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AGS to allow members to wear religous and ethnic garb while on duty

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  • #32
    Erik Shun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Erik Shun


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Thread didn't even last half an hour before being filled with racist nonsense

    My statement about the hijab is quite true I'm afraid..you should try doing a little research my good fellow


  • #33
    JonnyMarbles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭JonnyMarbles


    Can't have a bit of stubble but can wear something that covers your head. :) Virtue signalling nonsense.


  • #34
    JonnyMarbles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭JonnyMarbles


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    This topic being discussed on morning Ireland now

    They are saying the guards MUST become more ethnically diverse

    Edit. Paul Reynolds just said there’s not one Muslim nor one Hindu in the guards at the mo

    :(

    When I think of how much society has changed in the last 50 years, we'll probably see it change just as much in the next 50. Scary what that might bring.


  • #35
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    It’d make u wonder do the guards even have any member who speaks Arabic.

    That’s scary given the times we live in


  • #36
    griffin100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,076 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Culturally and ethnically would it be acceptable to replace the baton with a slashhook?


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  • #37
    JonnyMarbles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭JonnyMarbles


    Wonder what they're going to do about the facial hair rule then considering majority of muslim men have some facial hair. I suppose they'll bend the knee for these religions...


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    JonnyMarbles wrote: »
    :(

    When I think of how much society has changed in the last 50 years, we'll probably see it change just as much in the next 50. Scary what that might bring.

    you scare easily hey?


  • #39
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    I think you'll find they are salad bar Muslims.not true followers

    So you don't like Muslims if they are believers, and you don't like Muslims if they aren't believers.

    I guess some people are just pricks.


  • #40
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    I too think we should secularize the schools and hospitals but allow religious symbolism in the gardai for the first time ever.


  • #41
    Spleerbun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Spleerbun


    I feel like we should be moving away from this religious stuff, not towards it. Confine your beliefs to your home and your own time, and wear the standard uniform as provided. Isn't that by definition the whole point of a "uniform", that it's the same for everyone?


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  • #42
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    It's fairly common in other countries. I don't have a particular issue but it would be best if police did not have religious symbols.

    I'm sure Muslim communities have no problems dealing with a police officer turning up wearing a kippa.


  • #43
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    We’re doing this because the British do it (not the hiring of Muslims but the attire). I think we can sure the French don’t allow religious symbolism.

    Ireland’s woke are somewhere between fanatical secularists and religious pluralists, depending on the topic.

    It just seems to be about changing Ireland rather than any logic. If we had secularism before we won’t have it now, if we didn’t we will.


  • #44
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    As noted by another poster, Sikhs have a strong and proud tradition of policing in places like the UK and Canada. If it encourages the Irish Sikh community to join the Gardai, all the better.


  • #45
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    On the actual topic, I don’t hage a problem with religious attire but then I don’t have a problem with religious schools and symbolism elsewhere.


  • #46
    JonnyMarbles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭JonnyMarbles


    Yurt! wrote: »
    As noted by another poster, Sikhs have a strong and proud tradition of policing in places like the UK and Canada. If it encourages the Irish Sikh community to join the Gardai, all the better.

    Can't happen because they have beards.


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

    It just seems to be about changing Ireland rather than any logic.

    and the opposite true for those who feel so deeply their "irishness" that its threatened every time they think about brown people being part of society here

    funny ole world innit


  • #48
    RocketRaccoon
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    Can wear all that nonsense but no visible tattoos or beards allowed, what a country.


  • #49
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    So are beards allowed now as well


  • #50
    joe40
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    A police force that is representative of the community they serve, is a good thing.

    This isn't based on what some might call "lefty liberal nonsense" it is just based on "good policing", with evidence from many jurisdictions world wide.


  • #51
    98q76e12hrflnk
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    AGS wearing the burka I cant wait.


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  • #52
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    As for tattoos

    The Maori and other cultures in that part of the world see tattoos as a spiritual part of their belief system. So they are now allowed as well I presume


  • #53
    JonnyMarbles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭JonnyMarbles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    and the opposite true for those who feel so deeply their "irishness" that its threatened every time they think about brown people being part of society here

    funny ole world innit

    It's more the pandering to these religions.

    How long have people spent trying to get religion out of influencing daily life? Yet gleefully rejoice when these other religions start impacting rules in national bodies.

    If someone feels so strongly about their religion that they can't join the guards, then how do you expect them to adhere to the law of the country considering some of the customs and traditions and beliefs a lot of these religions have?


  • #54
    Samuel Vimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Samuel Vimes


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    So are beards allowed now as well

    I would presume so- and if not they should be.
    I would also have no issue with tatoos so long as they are no indecent (portray nudity or violence).
    The average guard show look no different than anybody else.


  • #55
    JonnyMarbles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭JonnyMarbles


    joe40 wrote: »
    A police force that is representative of the community they serve, is a good thing.

    This isn't based on what some might call "lefty liberal nonsense" it is just based on "good policing", with evidence from many jurisdictions world wide.

    They don't represent bearded people unfortunately.


  • #56
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    and the opposite true for those who feel so deeply their "irishness" that its threatened every time they think about brown people being part of society here

    funny ole world innit

    Sounds like an ad hominem attack. I’m not threatened by brown people, except my wife, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of the Irish left.


  • #57
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    I too think we should secularize the schools and hospitals but allow religious symbolism in the gardai for the first time ever.
    Catholicism bad
    other religions good


  • #58
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    and the opposite true for those who feel so deeply their "irishness" that its threatened every time they think about brown people being part of society here

    funny ole world innit

    Didnt realise all Muslims were brown...
    *updates notes.

    Maybe some people just have an issue with any overt display of a fantasy by an official in a law reinforcement role, particularly where such an officer (might) see civil law as subordinate to a "higher" power.


    Jeez, the irony of wanting religon out of our schools and into the Gardai...


  • #59
    Samuel Vimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Samuel Vimes


    declan2693 wrote: »
    AGS wearing the burka I cant wait.

    You will have to wait- It's the Hijab they are considering allowing, not the burka!


  • #60
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    JonnyMarbles wrote: »
    How long have people spent trying to get religion out of influencing daily life?

    You really don't know what you are talking about.

    I don't care if a doctor or nurse wears a crucifix.
    I care if the treatment I get in a hospital is determined by the beliefs of a particular religion.

    I don't care if a teacher wears a headscarf or a skullcap.
    I care if my kids are taught that a particular religion is true.

    I don't care if a garda wears a turban.
    I care if certain things are illegal because of the beliefs of a particular religion.

    I don't care what you believe.
    I care if your beliefs impinge on my freedoms.

    This is not ****ing complicated.


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    JonnyMarbles wrote: »
    It's more the pandering to these religions.

    How long have people spent trying to get religion out of influencing daily life? Yet gleefully rejoice when these other religions start impacting rules in national bodies.

    If someone feels so strongly about their religion that they can't join the guards, then how do you expect them to adhere to the law of the country considering some of the customs and traditions and beliefs a lot of these religions have?

    i take the point.

    id take it a lot more seriously if it didnt come with all of the other nonsense (not necessarily you specifically, to be clear)


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