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Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #5672
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    There has to be a GE now.


  • #5673
    MikeSoys
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭MikeSoys


    so now.... is it either a no deal or TMs deal?


  • #5674
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,431 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Some Tory MP has just resigned from the party.

    Nick Boles I think

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #5675
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Fair play to that man who resigned in public. Who was he, missed it.

    And now we have Dodgy Dodds spouting rubbish once again. OMG this is just awful.


  • #5676
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,082 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Dodds just said that If the PM goes back and gets the backstop sorted then “we are in business”.


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  • #5677
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Fair play to that man who resigned in public. Who was he, missed it.

    And now we have Dodgy Dodds spouting rubbish once again. OMG this is just awful.

    Nick Boles, I think.


  • #5678
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,260 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    What an incredible shambles.

    Norway will not entertain them at all with any kind of deal.


  • #5679
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    GE is the only way to go, and the only real way for an extension. May is gone.


  • #5680
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Dodds just said that If the PM goes back and gets the backstop sorted then “we are in business”.

    Sorted of course means removed and removed means the deal is dead which of course isn't actually progress


  • #5681
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    The DUP aren't even worth talking about at this point.

    Fair play to Nick Boles.


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  • #5682
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    What do they want? They don't know. The poor people of UK and here, and other places will suffer because of this hubris. Disgraceful.

    The trouble is some people want things, but they want something else more, and the something else they want more is less achievable than their second choice and as long as people are not willing to compromise, this is what happens.

    I was a supporter of The Independent Group but they've gone down in my estimation tonight, they are playing Russian roulette with their country. They should be ashamed of themselves.


  • #5683
    Pa8301
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Pa8301


    It's beyond a joke at this stage. The British political system is completely broken.


  • #5684
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    GE is the only way to go, and the only real way for an extension. May is gone.

    And the tories will probably get back in with a Brexiteer leader...


  • #5685
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    Nick Boles, I think.

    It was only a matter of time. He was being deselected by his local party.


  • #5686
    MikeSoys
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭MikeSoys


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    GE is the only way to go, and the only real way for an extension. May is gone.

    so they will ask for extension, call a GE and brexit will be back in 6 months?


  • #5687
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Pa8301 wrote: »
    It's beyond a joke at this stage. The British political system is completely broken.

    Very much so.


  • #5688
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    The DUP aren't even worth talking about at this point.

    Fair play to Nick Boles.

    I missed his statement, does anyone know what he said as his reasons for resigning, I just caught him walking away from his seat.


  • #5689
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    So then another vote?


  • #5690
    RickBlaine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    How about May's WA with a confirmation referendum as an amendment? I wonder would that pass?


  • #5691
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    EU won't grant extension with out reason like a 2nd vote or GE.


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  • #5692
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Never thought I'd say this, but Kenneth Clarke talks far more sense than anyone else in that parliament.


  • #5693
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    RickBlaine wrote: »
    How about May's WA with a confirmation referendum as an amendment? I wonder would that pass?

    Labour already indicated they would support that.


  • #5694
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,703 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    MikeSoys wrote: »
    so they will ask for extension, call a GE and brexit will be back in 6 months?

    Which means they have to hold European Parliament elections as well.

    This too shall pass.



  • #5695
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I missed his statement, does anyone know what he said as his reasons for resigning, I just caught him walking away from his seat.

    May wouldn't compromise.


  • #5696
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just came in and sat down to watch the livestream. Bloody hell, what a short*tshow.....

    Where's all the government MPs?


  • #5697
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    MikeSoys wrote: »
    so they will ask for extension, call a GE and brexit will be back in 6 months?

    Possibly. I think this will drag on, as no one can agree, and nobody wants to be blamed for either no deal, or blocking Brexit either.

    The middle ground has failed to reach a consensus, and every body is divided :(


  • #5698
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Tory's + DUP now only have 323 seats

    I wouldn't be surprised if one or two more resign tomorrow judging by the round of applause Boles got

    There has to be a general election now!


  • #5699
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I don't get why people like her as a political journalist.

    Has she ever broken a story!? Seems to me she just engages in repeating gossip and taking info from print journalists.

    I may have missed something but that's the impression I have.

    It was pointed out yesterday that she is an outsider. She went to a private girls school and to Edinburgh University and that is considered an outsider, tells you much about UK society right now.

    Ohmeha wrote: »
    Inching closer to No Deal. In two weeks time aside from the Tories Labour, Lib Dems and SNP will also be crucified for the opportunities they had to prevent it


    Can I ask, why the SNP?

    As for the votes, I am getting tired of this now. With the cabinet voting there seems little chance of anything passing if the government doesn't support it and you think that May would whip against anything but her deal.

    At least for me it means May cannot yet put her deal against an alternative and she has to put her deal on its own merits where it should fail once again. Some points that has been pointed out regarding the customs union and not having a say is true of her deal as well so if anything it should lose support in a new vote.

    If I were a Brexiter I would vote against her deal and hope that parliament and government is so paralysed that no-deal would be the default. This coincides with the option of revoking as well so for me who wants the UK to remain as it is the best option but it also carries the biggest risk. I am putting my faith in the adults in the room of avoiding that, but that is not guaranteed.


  • #5700
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »

    Where's all the government MPs?

    Abstainance


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  • #5701
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,950 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Did they have the discussion about the Revoke article 50 petition today?


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