PGA Tour Thread

Zaph · 01-04-2019 12:03AM

eagle eye wrote: »

That PGA tour event isn't second rate. There was a much better field than you'll get in an average European tour event

Well taking the OWGR as an indicator, the strength of field rating in that event was 26. The strength of field in the Indian Open this week was 51, and that's for a pretty minor European Tour event co-sanctioned with the Asian Tour. To call it second rate might be a bit harsh, any win on the PGA Tour is a good win, but the field certainly wasn't "much better" than an average European Tour event and it'll hardly rank as one of GMac's greatest achievements.

FrankieFeeler · 01-04-2019 12:15AM

eagle eye wrote: »

That PGA tour event isn't second rate. There was a much better field than you'll get in an average European tour event.

That doesn't mean that Irish sports people abroad shouldn't get a mention.

Irish golfers do get mentioned in the news ,but seeing as the 2 events Irish golfers were competing in today are second tier events then it's not going to get as much attention as a normal event would.

eagle eye · 01-04-2019 01:03AM

FrankieFeeler wrote:

Irish golfers do get mentioned in the news ,but seeing as the 2 events Irish golfers were competing in today are second tier events then it's not going to get as much attention as a normal event would.

Sung Jae IM, no. 59 in the world was in that event, so was Vegas. there were a few more from the top 100.
Nothing second rate about it.

FrankieFeeler · 01-04-2019 05:37AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Sung Jae IM, no. 59 in the world was in that event, so was Vegas. there were a few more from the top 100.
Nothing second rate about it.

It was second rate, the only reason any of those players were playing in the event was because they were not good enough to qualify for the matchplay, it wasn't a proper full PGA tour event.It is classified by the PGA tour themselves as an alternate event, it's just there to give lower ranked players something to play for that week.

Number of Rankings points available was 24
Prize fund was $3.1 million

The average PGA tour event would have a prize fund of over $7 million and around 50 rankings points or more available

Trampas · 01-04-2019 07:08AM

FrankieFeeler wrote: »

It was second rate, the only reason any of those players were playing in the event was because they were not good enough to qualify for the matchplay, it wasn't a proper full PGA tour event.It is classified by the PGA tour themselves as an alternate event, it's just there to give lower ranked players something to play for that week.

Number of Rankings points available was 24
Prize fund was $3.1 million

The average PGA tour event would have a prize fund of over $7 million and around 50 rankings points or more available

Also fed ex points are less. About 2/3 of normal week

Great for him to get a W. Hopefully pushes on like Poulter did when regained tour card. Pressure off

Dr. Bre · 01-04-2019 09:14AM

Good to see Big Mac win on the pga tour again even if it’s not the best of tournaments

bmay529 · 01-04-2019 09:38AM

A lot of known names in the top 10 so a reasonable field and a good win for McDowell which should give him a dose of confidence
Win: Graeme McDowell, -18, $540,000
T-2: Mackenzie Hughes, -17, $264,000
T-2: Chris Stroud, -17, $264,000
4: Jonathan Byrd, -16, $144,000
T-5: Kelly Kraft, -15, $114,000
T-5: Chip McDaniel, -15, $114,000
T-7: Aaron Baddeley, -14, $93,500
T-7: Sungjae Im, -14, $93,500
T-7: George McNeill, -14, $93,500
T-10: Kramer Hickok, -13, $78,000
T-10: D.J. Trahan, -13, $78,000

Remind me · 01-04-2019 09:49AM

And a nice payday

Mantis Toboggan · 01-04-2019 07:21PM

Good win and the 2 year extension is a nice bonus. Also the first time ever 4 Europeans have won in consecutive weeks on the pga tour.

Rikand · 01-04-2019 08:49PM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Good win and the 2 year extension is a nice bonus. Also the first time ever 4 Europeans have won in consecutive weeks on the pga tour.

I thought that was blown with the matchplay but you're right lol

HighLine · 01-04-2019 10:12PM

Good to see (2 videos - click arrow for 2nd)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvucZAzJCwx/

Deeper Blue · 01-04-2019 10:28PM

HighLine wrote: »

Good to see (2 videos - click arrow for 2nd)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvucZAzJCwx/

Just came across that myself, very surprised to be honest considering Garcia's interview with Sky after the match. Fair play to them though.

Remind me · 01-04-2019 10:32PM

2 players in need of some good PR doing what their PR folk tell them to.

Good to see though.

Mantis Toboggan · 01-04-2019 10:35PM

Sergio looks like he wants to punch him in the face.

martinkop · 02-04-2019 08:35AM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Sergio looks like he wants to punch him in the face.

Had that same thought, he's nearly falling out of the buggy to be away from him

abff · 02-04-2019 09:41AM

martinkop wrote: »

Had that same thought, he's nearly falling out of the buggy to be away from him

I'd love to get a body language expert's take on that interview. Talk about smiling through gritted teeth...

Kuch has really let the mask fall on his nice guy persona in recent months. He always struck me as somewhat bland and inoffensive, but I'm not sure I would still include the second of those terms if I were asked for my current thoughts on him.

abff · 02-04-2019 09:51AM

I remember an incident that happened a number of years ago with Darren Clarke. His ball was lying in heavy rough when play was abandoned for the day.

When he went back the following day, the rough had been trampled down and his lie was vastly improved. But he decided not to take advantage of this and played the ball sideways out of the rough. This cost him a bogey, but earned him a lot of respect and I think he was awarded a prize for shot of the month on the European Tour. I also remember Paul McGinley conceding a very long putt on the 18th in the Ryder Cup at the K Club after a streaker ran onto the green.

I'm sure there are lots of other examples of golfers behaving in a sporting manner, but these two are the first that spring to mind. I think both of those gentlemen would probably have conceded the next hole to Garcia in that situation.

The fact that Kuchar failed to do so is very disappointing, particularly as he could have used some good press after his recent caddy related problems.

Remind me · 02-04-2019 10:04AM

abff wrote: »

I remember an incident that happened a number of years ago with Darren Clarke. His ball was lying in heavy rough when play was abandoned for the day.

When he went back the following day, the rough had been trampled down and his lie was vastly improved. But he decided not to take advantage of this and played the ball sideways out of the rough. This cost him a bogey, but earned him a lot of respect and I think he was awarded a prize for shot of the month on the European Tour. I also remember Paul McGinley conceding a very long putt on the 18th in the Ryder Cup at the K Club after a streaker ran onto the green.

I'm sure there are lots of other examples of golfers behaving in a sporting manner, but these two are the first that spring to mind. I think both of those gentlemen would probably have conceded the next hole to Garcia in that situation.

The fact that Kuchar failed to do so is very disappointing, particularly as he could have used some good press after his recent caddy related problems.

Clarke was the Irish Open at Carton, think it was just to the right of the par 5 4th but could be wrong.

I don't think either player, or 99% of pros would have to concede the next hoe because they would not have got the referee involved in the first place.

abff · 02-04-2019 11:51AM

Remind me wrote: »

I don't think either player, or 99% of pros would have to concede the next hoe because they would not have got the referee involved in the first place.

Did Kuchar involve the referee? Or did Garcia tell him that he'd missed the putt and therefore had lost the hole? (Which is what Kuchar said in that clip). If the former, I agree he shouldn't have done it. If the latter, then my comment stands.

In any event, he shouldn't have walked away from the green while Garcia was still putting.

Remind me · 02-04-2019 11:55AM

abff wrote: »

Did Kuchar involve the referee? Or did Garcia tell him that he'd missed the putt and therefore had lost the hole? (Which is what Kuchar said in that clip). If the former, I agree he shouldn't have done it. If the latter, then my comment stands.

In any event, he shouldn't have walked away from the green while Garcia was still putting.

In Kuchar's press conference directly after the round he said he asked the referee because he didn't know what to do. Garcia said nothing to him and Kuchar had definitely approached the ref and then said to Sergio 'I didn't give you the putt'.

abff · 02-04-2019 12:05PM

Remind me wrote: »

In Kuchar's press conference directly after the round he said he asked the referee because he didn't know what to do. Garcia said nothing to him and Kuchar had definitely approached the ref and then said to Sergio 'I didn't give you the putt'.

Fair enough. In that case, he was lying in the clip we saw because he said that Sergio approached him about it.

A bit of good old fashioned gamesmanship. I don't think too many opponents will be conceding putts to him in future matches.

Remind me · 02-04-2019 12:07PM

abff wrote: »

Fair enough. In that case, he was lying in the clip we saw because he said that Sergio approached him about it.

A bit of good old fashioned gamesmanship. I don't think too many opponents will be conceding putts to him in future matches.

Think in yesterday's clip he just acknowledged Sergio said it to him that he missed and made a mistake but didn't mention that he had approached him first.

You are right, it was 100% gamesmanship and he played the rules.

GreeBo · 02-04-2019 12:18PM

Remind me wrote: »

Think in yesterday's clip he just acknowledged Sergio said it to him that he missed and made a mistake but didn't mention that he had approached him first.

You are right, it was 100% gamesmanship and he played the rules.

I dont see how its gamesmanship when Sergio missed a putt?

Potentially there would be something if Sergio had just picked the ball up, but he made a stroke so...

Even if he had picked it up, the rules are pretty clear so really not much that could be done.

Interestingly it seems that if they didnt have a match referee they could have agreed to move on.

20.1-b wrote:

. During a round, the players in a match may agree how to decide a Rules issue:

The agreed outcome is conclusive even if it turns out to have been wrong under the Rules, so long as the players did not deliberately agree to ignore any Rule or penalty they knew applied (see Rule 1.3b(1)).
But if a referee is assigned to the match, the referee must rule on any issue that comes to his or her attention in time and the players must follow that ruling.

Remind me · 02-04-2019 12:24PM

GreeBo wrote: »

I dont see how its gamesmanship when Sergio missed a putt?

Potentially there would be something if Sergio had just picked the ball up, but he made a stroke so...

Even if he had picked it up, the rules are pretty clear so really not much that could be done.

Interestingly it seems that if they didnt have a match referee they could have agreed to move on.

Your opinion.

The stroke he makes while presumably trying to knock it in is clearly a stroke of someone who presumed the putt was conceded, definitely the wrong thing to do as everyone acknowledges.

IMO Kuchar going to the referee he is clearly looking to claim the hole instead of just calling Sergio on it. Playing the rules and taking the easy way out. Gamesmanship IMO.

Edit: I wonder over the course of the week how many players picked up or pulled a ball back to take a practice putt from the distance Sergio was without waiting for a signal. Or how many opponents just walked off and got on with the match.

PhuckHugh2 · 02-04-2019 12:46PM

Nothing wrong with a bit of gamesmanship. Too many golf tournamnents end in some lovey dovey scenario where everyone is happy for the winner.
A bit of needle makes things a bit interesting. :pac:

My notes from the incident:
Kuchar is a sly ****er. Not to be trusted.
Sergio is still a petulant child.

GreeBo · 02-04-2019 01:04PM

Remind me wrote: »

Your opinion.

Whats my opinion? That it wasn't gamesmanship? Adhering to the rules cant be gamesmanship, especially when its the other player who has done something.

Remind me wrote: »

The stroke he makes while presumably trying to knock it in is clearly a stroke of someone who presumed the putt was conceded, definitely the wrong thing to do as everyone acknowledges.

If everyone knows it was the wrong thing to do, why bring it up?

Remind me wrote: »

IMO Kuchar going to the referee he is clearly looking to claim the hole instead of just calling Sergio on it. Playing the rules and taking the easy way out. Gamesmanship IMO.

Playing the rules cant be gamesmanship....
"the art of winning games by using various ploys and tactics to gain a psychological advantage."
What "art" is there to allowing the referee to referee the match?

Remind me wrote: »

Edit: I wonder over the course of the week how many players picked up or pulled a ball back to take a practice putt from the distance Sergio was without waiting for a signal. Or how many opponents just walked off and got on with the match.

I'd say few to none did it when the result of the hole hadn't been decided. On numerous occasions people had short putts or multiple putts from a short distance to win/half and they were preparing to take the shot when their opponent conceded, no one picked up.

02-04-2019 01:32PM

Playing to the rules can absolutely be gamesmanship

GreeBo · 02-04-2019 02:00PM

AdamD wrote: »

Playing to the rules can absolutely be gamesmanship

So when is it not gamesmanship, since to do the contrary would be cheating?

Remind me · 02-04-2019 02:02PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Whats my opinion? That it wasn't gamesmanship? Adhering to the rules cant be gamesmanship, especially when its the other player who has done something.

If everyone knows it was the wrong thing to do, why bring it up?

Playing the rules cant be gamesmanship....
"the art of winning games by using various ploys and tactics to gain a psychological advantage."
What "art" is there to allowing the referee to referee the match?

I'd say few to none did it when the result of the hole hadn't been decided. On numerous occasions people had short putts or multiple putts from a short distance to win/half and they were preparing to take the shot when their opponent conceded, no one picked up.

Did you see all the holes in the 100 plus games to know no one picked up?

Of course playing to the rules can be gamesmanship. Garcia didn't break any rule, he missed a putt. Kuchar brought the fact that Garcia he didn't concede to the referee, the small putt Garcia missed was for a half, whether he thought it was conceded or not he missed it so lost the hole, he didn't break a rule. Kuchar got the rules involved by calling the referee.

On a very simplistic point Sergio took more shots and he should have sorted it himself not got a referee involved.

GreeBo · 02-04-2019 02:06PM

Remind me wrote: »

Did you see all the holes in the 100 plus games to know no one picked up?

I don't *know* no one picked up, I said
"I'd say few to none did it when the result of the hole hadn't been decided"

Remind me wrote: »

Of course playing to the rules can be gamesmanship. Garcia didn't break any rule, he missed a putt. Kuchar brought the fact that Garcia he didn't concede to the referee, the small putt Garcia missed was for a half, whether he thought it was conceded or not he missed it so lost the hole, he didn't break a rule. Kuchar got the rules involved by calling the referee.

Yes...so where is the gamesmanship here?

On a very simplistic point Sergio took more shots and he should have sorted it himself not got a referee involved.

Indeed. Again, so what was the alternative and where was the gamesmanship?

You started this paragraph by saying "of course playing to the rules can be gamesmanship" and then neglected to actually point any gamesmanship out...

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