AGS to allow members to wear religous and ethnic garb while on duty

judeboy101

At the moment if I interact with ags I don't know if they are catholic , protestant or dissenter. That's about to change

https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-uniform-religion-ethnicity-4575632-Apr2019/

Necro

judeboy101 wrote:

At the moment if I interact with gas I don't know if they are catholic , protestant or dissenter. That's about to change

I didn't realise gas was religious tbh. Maybe those protesters in Belmullet were trying to prevent a new religious war on a par with The Crusades...

judeboy101

Necro wrote: »

I didn't realise gas was religious tbh. Maybe those protesters in Belmullet were trying to prevent a new religious war on a par with The Crusades...

In fairness, a lot of them are full of s-h-1-t.

Timberrrrrrrr

Would it bother you what religion they are?

Necro

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Would it bother you what religion they are?

OP has a lot of demons is my best guess. Doesn't want them exorcised by the wrong religious Garda member :P

judeboy101

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Would it bother you what religion they are?

It would if they took an oath to serve without favour. Displaying religious symbols says they favour one religion over another. Imagine the psni allowing protestant members to wear an orange sash, as its part of an orange mans ethnic identity.

LoonyLovegood

If it helps bring more recruits in, and makes people more comfortable dealing with the Guards, then what's the problem? It's not like a hijab or a turban is going to stop them from doing their jobs.

kneemos

judeboy101 wrote: »

It would if they took an oath to serve without favour. Displaying religious symbols says they favour one religion over another. Imagine the psni allowing protestant members to wear an orange sash, as its part of an orange mans ethnic identity.

They're the same person with or without the religious symbol.

judeboy101

LoonyLovegood wrote: »

If it helps bring more recruits in, and makes people more comfortable dealing with the Guards, then what's the problem? It's not like a hijab or a turban is going to stop them from doing their jobs.

Muslim women cant be alone with non male relatives, nor shake hands. Not exactly good for community policing.

Erik Shun

judeboy101 wrote: »

At the moment if I interact with ags I don't know if they are catholic , protestant or dissenter. That's about to change

https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-uniform-religion-ethnicity-4575632-Apr2019/

You still won't know who's Catholic or Protestant

Benny Biscotti

kneemos wrote: »

They're the same person with or without the religious symbol.

It's about maintaining order the best way. A guard wearing riot gear and a baton is the same person without. He's not going to wear riot gear while doing door to door enquiries.

It would cause unease just like an orange order symbol would.

judeboy101

kneemos wrote: »

They're the same person with or without the religious symbol.

If that were true, religious symbols wouldn't exist. Wearing anything that identifies you as a member of a particular group changes you . Plenty of psychological research to back that up. Why do you think ags wear uniforms in the first place? It's to distinguish them from the population and show they are different.

Samuel Vimes

judeboy101 wrote: »

Muslim women cant be alone with non male relatives, nor shake hands. Not exactly good for community policing.

A crass, and ill informed generalization!
I work in a multi cultural workplace and the Muslim women there have no issues such as you describe.

Necro

Seriously though, I could care less if they worshipped some Viking Gods tbh. Makes no earthly difference.

Samuel T. Cogley

Turban is allowed in the UK AFAIK, looks very smart actually.

judeboy101

Erik Shun wrote: »

You still won't know who's Catholic or Protestant

Catholic ags will be allowed to wear a crucifix, you won't be able to discriminate on this rule. Pastafarian ags will be able to wear a colander. Klingon ags will be able to carry a baath'leth .

Del.Monte

Quotas can't be far behind. :rolleyes:

Erik Shun

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

A crass, and ill informed generalization!
I work in a multi cultural workplace and the Muslim women there have no issues such as you describe.

Try being a Muslim woman and not wear a hijab... Muslim countries it's a punishable offence ...here families frown upon it ..
I'm all for inclusion in the gardai... but the hijab is a symbol of subjugation and make no mistake about that

Samuel T. Cogley

judeboy101 wrote: »

Catholic ags will be allowed to wear a crucifix, you won't be able to discriminate on this rule. Pastafarian ags will be able to wear a colander. Klingon ags will be able to carry a baath'leth .

That's ridiculous. Klingon guards will wear that grey chain sash thing a la Worf.

AudreyHepburn

Let them wear what they want. As long as they’re doing their job right what difference does it make?

If your biggest concern when a Garda stops you or calls to your door is the crucifix around his or her neck then you probably need to take a step back and reevaluate your priorities.

Atoms for Peace

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Turban is allowed in the UK AFAIK, looks very smart actually.

Sikhs are fairly bad ass, the only religious group I'd have no problem with showing their get up in the security forces.
Guards armed with kirpans could be a solution to the scumbag problem.

The J Stands for Jay

LoonyLovegood wrote: »

It's not like a hijab or a turban is going to stop them from doing their jobs.

"But you can't arrest me without your hat"

Shield

The time is ripe for Pastafarians to seek permission to wear a colander on duty.

judeboy101

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

A crass, and ill informed generalization!
I work in a multi cultural workplace and the Muslim women there have no issues such as you describe.

I think you'll find they are salad bar Muslims.not true followers

LeinsterDub

judeboy101 wrote: »

Muslim women cant be alone with non male relatives, nor shake hands. Not exactly good for community policing.

Erik Shun wrote: »

Try being a Muslim woman and not wear a hijab... Muslim countries it's a punishable offence ...here families frown upon it ..
I'm all for inclusion in the gardai... but the hijab is a symbol of subjugation and make no mistake about that

Erik Shun wrote: »

I'll have a No.3 with boiled rice please

judeboy101 wrote: »

I think you'll find they are salad bar Muslims.not true followers

Thread didn't even last half an hour before being filled with racist nonsense

Samuel Vimes

judeboy101 wrote: »

I think you'll find they are salad bar Muslims.not true followers

Idiotic post-the rantings of the ignorant :mad:

Roger Hassenforder

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Thread didn't even last half an hour before being filled with racist nonsense

Thread didnt last half an our without someone being outraged..

First two are at worst inaccurate generalizations, but in certain circumstances are factually correct. How are they racist?

Last one is just nonsense.

FTA69

judeboy101 wrote: »

Muslim women cant be alone with non male relatives, nor shake hands. Not exactly good for community policing.

Mate what are you on about? Not every Muslim is a Salafist.

Charles Ingles

Good we need some Muslims in the Garda

tedpan

If a Rastafarian joined the Gardai, would they be able to carry marijuana?

Beechwoodspark

This topic being discussed on morning Ireland now

They are saying the guards MUST become more ethnically diverse

Edit. Paul Reynolds just said there’s not one Muslim nor one Hindu in the guards at the mo

Erik Shun

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Thread didn't even last half an hour before being filled with racist nonsense

My statement about the hijab is quite true I'm afraid..you should try doing a little research my good fellow

JonnyMarbles

Can't have a bit of stubble but can wear something that covers your head. Virtue signalling nonsense.

JonnyMarbles

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This topic being discussed on morning Ireland now

They are saying the guards MUST become more ethnically diverse

Edit. Paul Reynolds just said there’s not one Muslim nor one Hindu in the guards at the mo

When I think of how much society has changed in the last 50 years, we'll probably see it change just as much in the next 50. Scary what that might bring.

Beechwoodspark

It’d make u wonder do the guards even have any member who speaks Arabic.

That’s scary given the times we live in

griffin100

Culturally and ethnically would it be acceptable to replace the baton with a slashhook?

JonnyMarbles

Wonder what they're going to do about the facial hair rule then considering majority of muslim men have some facial hair. I suppose they'll bend the knee for these religions...

JonnyMarbles

JonnyMarbles wrote: »

When I think of how much society has changed in the last 50 years, we'll probably see it change just as much in the next 50. Scary what that might bring.

you scare easily hey?

RayCun

judeboy101 wrote: »

I think you'll find they are salad bar Muslims.not true followers

So you don't like Muslims if they are believers, and you don't like Muslims if they aren't believers.

I guess some people are just pricks.

Franz Von Peppercorn

I too think we should secularize the schools and hospitals but allow religious symbolism in the gardai for the first time ever.

Spleerbun

I feel like we should be moving away from this religious stuff, not towards it. Confine your beliefs to your home and your own time, and wear the standard uniform as provided. Isn't that by definition the whole point of a "uniform", that it's the same for everyone?

biko

It's fairly common in other countries. I don't have a particular issue but it would be best if police did not have religious symbols.

I'm sure Muslim communities have no problems dealing with a police officer turning up wearing a kippa.

Franz Von Peppercorn

We’re doing this because the British do it (not the hiring of Muslims but the attire). I think we can sure the French don’t allow religious symbolism.

Ireland’s woke are somewhere between fanatical secularists and religious pluralists, depending on the topic.

It just seems to be about changing Ireland rather than any logic. If we had secularism before we won’t have it now, if we didn’t we will.

Yurt2

As noted by another poster, Sikhs have a strong and proud tradition of policing in places like the UK and Canada. If it encourages the Irish Sikh community to join the Gardai, all the better.

Franz Von Peppercorn

On the actual topic, I don’t hage a problem with religious attire but then I don’t have a problem with religious schools and symbolism elsewhere.

JonnyMarbles

Yurt! wrote: »

As noted by another poster, Sikhs have a strong and proud tradition of policing in places like the UK and Canada. If it encourages the Irish Sikh community to join the Gardai, all the better.

Can't happen because they have beards.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It just seems to be about changing Ireland rather than any logic.

and the opposite true for those who feel so deeply their "irishness" that its threatened every time they think about brown people being part of society here

funny ole world innit

RocketRaccoon

Can wear all that nonsense but no visible tattoos or beards allowed, what a country.

Beechwoodspark

So are beards allowed now as well

joe40

A police force that is representative of the community they serve, is a good thing.

This isn't based on what some might call "lefty liberal nonsense" it is just based on "good policing", with evidence from many jurisdictions world wide.

98q76e12hrflnk

AGS wearing the burka I cant wait.