Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

Honestly I'm of the opinion the UK is utterly screwed thanks purely to the utter incompetence and stupidity of the Tories and the utter fools of the Delusional Unionist Party. They simply are too divided, too entrenched and too stupid politically to care about any of the consequences of leaving with no deal but they won't get very far should it happen next week.

Sad thing about all this is normal Brit's who didnt want any of this are getting dragged down the toilet with these waster's and they're the one's going to suffer for it. I honesty think the like's of Boris and that are only giving out shít and whinging about losing Brexit because they're intentionally wishing to cause this whole thing to profit personally and financially from the chaos and I hope someday the miserable bastards actions come back to bite them hard and land em a nice spot in a prison somewhere. Ultimately I hope the Tories at least suffer the same fate Electorially as Fianna Fall did 8 years ago and the corrupt trash that caused this are turfed out.

Ultimately the short term pain for us will be offset by the fact we've been preparing for this possibility from day 1 of all this and possibly the mid term possibility of a United Ireland. It would be the ultimate irony and comeuppance for the DUP who caused all this purely by being pigheaded idiots and abandoning all responsibility that their reason for existence was denied by their own stupidity. I also hope that the businesses and farmers who've pulled their backing from them causes them to implode: Idiots like them are unfit for any sort of power expecially those who put their own selfish interest before the common good and blow off concerns with "send em to the chippy".

I honestly hope Scotland get's it's independence the 2nd time around as well. Westminster has been shown to be completely diregardful of their concerns as well and their interests are better served by being independent. At least they'll likely regain EU membership quickly if they become independent as they got dragged out against their will and if they do those who want to might consider moving to Scotland as well instead of waiting for "Little England" to cop the hell on and realise what an utter fool their rump of a country was for all this.

Honestly unless they turn around and announce a 2nd referendum by the end of next week the UK is gone, I cannot see other's in Europe wanting to prolong the inevitable there comes a point where the price for vainglorious stupidity has to be paid and the political establishment in the UK needs to be held to account for THEIR incompetence and noone elses as all this is caused and originates in their broken system of government. The EU also has it's own issues and problems and cannot indefinately allow itself to be distracted by a bunch of incompetent clowns. All this chaos, pain and suffering just because the UK's polticial class couldn't get their head's out of their ásses and allowed a minority of braindead vainglorious bastards have their way instead of putting the common good first. Human Stupidity is truly the cancer of this existence.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I think it's more that she put Tory party unity before all else.

So far anyway, but that will unravel now no matter what, it seems. No win situation.

Anyway, surely she is the PM of the UK, not the Tories. The good of the country should be the raison d'etre.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1113166400993067009

This day is far from over. A lot of unhappy Tories throwing their toys out of the pram. Will the cabinet force her hand?

Half of them might resign. The Brexiteer half.

if they resign what will that achieve?

I often wonder why the Brexiters don’t leave Tories and throw in their lot with UKIP. They’d surely win a lot of seats and potentially hold the balance of power and leverage their position better than the current situation where they are almost resented in the tories

So if talks with Corbyn aren't successful, she'll take the preference of Parliament. The indicative votes of the past week may have had more benefit than originally thought.

I really hope the EU reject this firmly. The EU should not allow a bomb to be set up on the eve of the EU elections, nor should we allow the UK to create chaos by having they option to revoke A50 without beng prepared to take part in the EU elections.

The EU set out a pragmatic process and should stick to it, if the UK fails to agree the deal by the 12th, then the only options available are no-deal, revoke and take part in the EU elections, or long extension and take part in the EU elections, nothing else should be considered.

i heard earlier that in the case of a no deal stuff on amazon.co.uk will be more expensive for us here in ireland.. so best to get the stuff now i guess

What May asks the EU for is not what she will get, we all know that. Once she asks for an ext. the door is open for them to dictate the terms.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So why is he portrayed as the next Tory PM (assuming that all works out re elections and so on)?.

Donald trump has the bar set when it comes to electing the leaders of a country. The British will want to have their version in Boris.

MikeSoys wrote: »

if uk said were not happy with the WA and so going for a no deql..would the EU blink and be willing to compromises something to avoide it

I think that was the promise of Brexiteers like David Davis for the longest time - here we are at the 11th hour and nothing. So either the EU is hiding its apprehension behind the greatest poker face in history, or David Davis et al have been telling fibs.

trashcan wrote: »

I honestly doubt it. I don t think they are bluffing. They'd like the UK to stay, or failing that to agree a deal, but I don't think they want it at any cost.

Maybe before Christmas or six months before it the EU might have been more receptive to the UK but given what a mess the whole thing has turned into I think they won't now. The EU just seem to want the UK to decide on something.

is there somewhere i can see a full list of the impact of a no deal for ireland?
i hear allot of different things like the impact to farmers, possible fuel shortages(as allot of our refined fuel comes from uk), certain imports will be more expensive etc... but if anyone knows if there is a full list somwhere id appreciate it

Looking at Newsnight, where guess who is on- "Michael Gove, Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs".

We are facing climate change disaster, beyond the point of no return in 12 years, and when was the last time this clown actually focused on his ministerial job, talked about anything other than ****ing Brexit, which he and his slimy fellow conmen Tories directly caused.

I am so, so sick of hearing about Brexit, with all of the other incredibly urgent problems that the world faces. This disgrace of a Tory government is indulging their egos about this for the last 3 years, rather than focus on the good of the country.

History will judge Gove and his kind incredibly harshly. Hopefully he ends up with a heavy prison sentence too one day, for his role in the illegal behaviour of the Vote Leave campaign.