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Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #5702
    RickBlaine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Labour already indicated they would support that.

    But if the 2nd ref amendment passed, I wonder then would the main vote pass. Interesting how the Tory leadership would whip for or against WA with 2nd ref.


  • #5703
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    devnull wrote: »
    Unfortunately the Lib Dems and Tigs and a number of Labour politicians have tonight voted to chase a dream of a referendum and revocation which they will never pass which risks the catastrophe of No Deal.

    By not compromising they have recklessly put the country in severe danger of No Deal. They should have voted for the customs union and this would have been over tonight, but just like the Tories who they claim to hate, they have failed to compromise.

    I said it about two months ago, the people we expected to be the pragmatic adults in the room, the remainers, are in reality the biggest obsticle to a workable deal because the last thing they want is a workable sustanable Brexit. Better for them to hold out for a referendum, even at the risk of no-deal than support Brexit in any form.

    They would prefer a no-deal Brexit to a workable Brexit as a no-deal could potentially be so bad that they will eventually get enought support to be able to overturn it and get back into the EU.


  • #5704
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,264 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    The DUP aren't even worth talking about at this point.

    Fair play to Nick Boles.
    What did Nigel Dodd’s actually say as I muted him. Was there by any chance anything remotely positive in it ?


  • #5705
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I missed his statement, does anyone know what he said as his reasons for resigning, I just caught him walking away from his seat.


    He seemed completely broken. Just said that he accepted that he'd failed at trying to get people onside for his idea and said he couldn't continue to represent a party that wouldn't compromise. Then walked out.


  • #5706
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Phew! I can't keep up.

    Just going to wait it out until I can try to understand what's happening.


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  • #5707
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,219 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    Never thought I'd say this, but Kenneth Clarke talks far more sense than anyone else in that parliament.
    Why would you never say that? Hes been one of the only decent people there for years.


  • #5708
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    What did Nigel Dodd’s actually say as I muted him. Was there by any chance anything remotely positive in it ?

    Said Merkel was coming to Dublin for a chat and there was still time to get rid of the backstop.


  • #5709
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    And the tories will probably get back in with a Brexiteer leader...

    Not certain at all in the latest polling.


  • #5710
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I missed his statement, does anyone know what he said as his reasons for resigning, I just caught him walking away from his seat.


    To expand, he stated that he has tried his best to find a compromise but his own party has made this impossible and he can thus not be part of them any longer.


  • #5711
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    looksee wrote: »
    Did they have the discussion about the Revoke article 50 petition today?

    Yes, in a small side room, not the main chamber.


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  • #5712
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Thargor wrote: »
    Why would you never say that? Hes been one of the only decent people there for years.


    He's just always come across as a dinosaur with pretty outdated views on most things, but they need to listen to what the man is saying. He's got more experience in parliament than the rest of them put together. I've developed great respect for him recently.


  • #5713
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Said Merkel was coming to Dublin for a chat and there was still time to get rid of the backstop.


    He also said the the amendment that had enough votes were the Boles amendment and thus it is a way forward. The fact that it is complete fantasy should not escape anyone with any sense whatsoever.


  • #5714
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    British Mps reach consensus on Brexit.. Now that would be some April Fools.


  • #5715
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    EU won't grant extension with out reason like a 2nd vote or GE.

    Brussels losing patience it would seem......

    https://twitter.com/mattfrei/status/1112826645671563265?s=21


  • #5716
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,264 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I missed his statement, does anyone know what he said as his reasons for resigning, I just caught him walking away from his seat.


    He seemed completely broken. Just said that he accepted that he'd failed at trying to get people onside for his idea and said he couldn't continue to represent a party that wouldn't compromise. Then walked out.
    Yeah that was hard to watch. His voice seemed to be cracking. He seemed as you say utterly sick **** of the whole mess.


  • #5717
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Said Merkel was coming to Dublin for a chat and there was still time to get rid of the backstop.

    That's absurd. A fundamental change to the WA needs unanimous approval from the EU27's national and some regional Parliaments and that's even if they agreed to amend the WA which they won't.

    How have they not moved past this? Moreover, why can't they see the damage they have done and are still doing to the union?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #5718
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I missed his statement, does anyone know what he said as his reasons for resigning, I just caught him walking away from his seat.

    Here's it is

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1112827673976426496


  • #5719
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    So after rejecting revoking article 50 if there's no extension or any deal in place the HOC have put no deal back on the table surely?


  • #5720
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,264 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    What did Nigel Dodd’s actually say as I muted him. Was there by any chance anything remotely positive in it ?

    Said Merkel was coming to Dublin for a chat and there was still time to get rid of the backstop.
    Right so no then.


  • #5721
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Well if SF took their Westminster seats, they could have swung the ‘customs union’ option and avoided a hard border. Some use to Ireland they are.


    No, just no. They will not take their seats as they are elected on not taking their seats. This will not happen and we have debated this to death and much emotion on previous threads. Yes they could have but it will not happen so its no use debating it.


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  • #5722
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    It's times like this, that I can recognise great people, regardless of political allegiance.

    Clarke, Grieves, have been great on the Conservative party.

    Labour seem lost, which is a shame.

    Mogs and his ilk are just evil self serving toads, no time for them.


  • #5723
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mod: Post about SF abstentionism deleted. It's off topic.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #5724
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Only one Lib Dem voted for the custom union, out of ten. It lost by 3 votes.


  • #5725
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    He seemed completely broken. Just said that he accepted that he'd failed at trying to get people onside for his idea and said he couldn't continue to represent a party that wouldn't compromise. Then walked out.

    I just caught a second or two of him leaving, and I thought he was choking with emotion.

    Such awful times. But fair play to him for standing by his principles. I hope he will be ok, it is very unusual for an MP to quit live in the Commons!


  • #5726
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    And now on to important matters...a f*cking landfill site.


  • #5727
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Only one Lib Dem voted for the custom union, out of ten. It lost by 3 votes.

    TIG also abstained.


  • #5728
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Only one Lib Dem voted for the custom union, out of ten. It lost by 3 votes.


    Yeah, Clarke mentioned the dilution of votes due to people just voting for their first choice even though they on principle likely had nothing against his motion. Seems that the customs union is the most likely one to get support but Christ knows what happens from here!


  • #5729
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Some numbers on the Customs Union
    - 37 Tories voted for customs union
    - 10 Labour voted against customs union with the DUP
    - 1 Lib Dem voted for customs union.


  • #5730
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    And now on to important matters...a f*cking landfill site.

    I'm laughing here, the MPs are running for the doors.:pac::D


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  • #5731
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    TIG also abstained.

    Long game is probably a 2nd referendum.


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