb-style-plan-seriously-injures-internationally-significant-building-915573.html


"An Bord Pleanála refusing planning permission to An Taisce's Heritage Officer, Ian Lumley and builder, Patrick Wigglesworth to convert the lower ground floor of their property at 3 Henrietta Street, Dublin into three short term lease studio apartments."




Just another filthy "charity"

Birdnuts

There was another story doing the rounds today that claimed bad diets are now the main cause of death worldwide -worse than smokes, genetic problems etc. It listed examples of poor diets and again red meat, dairy got a kicking. Its going to be very hard to hold back the massive tide of negativity flowing against Irelands main food exports:(

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0404/1040560-lancet-diet-study/

dmakc

Birdnuts wrote: »

There was another story doing the rounds today that claimed bad diets are now the main cause of death worldwide -worse than smokes, genetic problems etc. It listed examples of poor diets and again red meat, dairy got a kicking. Its going to be very hard to hold back the massive tide of negativity flowing against Irelands main food exports:(

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0404/1040560-lancet-diet-study/

That was discussed in the impossible burger thread - more EAT-Lancet propaganda this time funded by Bill Gates (major shareholder in the fake burger). The leading author conducted a report in 2015 stating ideally the world would eat no meat, so fairly easy see how he got the gig here.

I wish our journalists were even the least bit inquisitive when a corporation comes out with drastic headlines. Their research either stops the fact X number of scientists said this so it must be true, is copied from a rival gullable news outlet or in many cases basic clickbait (featuring punchlines that Lancet know to aim for in today's media driven world). All three cases get the people are talking

Nekarsulm

Can anyone explain why a charity, a Proscribed Body under the Planning and Development act, has suddenly decided to become active in matters dietry ?

http://www.antaisce.org/publications/prescribed-body-role

TheBoyConor

Panch18 wrote: »

You do know that nowadays you have to replace a hedge if you remove it

I assume you also know that for instance in the Reps scheme Irish farmers planted thousands of kilometres of hedges, to moscow on both sides of a road

That may be true, but a lot of ditches are still removed and not replaced. A neoghbour of mine also recently knocked a groove of trees that was there for many many years for no apparent reason and filled in a pond that was there in the middle of it. It used to be teaming, you'd hear the water hens and stuff in there. Now it's just a barren patch.

I also see people who keep hedges so manicured and shaved down into box shaped ditches that they couldn't possibly support much life. There is no need for cutting hedges so low. Let them a bit of height.

The stud industry is the worst offender. They shave ditches down to stumps almost or blow away ditches away entirely and replace them kilometers of with post and rail fencing.

They probably are not in the reps or other environmental schemes.

Still a lot of ignorant practices too. People burying platic or burning. You'd occasionally pass a farm that is so unkempt and messy that it resembles a rubbish dump.
Or throwing waste oil over ditches. Carelessness about runoff into watercourses.

Just because some farmers are educated and responsible doesn't mean all of them are.

dmakc

It's on the front page of independent today

evolving_doors

Panch18 wrote: »

So you don’t think it’s pure propaganda or you do?

I think it's basic science.
Eat less meat = pollute less
Research says so

Do you think the HPV vaccine is propaganda?

Del.Monte

gctest50 wrote: »

You - that's where, about 3 million per year


Search here :

https://search.benefacts.ie/

Rubbish - the bulk of their funding comes from membership subscriptions, donations etc. I don't know where they got the figure of 66 employees from but that site is full of erroneous information.

emaherx

evolving_doors wrote: »

I think it's basic science.
Eat less meat = pollute less
Research says so

Do you think the HPV vaccine is propaganda?

It's strange how much of this research is funded by vegan groups. NASA's research is totally ignored when they said they find very little evidence of Methane increase in atmosphere due to Livestock but can see a massive spike due to rice production and gas fracking. Why is there no one anywhere calling for a reduction in rice production?

https://unfccc.int/news/nasa-confirms-methane-spike-is-tied-to-oil-and-gas

blue5000

dmakc wrote: »

It's on the front page of independent today

Link, hope it works

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/farmers-anger-over-propaganda-as-schoolchildren-told-to-eat-less-meat-and-dairy-37985280.html

whelan2

A lot of kids don't drink milk. Most schools now don't facilitate the school milk scheme. We need a scheme like the food dudes scheme for milk and meat. Get them interested in what they are eating when they are young.

Del.Monte

I wonder is the "The green schools teacher resource pack" bilingual as well - there would be way to cut down on waste effortlessly but it's too much of a hot potato.

emaherx

whelan2 wrote: »

A lot of kids don't drink milk. Most schools now don't facilitate the school milk scheme. We need a scheme like the food dudes scheme for milk and meat. Get them interested in what they are eating when they are young.

Or they just teach our kids the food pyramid like we were thought.

whelan2

emaherx wrote: »

Or they just teach our kids the food pyramid like we were thought.

Young lad is in 5th class they have done the food pyramid a good bit. I think hands on approach of food samples would work. He liked the food dudes concept, can't see why it couldn't be stretched to meat, eggs, milk etc. Most schools have a healthy eating policy in place too.

alps

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Can anyone explain why a charity, a Proscribed Body under the Planning and Development act, has suddenly decided to become active in matters dietry ?

http://www.antaisce.org/publications/prescribed-body-role

I suppose if they spout shyte, they must have eaten it somewhere

_Brian

whelan2 wrote: »

A lot of kids don't drink milk. Most schools now don't facilitate the school milk scheme. We need a scheme like the food dudes scheme for milk and meat. Get them interested in what they are eating when they are young.

We don’t have a school milk scheme, I didn’t even know it’s a thing now.

Food dudes was very popular with our girls, it definitely got them talking about different foods and open to trying them.

Gawddawggonnit

I haven’t stood outside a primary school in Ireland since 2006, but back then it was alarming the amount of overweight and even obese children that were there.
Yes, something needs to be done, but it’s waaay outside the remit of An Taisce.
The ‘hijacking’ of children by the climate change gurus across the developed world is concerning, and Taisce are jumping on that bandwagon.
Not good.

The fact that Irish children consume more than half (sometimes exclusively) of their diet with heavily processed food is generally viewed as the issue with so much obesity. What can farmers do?...educate, educate, educate!
A few farm animals in the back of a truck is just a petting zoo.
The children need to get onto farms, real farms, and be educated about the dangers of processed foods. Local kids here, up to 15yrs old are taken out to farms 6 times a year. Some of those farms are producing fois gras from both geese and ducks! (Imagine trying to explain that!).
Kids come here once or twice a year to be given a tour of the animals and chickens. They’re always eager to drink a glass of milk straight from the tank.
I’ve seen kids as young as 5 eating oysters straight from the sea...

Farmers need to take back control of their produce.
By handing control of the produce to processors you’re wide open...

“Give me the child until he’s 7, and I’ll show you the man”.
Aristotle knew that over 2k yrs ago....

Xcellor

emaherx wrote: »

Or they just teach our kids the food pyramid like we were thought.

The food pyramid isn't what it used to be.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46964549

Canada re-evaluated it's position on dairy.

We don't need dairy and to suggest otherwise is nonsense. We've only been drinking it 6000-7000 years and that was for survival purposes not because we suddenly developed a biological need for it.

China barely drank any dairy up until recently and as a culture/civilization it didn't do them any harm.

It's all down to economics + jobs.

_Brian

Xcellor wrote: »

The food pyramid isn't what it used to be.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46964549

Canada re-evaluated it's position on dairy.

We don't need dairy and to suggest otherwise is nonsense. We've only been drinking it 6000-7000 years and that was for survival purposes not because we suddenly developed a biological need for it.

China barely drank any dairy up until recently and as a culture/civilization it didn't do them any harm.

It's all down to economics + jobs.

Human genetics in different parts of the world have developend differently over the years..


Yes the chinese diet contains little dairy but thats how they have developed over thousands of genrrations...


Irish people have relied in Dairy for their calcium etc for the same throusands of generations and so thats the way we are genitally programmed..


Advising developing children, particularly girls to cut out dairy which will undoubtably be their primary source of calcium is madness. Many of these same children are already suffering with body image issues, bad advice at this stage could be devastating.


Major dietry advice like this should be given by suitably qualified professionals, this does not include teachers..


Vegans and veterians have a very emotional perspective on this, anything but a balanced impartial position.. And a bit like their attitude towards the environmnet, health comes second to animal issues

dmakc

Xcellor wrote: »

The food pyramid isn't what it used to be.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46964549

Canada re-evaluated it's position on dairy.

We don't need dairy and to suggest otherwise is nonsense. We've only been drinking it 6000-7000 years and that was for survival purposes not because we suddenly developed a biological need for it.

China barely drank any dairy up until recently and as a culture/civilization it didn't do them any harm.

It's all down to economics + jobs.

The issue here isn't whether we need it. It is an taisce (who have a long standing dislike for agri) explicitly encouraging a vegan diet at vulnerable children (not to mention the expense of our farmers), and dietary advice is well beyond their remit.

gctest50

Del.Monte wrote: »

Rubbish - the bulk of their funding comes from membership subscriptions, donations etc. I don't know where they got the figure of 66 employees from but that site is full of erroneous information.

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Del.Monte

^^^ Very interesting breakdown but rather than giving money to An Taisce as a bulk grant it's really outsourcing programmes that the Government can't be bothered doing. Incidentally, I'm no fan of An Taisce and especially their laughable - Wrigley Chewing Gum sponsored - Annual Irish Spring Clean Project.

gctest50

Del.Monte wrote: »

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I don't know where they got the figure of 66 employees from but that site is full of erroneous information.

That site full of erroneous information ? is it now ?

BarryD2

One of the hard lessons in life is that you're only as good as your last customer. And at the end of the day, that's just about it. Nobody is owed a living by the public or state, nobody. If you're a producer, you cater for changing demands or take the hit.

_Brian

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BarryD2 wrote: »

One of the hard lessons in life is that you're only as good as your last customer. And at the end of the day, that's just about it. Nobody is owed a living by the public or state, nobody. If you're a producer, you cater for changing demands or take the hit.

indeed..
but you can understand the frustration to have a public body spreading incorrect propaganda against your business, seeding it into the minds of children at school.. thats not acceptable.