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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,615 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    franklyon wrote: »
    Would have been slaughtered though if he had missed. Think it was just himself who thought going for goal was the best option. Still delighted for him of course.


    James Horan`s facial expressions do not give much away doing a game, but had there been a camera on him at the time I think the expression would have been the same as any manager from u12 up in the same situation.
    The one that says "Oooh f**K he is going for goal" :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Those stewarts have no cop on maye Mayo should have had Parsons inside on the bench with the subs. The second coming of Kerry is not what we have been led to beleve they are quite ordinary even after Mayo gifted them two Goals If Mayo had lost Shamie would have been savaged what a brain thing to do . Then after the match he is up in the stand kissing his partner . Great man for the limelight is our
    Shamie.


    Whats a "Shamie"?
    Somebody from Tuam?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    grbear wrote: »

    Yesterday certainly makes the summer look much more interesting. Plainly winning meant more to Mayo than Kerry and it'll be interesting to see just how much it brings them on.



    ...

    I agree with some of what you wrote. But!
    I keep reading about how it meant so so much to Mayo as if we had the monopoly on that motivation. Kerry played out of their skins yesterday. They wanted to win every bit as much as we did.
    The want or need to win had nothing to do with the score. We have beaten them twice in a week and, are a better team. That's why we won.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Big moment for me was when Aido got a yellow for a tussle in the middle of the field. Some Kerry guy hanging out of him on our kick-out. He was straight onto Hennelly - "down on top of me please" Up he went and plucked it, such defiance. Massive statement of intent.

    Agreed.

    Just to pop in with my big spoon.

    It was a good moment for Hennelly too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    grbear wrote:
    Yesterday certainly makes the summer look much more interesting. Plainly winning meant more to Mayo than Kerry and it'll be interesting to see just how much it brings them on.

    Wouldn't necessarily agree. That's a good Kerry team that wanted to win, had the wakeup call recently too.

    As suggested on other threads they might have an issue in the final stages of games. It could well be a factor. It was well worth testing the 2018 Kerry to the very end. Many talk about it being a fittness thing, but it might be a head issue. These new Kerry lads will have to put it to bed though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Stoner wrote: »
    Wouldn't necessarily agree. That's a good Kerry team that wanted to win, had the wakeup call recently too.

    As suggested on other threads they might have an issue in the final stages of games. It could well be a factor. It was well worth testing the 2018 Kerry to the very end. Many talk about it being a fittness thing, but it might be a head issue. These new Kerry lads will have to put it to bed though.


    Managed to watch the game back and I definitely think a big part of it is fitness. They were huffing and puffing in the last 10, and very disorganised, like they'd run out of legs to support each other. A couple of players seemed to be standing off the tackle too. I actually felt we bullied them a little, physically, looking back on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,131 ✭✭✭NabyLadistheman


    Anyone else think O'Shea looks a good bit lighter? I don't think he'd have gotten around the field like that last year

    O'Shea is definitely leaner, lost a good few KG's Id say. Hennelly and a few others have shed pounds as well. Great stuff form Horan and his backroom team. I thought after the frantic 20 minutes burst after half-time both teams were getting a breather for a big finish. Mayo finished full of running & Kerry tired quicker. Amazing to have the likes of Boyler & Andy to spring form the bench. Never had anything like those options previously.
    Stoner wrote: »

    It was a good moment for Hennelly too.

    I've been an advocate of Hennelly for the longest time. Those booming kick-outs are required in Croke Park, end of story. He got us up the pitch countless times. Horan has instilled confidence back into his game and you can see it in his performances. I am absolutely delighted for him because you can be sure he has been to hell and back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Stoner wrote: »
    Wouldn't necessarily agree. That's a good Kerry team that wanted to win, had the wakeup call recently too.

    As suggested on other threads they might have an issue in the final stages of games. It could well be a factor. It was well worth testing the 2018 Kerry to the very end. Many talk about it being a fittness thing, but it might be a head issue. These new Kerry lads will have to put it to bed though.

    They will come on as they've talent coming through but if I was from Kerry I wouldn't be happy with the fact that they haven't really addressed their defensive issues... which have been there for all to see, for a few years.

    They've also been losing ground on the S&C front. Mattie Ruane lifting their Diarmuid O'C off the ground by the collar towards the end (when their DO'C got his second yellow) sums that up for me. 2 new lads to both teams, in the same position but a massive gulf in strength.

    The longer Buckley is there the better they will get. But tactically they have me puzzled. Started the league with a blanket and it was getting results but they seemed to move away from that as the league went on. That was mirrored in yesterday's match, we really struggled when they sat back in the first half... we were running up blind alleys from 10-25 mins... but then they let it open up in the 2nd half.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    I've been an advocate of Hennelly for the longest time. Those booming kick-outs are required in Croke Park, end of story. He got us up the pitch countless times. Horan has instilled confidence back into his game and you can see it in his performances. I am absolutely delighted for him because you can be sure he has been to hell and back.


    Yes indeed. I felt watching it back he looked a little nervy at the start, but he settled nicely and finished the game out strongly. He seems to have a good connection with O'Shea in the middle. He slowly seems to be regaining his confidence.
    I am of the belief that Horan favours Hennelly in goals and will pick him come championship. I think the kickouts are more important for the running game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Is it just me but id be quite happy without making a league final and all the hype an ****e that would bring etc. The target is a Connacht final win and the super 8's, i dont think a league final does anything to help that.

    Well i've change my tune i can tell you. :o:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,300 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Well over all I think that was a good league from Mayo.

    They got off to a good start so there was no relegation fears like previous season.

    They had good away wins v Tyrone and Kerry and they beat Kerry again a few week later.
    And the home form was good.

    They used plenty of new players and seem to have found some good ones too in the likes of Plunket, Ruane, and McDonagh.
    Even as late as the final Horan was introducing new players and James Carr had a great debuted on Sunday.
    The redemption of Robbie Hennely was great to see, really good to have two guys neck and neck for that jersey.
    Fergal Boland really contributed down the stretch, even though I was cursing him in the first half of the final not being too quick to fist over points when goals might have been on.


    It makes a great change from relegation battles and trying to find positives in what are often bad outings.

    On the flip side I think we have to look at negatives also

    Could not beat Galway, could not break them down, that was depressing

    Were really poor v Dublin, whether that was a game that they really did not target it's hard to know, but it would have been good to have kept the momentum going at the time.

    It's also unfortunate to see the likes of Loftus not develop and make a shirt his own, and the continued lack of form from Regan

    This thread swung from being in a league final after two games to not being able to beat Roscommon come summer after five, and in the end they ended up winning it, which none of us really expected.

    Well done Mayo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    Congratulations mayo on a great win as a Limerick man I was thrilled for ye I'm far from a big football man but seeing as i was there I'd stay on for the football and to say I enjoyed it would be an understatement. Last August when we won the hurling it was the noise in the last few minutes that will stay with me forever if mayo ever get to win the big one i can only imagine what that noise will sound like going on yesterday. Again far from an expert but I think ye've a chance this yr. Best of luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    PARlance wrote: »
    Well there goes my theory, wasn't expecting all the elder statesmen to start but I thought we would see Keegan, Higgins and Barrett start. I think Boyle and Moran will be used as impact subs this year.

    Horan got there in the end... was expecting him to start a similar team as he did in the final against Monaghan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Foireann na Sraithe rognaithe ag Sorcha Furlong,Mark Harte agus Aodan Mac Gearailt.

    Cad a cheapann sibh?

    1. Shane Ryan
    2. Eoghan Kerrin
    3. Jack Sherwood
    4. Keith Higgins
    5. Paddy Durcan
    6. Paul Murphy
    7. Tom O Sullivan
    8. Brian Fenton
    9. Matthew Ruane
    10. Mattie Donnelly
    11. Sean O Shea
    12. Shane Walsh
    13. Peter Harte
    14. Dean Rock
    15. Conor McManus

    Nil me ro shasta!

    How on earth was Aidan not selected?:confused:

    Enjoyed watching the game back.

    Still got the OTB podcasts and GAA hour podcasts to digest.

    Diarmuid was immense for that final 20 minutes but largely peripheral to the action earlier.His goal was reminiscent of his goal against the same opposition in the 2017 semi final replay.

    As stated Aidan O Shea gets so many of the plaudits and rightly so.

    However Keith Higgins yet again demonstrated form is temporary but class is permanent.

    He was simply immense,when the going get tough...

    Doc had an off day with his freetaking but he owes us nothing.Cillian return can't come soon enough.

    It was a very nervy first half for the lads with much criticism of the fact we crawled over the line.Hopefully this will hopefully prove a cathartic experience for the team.

    Every loss down through the years has made it that tad harder to overcome that psychological barrier much like Sisyphus.

    I did note the wind yesterday but Aodan Mac Gerailt emphasised the strength of same.So in spite of all my doom and gloom a four point deficit was surmountable.We were creating albeit failing to take our goal chances.

    I was very concerned our full back line was going to be taken to the cleaners but Chris Barrett and Brendan Harrison ultimately won their battles.Ultimately James Horan trusted his men to go man on man.

    I thought our transition in the first half was a tad too slow and every wide and ball dropped into the goalkeeper sucked the collective energy out of the support.Every decision that goes against you,ball rebounding off the post and goal chance missed when you are seeking an elusive national title sparks a feeling of ominous deja vu.

    At half time I was disappointed Robbie Hennelly failed to collect that high ball and missed those frees but by full time I was toasting a wonderful save,his overall excellence under the high ball and distribution.Kerry definitely targeted him under the high ball.

    I am so happy for the lad who has his disappointments in the past.The call for the number one jersey come championship will be interesting.As many have mentioned I think James Horan will go with him come championship on the basis of his superior distribution.

    Young James Carr deserves many plaudits for kick starting the fight back in the second half.I recall the young Ardagh man scoring the goal that ultimately won us the Connacht under 21 title in 2016 against the odds.Great to see a young man show no fear and kick a score off of either foot.

    His comrades we met in Gills pre match must be immensely proud.The first man to represent Mayo from this relatively new junior club living on the doorstep of the Stephenites.

    Although Lee Keegan largely stifled Sean O Shea I still think he's not quite back to his best.Although his manmarking duties hinder his natural inclination to attack he's not attacking at the same pace and his radar is definitely off when it comes to taking a score.

    Matthew Ruane is fulfilling all that undoubted potential he demonstrated in 2016 with the All Ireland 21 winning team.We are a bit short of cover in the middle.

    For a relatively slight lad Fergal Boland has demonstrated he is well able to hold his own in the physical exchanges.His ball intelligence and distribution is very good.

    Much like Aidan Kevin Mc is a great man to win a turnover.Darren Coen got on plenty of ball but much like Evan Regan his shot selection is less than optimum.

    Andy Moran brought a lot of craft and guile and ability to do the seemingly simple things very well whilst the game was in the melting pot.

    Fantastic that yet another wonderful servant of the green and red Boyler made such a telling contribution to us getting over the line.

    Well done to young Ciaran Treacy,coolness personified in delivering the killer blow.

    It was great to see what seemed all members of the extended panel celebrating the win.James Horan as one expects has created an immense collective solidarity from 1-26 and beyond.It bodes well for the future.I am optimistic we have created a significantly greater depth in the panel.Same is necessary if we enter super 8s territory.

    Wonderful to see the stalwarts of this era finally get some degree of reward for their efforts,they're a credit to our county.

    There really is a different feeling when you clinch a national title even if it's not the one we ultimately crave as opposed to the loneliness of Croke Park after an All Ireland loss.Yesterday was a special day but will be soon forgotten when championship comes.

    I lost my mate as he headed off for celebratory pints as I set off west in splendid sunshine listening to the wonderful Ed Smith's songs of praise.

    Thanks to all for the overwhelmingly congratulatory posts post our win,I'm sure the ceasefire will end come championship.

    Hats off to the Kerry supporters who were very magnaminous in defeat.You guys will be back winning all Irelands although hopefully not before we win one.

    David Clifford is a joy to behold in full flight,Stephen O Brien an oft unsung hero was exceptional yesterday.Sean O Shea will grace Croke Park with his brilliance many times going forward.

    I thought Diarmuid's speech was very understated but hit all the pertinent points,real quality.

    I do agree with the sentiment that our ability to win the big prize will come down to our ability to maximise our returns up front,we simply can't afford that level of profligacy in front of the posts.Otherwise we'll simply have to dominate possession,a difficult task against a team striving for a five in a row.Not sure if comparisons with the unsullied are valid,elite fighters that they are.Irrespective of their anatomical isssues as far as I recall greyworm got the girl.:)

    So let's head straight for that front door in Connacht as per James Horan mark 1 and as Father Tod has mentioned a hopefully more favourable group in the super 8s.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,312 ✭✭✭bobbyss


    Probably been asked before but what happened the old jerseys?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭muddle84


    Hearing the Mayo New York game is being moved to Yankee stadium??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    muddle84 wrote: »
    Hearing the Mayo New York game is being moved to Yankee stadium??

    Umm...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,300 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    muddle84 wrote: »
    Hearing the Mayo New York game is being moved to Yankee stadium??

    What are the going to do ?

    Play it as the curtain raiser to Yankees v Twins that starts at 1.05pm that day ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    muddle84 wrote: »
    Hearing the Mayo New York game is being moved to Yankee stadium??
    Did you hear that yesterday by any chance?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭muddle84


    God damnit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭grbear


    Call me Al wrote: »
    I agree with some of what you wrote. But!
    I keep reading about how it meant so so much to Mayo as if we had the monopoly on that motivation. Kerry played out of their skins yesterday. They wanted to win every bit as much as we did.
    The want or need to win had nothing to do with the score. We have beaten them twice in a week and, are a better team. That's why we won.

    Really I should have went with "meant more to Mayo than it would have meant to Kerry."

    Stating the obvious but we wouldn't have seen the same level of delight in either the Kerry players or fans if they had won on Sunday.



    Good to see you didn't want to disagree with my last point. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Sebastian Dangerfield


    grbear wrote: »
    Stating the obvious but we wouldn't have seen the same level of delight in either the Kerry players or fans if they had won on Sunday.

    They seemed pretty elated when they beat Dublin 2 years ago!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    grbear wrote: »
    Really I should have went with "meant more to Mayo than it would have meant to Kerry."

    Stating the obvious but we wouldn't have seen the same level of delight in either the Kerry players or fans if they had won on Sunday.



    Good to see you didn't want to disagree with my last point. :)

    Re the players? No it's not obvious at all.
    Otherwise, I don't take the bait.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    seligehgit wrote:
    How on earth was Aidan not selected?

    It's difficult to get 8 and 9 from the same county in these teams


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,457 ✭✭✭✭km79


    muddle84 wrote: »
    God damnit

    LOL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Sebastian Dangerfield


    Stoner wrote: »
    It's difficult to get 8 and 9 from the same county in these teams

    Not for Brian Howard, and he didn't even play in midfield!

    *edit: Referring to 2018 Allstars


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Anyone else picking their Championship team yet :(

    I think Cillian in for Coen would be the only change I would make.

    I think most of the team picks itself with Hennelly, Vaughan, Boland & Carr probably the one's that people would debate?

    Vaughan, he's a starter in the HB line in CP for me. His running is relentless. His kicking, maybe not as spectacular.
    I may be jumping the gun but I think Carr's debut was one of the most promising from a Mayo forward in a long time. Boland a starter for me as well, just adds the something extra. Hennelly for his kick outs is a must for me.

    Andy, McDonagh, Seamie, Boyle, S Coen 5 real impact subs. Quite a few others behind them that could slot in as well.

    Not overly convinced by D Coen, there's talent there (some of his kick-passing was super) for sure but I would worry about decision making. A much better option than Regan in any case.

    Cannot wait to see them back in CP again, if we can get there...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Vaughan is a dodgy one. He's a great direct runner, but his kicking can be horrific and he can be responsible for some horrible wides too. That all said, I think Horan will pick him because of that running power and he's a great man for dragging opposition players out of position.
    Seamie might be spending most of the year on the bench? I don't see Ruane losing his place.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Anyone know what's the story with Cian Hanley. I know he is injured but I've heard nothing for a long time. He was outstanding as a young player and might still be able to make a big contribution later this year.


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