Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

PressRun

Blackjack wrote: »

Agree there. To be fair that seems to be standard referee cop out. By the same token Kerry’s Do’C might have felt similarly aggrieved for his second yellow. He was pretty consistent in his approach overall I felt.

He can definitely feel aggrieved. Didn't think that was a fair yellow at all.

NabyLadistheman

I was disappointed to see us get involved In that nonsense at the end. We were 4 points up & if you cannot close that game out with 2 minutes to go then good luck. Surprised at Durcan as well

km79

Suarezistheman wrote: »

I was disappointed to see us get involved I that nonsense at the end. We were 4 points up & if you cannot close that game out with 2 minutes to go then good luck. Surprised at Durcan as well

I was delighted
Been on the other side of it too many times
We are learning

The rule makers have ignored it for years
Why should we be the Martyrs ?

NabyLadistheman

km79 wrote: »

I was delighted
Been on the other side of it too many times
We are learning

The rule makers have ignored it for years
Why should we be the Martyrs ?

I could understand it if we had been a point up, but 4 points, come on. We spent long enough giving out about Dublin doing it, just because we were on the receiving end of it doesn't give us the right to act as despicably cynical.

Had Clifford scored that goal you can be guaranteed that we would not have been able to get back up the pitch because Kerry would have done the same thing, especially as we were a man down. To suffer that against Dublin previously in an All-Ireland and again on Sunday I think I would have been physically sick. Time for the authorities to do something about this now

Blackjack

km79 wrote: »

I was delighted
Been on the other side of it too many times
We are learning

The rule makers have ignored it for years
Why should we be the Martyrs ?

This. If don’t like it, but until the rule makers implement something and ensure it is applied consistently to stamp this out, I would prefer to have our lads at is as much as anyone else. I’m sure the various teams that have done it with some success over the years when the game is nearing conclusion don’t feel at all bad about the medals such behavior ensured they were given.

So yeah, I was absolutes delighted to see it and I’ve no doubt if the tables were turned it would be done to us.

PressRun

I felt Kerry's O'Connor lad could have felt aggrieved at the second yellow, but for sure I'm not complaining if we employ a bit of cynicism to get over the line. Any team that's serious about winning does it. Is it nice to watch? No, but it is what it is, and as km says, it's going on long enough now that I don't see why we should be the ones to try and die on the hill of doing things the "honourable way". It hasn't gotten us anywhere so far.

Heard someone (maybe Colm Parkinson) giving out about Paddy with something along the lines of why would he do something like that to a 19 year old kid like Sean O'Shea. This is top level inter county football. If they feel he's good enough to be thrown in at the deep end, then he's old enough to take the scrap that comes with it. I haven't listened to any GAA analysis in a long time, I'd forgotten about all the hand wringing that tends to go with a lot of it these days.

km79

Suarezistheman wrote: »

km79 wrote: »

I was delighted
Been on the other side of it too many times
We are learning

The rule makers have ignored it for years
Why should we be the Martyrs ?

I could understand it if we had been a point up, but 4 points, come on. We spent long enough giving out about Dublin doing it, just because we were on the receiving end of it doesn't give us the right to act as despicably cynical.

Had Clifford scored that goal you can be guaranteed that we would not have been able to get back up the pitch because Kerry would have done the same thing, especially as we were a man down. To suffer that against Dublin previously in an All-Ireland and again on Sunday I think I would have been physically sick. Time for the authorities to do something about this now

It was time for the authorities to do something about it after Limerick in 2014
So until there is a clampdown on it why in God’s name would we pass up the chance to close out a final as the Dubs have done to us knowing that there are no repercussions?
Let the rule makers clean it up first

If we are 4 points up in injury time in AI and we don’t do absolutely everything to close it out I would ask questions

Nice guys finish last

km79

PressRun wrote: »

I felt Kerry's O'Connor lad could have felt aggrieved at the second yellow, but for sure I'm not complaining if we employ a bit of cynicism to get over the line. Any team that's serious about winning does it. Is it nice to watch? No, but it is what it is, and as km says, it's going on long enough now that I don't see why we should be the ones to try and die on the hill of doing things the "honourable way". It hasn't gotten us anywhere so far.

Heard someone (maybe Colm Parkinson) giving out about Paddy with something along the lines of why would he do something like that to a 19 year old kid like Sean O'Shea. This is top level inter county football. If they feel he's good enough to be thrown in at the deep end, then he's old enough to take the scrap that comes with it. I haven't listened to any GAA analysis in a long time, I'd forgotten about all the hand wringing that tends to go with a lot of it these days.

O shea won’t be long learning down in Kerry
You can be sure of that

They are winners . They donwhat it takes

I am incredulous that Mayo supporters would be upset by it !

mayo.mick

km79 wrote: »

It was time for the authorities to do something about it after Limerick in 2014
So until there is a clampdown on it why in God’s name would we pass up the chance to close out a final as the Dubs have done to us knowing that there are no repercussions?
Let the rule makers clean it up first

If we are 4 points up in injury time in AI and we don’t do absolutely everything to close it out I would ask questions

Nice guys finish last

And we know all about that only too well

Surprised there hasn't been a hatchet job done on us yet about it. Remember Brolly the week before the final with Donegal, "masters of the dark arts" :mad:

MayoAreMagic

mayo.mick wrote: »

And we know all about that only too well

Surprised there hasn't been a hatchet job done on us yet about it. Remember Brolly the week before the final with Donegal, "masters of the dark arts" :mad:

A bad act. Id have no problem if it was the truth, but in reality our semi win was such a hatchet job attempt at cynicism, where we just fouled them in front of the posts, thereby giving them certain scores from a a raft of half chances. It helped them back into the game if anything.
Whereas the team he was glorifying, donegal, were systematically fouling out the field for any restart they didnt win, so thet could get back into defensive position.
It sums up a lot of brollys famed analysis - all fur coat but no knickers.

MayoAreMagic

PressRun wrote: »

I felt Kerry's O'Connor lad could have felt aggrieved at the second yellow, but for sure I'm not complaining if we employ a bit of cynicism to get over the line. Any team that's serious about winning does it. Is it nice to watch? No, but it is what it is, and as km says, it's going on long enough now that I don't see why we should be the ones to try and die on the hill of doing things the "honourable way". It hasn't gotten us anywhere so far.

Agreed but AOS' first yellow was laughable. In fact it was for someone doing to him exactly what durcan done to sean oshea.

PARlance

Do we know that Durcan started it?
Going 4 points down with a minute to go, it could have been O'Shea that lost the head. Think he has a bit of fight in him.

Not that I'm trying to deflect, nor would I be bothered if Durcan started it.

Kerry wasted their own time as it developed as well. There were 4 of them grappling with Harrison & Ruane.

MayoAreMagic

PARlance wrote: »

Do we know that Durcan started it?
Going 4 points down with a minute to go, it could have been O'Shea that lost the head. Think he has a bit of fight in him.

Not that I'm trying to deflect, nor would I be bothered if Durcan started it.

Kerry wasted their own time as it developed as well. There were 4 of them grappling with Harrison & Ruane.

Fairly confident he did. I think there might have been an element of returning the favour from 2014 to it... Dead right too.

PARlance

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Fairly confident he did. I think there might have been an element of returning the favour from 2014 to it... Dead right too.

While it suits a certain narrative (that many of us may want to believe), I don't think it was as cynical at all or that Durcan was the instigator.

Clifford pointed at 72:00 to bring the gap to the minimum. By the time Hennelly was taking the kickout, about 20 seconds later, O'Shea was the aggressor and trying to hold Durcan back from making a run for the kickout. Another 15 seconds or so we had gone up the field and got the goal. The 2 had gone to ground. Durcan may have dragged him down but O'Shea wasn't an innocent party in it anyway.

Westernyelp

blockfighter wrote:

Are there many people on here heading for New York next month?

Heading over with a good gang. Should be fun

MayoAreMagic

PARlance wrote: »

While it suits a certain narrative (that many of us may want to believe), I don't think it was as cynical at all or that Durcan was the instigator.

Clifford pointed at 72:00 to bring the gap to the minimum. By the time Hennelly was taking the kickout, about 20 seconds later, O'Shea was the aggressor and trying to hold Durcan back from making a run for the kickout. Another 15 seconds or so we had gone up the field and got the goal. The 2 had gone to ground. Durcan may have dragged him down but O'Shea wasn't an innocent party in it anyway.

Well in fairness, guys get blocked or held for every kickout. But not every one of them ends up with one lad lying on top of another and refusing to get up. Because of that, id argue that durcan was the aggressor for the schmozzle.

BandMember

PressRun wrote: »

Heard someone (maybe Colm Parkinson) giving out about Paddy

Your first mistake was listening to anything that Colm Parkinson said or content he is involved with.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

A bad act. Id have no problem if it was the truth, but in reality our semi win was such a hatchet job attempt at cynicism, where we just fouled them in front of the posts, thereby giving them certain scores from a a raft of half chances. It helped them back into the game if anything.
Whereas the team he was glorifying, donegal, were systematically fouling out the field for any restart they didnt win, so thet could get back into defensive position.
It sums up a lot of brollys famed analysis - all fur coat but no knickers.

Seriously, why the f**k does anyone listen a word Brolly says??? He always has a flavour of the month and promotes them to the highest degree possible while bad mouthing (and outright blatantly lying if needs be) about their opponents.

If anyone cares to take a trip down memory lane, he was the biggest cheerleader for Tyrone during the Noughties and then Donegal under McGuinness "who reinvented the game". Then, when they started losing and some other winner came along, Mickey Harte is the Devil who is destroying Tyrone and football with his tactics and McGuinness is responsible for every fault and flaw in the game from U-8 level up to intercounty level.

He's a gobsh*te lads and lassies, pay no attention to him. Watch the games on Sky and you'll see some proper analysis and pundits who have done their research and homework - not a couple of lads who stroll in and ask "so, who's playing today?" before spending the rest of the show trying to force their pre-rehearsed soundbites and agendas in as many times they can, no matter how irrelevant they are to the actual game and discussion.

Blackjack

BandMember wrote: »

Your first mistake was listening to anything that Colm Parkinson said or content he is involved with.



Seriously, why the f**k does anyone listen a word Brolly says??? He always has a flavour of the month and promotes them to the highest degree possible while bad mouthing (and outright blatantly lying if needs be) about their opponents.

If anyone cares to take a trip down memory lane, he was the biggest cheerleader for Tyrone during the Noughties and then Donegal under McGuinness "who reinvented the game". Then, when they started losing and some other winner came along, Mickey Harte is the Devil who is destroying Tyrone and football with his tactics and McGuinness is responsible for every fault and flaw in the game from U-8 level up to intercounty level.

He's a gobsh*te lads and lassies, pay no attention to him. Watch the games on Sky and you'll see some proper analysis and pundits who have done their research and homework - not a couple of lads who stroll in and ask "so, who's playing today?" before spending the rest of the show trying to force their pre-rehearsed soundbites and agendas in as many times they can, no matter how irrelevant they are to the actual game and discussion.

To be fair to Parkinson he’s not the worst. He has the balls to call out all the Weasels like Brolly and Brehany (and the rest of their fellow travellers from the Independent group of newspapers) on their various agendas, unlike most other commentators.
Fogarty in the Examiner would be the exception really, he is not driven by agenda and his writings are articulate and well written, which is rare enough. The problem with most GAA commentary is the lack of analysis and the fact that anything decent plays second fiddle to the sensationalist nonsense and agenda driven, sly, sneery sound bites. With the notable exception of Colm Keys, the Indo and Herald are by far the worst of the lot.

RobbieRuns

He might court controversy but on the whole............... I agree with what Brolly says (most of the time). He constantly has a go at Galway on their style of play (he is correct) he praises Corofin and their attacking style (he is correct). He has a pop at negative football and blanket defences...... and I agree with him. His recent article on the situation in the North and the GAA helping to integrate people into a new post brexit Ireland was one of the best articles that I have read in many a year.

As for the Sky analysis over RTE, sorry lads, wee Peter does not do it for me with charts and arrows all over the show !!!!

I could go on.......... I like Brolly, his writing is better than his TV work, just don't let him annoy you.

seligehgit

Pretty harsh commentary on Wooly.

IMO the GAA hour is a very good listen.

Colm Keys is very good and I find Micheal Foley a very good read in the Times.

PressRun

I know there are good GAA journalists out there, but I do find that by the time the football championship comes around the majority of them do end up falling prey to the kind of pearl clutching and finger pointing that seemed to start out on RTE with Joe Brolly's rant against Sean Cavanagh. They all love to act like they're so scandalised by off the ball shenanigans and cynicism in the game, to the point of singling players out for scrutiny and even putting pressure on the organisation to change the rules of the game (and I do believe a lot of rule changes have come about because of pressure from media figures). I find it tiresome to listen to, whether it's Mayo or Dublin or Tyrone or whoever they're talking about, because above all else it's just totally disingenuous and done purely for the sake of sensationalism and attention. These fellas mean to tell everyone that they're so shocked and appalled by the conduct of inter-county footballers while also lauding the club game, where the same and worse is going on all the time. It's just not believable and it misrepresents where football is really at and what state our game is in.
I don't know enough about the hurling analysis to say for sure, but it doesn't seem like they have as many 'pundits' who love the sound of their own voices as much as we have in football.

PARlance

PressRun wrote: »

I know there are good GAA journalists out there, but I do find that by the time the football championship comes around the majority of them do end up falling prey to the kind of pearl clutching and finger pointing...

To look at it from the other side. If you were a decent journalist who likes to analyse games, tactics etc... you're faced with learning nothing significant about Kerry or Dublin until they win their provincials later in the Summer. There's a bit more competition in Connacht and Ulster but still a lot of nothing games.

A lot of column inches to be filled and not a lot of meaningful games to talk about or learn from.

There's the potential for a great Summer of football but it won't happen until the Provincials are part of the Championship.

Idle minds and all that...

PressRun

PARlance wrote: »

To look at it from the other side. If you were a decent journalist who likes to analyse games, tactics etc... you're faced with learning nothing significant about Kerry or Dublin until they win their provincials later in the Summer. There's a bit more competition in Connacht and Ulster but still a lot of nothing games.

A lot of column inches to be filled and not a lot of meaningful games to talk about or learn from.

There's the potential for a great Summer of football but it won't happen until the Provincials are part of the Championship.

Idle minds and all that...

Sure, I get it. And most of it is all about clicks/views, etc. But it is the main reason I don't listen to or read much GAA analysis anymore. I'm tired of reading about how such and such a player is a brat or how such and such a manager is ruining the game. And I think it seeps into the mentality of supporters too. You can tell when someone's been reading too many of these articles.

PARlance

PressRun wrote: »

Sure, I get it. And most of it is all about clicks/views, etc. But it is the main reason I don't listen to or read much GAA analysis anymore. I'm tired of reading about how such and such a player is a brat or how such and such a manager is ruining the game. And I think it seeps into the mentality of supporters too. You can tell when someone's been reading too many of these articles.

True, that's why I enjoy Parkinson's show. He challenges those views quiet often.

Audioslaven

This is brolly's best piece and hits the nail on the head. it's why other counties have a go at him.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-i-think-lee-keegan-is-the-best-footballer-to-ever-play-for-mayo-36018691.html

BandMember

Blackjack wrote: »

To be fair to Parkinson he’s not the worst. He has the balls to call out all the Weasels like Brolly and Brehany (and the rest of their fellow travellers from the Independent group of newspapers) on their various agendas, unlike most other commentators.

Parkinson is just a lesser known Brolly - he's been called out himself on the amount of rubbish he's come out with.

PressRun wrote: »

Sure, I get it. And most of it is all about clicks/views, etc. But it is the main reason I don't listen to or read much GAA analysis anymore. I'm tired of reading about how such and such a player is a brat or how such and such a manager is ruining the game. And I think it seeps into the mentality of supporters too. You can tell when someone's been reading too many of these articles.

Yep. Whenever someone responds to me or starts trying to make a point by agreeing with Brolly said, I just walk away because you know they haven't a clue...

Audioslaven wrote: »

This is brolly's best piece and hits the nail on the head. it's why other counties have a go at him.

More like that piece sums up the hypocrisy of Brolly, how he makes it up as he goes along and changes his opinion at the drop of a hat depending on which way the wind is blowing. He's done plenty of hatchet jobs on Keegan down the years, especially in the run up to big matches against whatever team he was head cheerleader for at the time.

There are a few good G.A.A. journalists around, you just won't find them in The Irish Independent or The Evening Herald. Or on RTÉ for that matter either.

seligehgit

Information for New York v Mayo Connacht Championship Meeting



http://connachtgaa.ie/news/ticket-information-for-new-york-v-mayo-connacht-championship-meeting/

Bunny Colvin

seligehgit wrote: »

Information for New York v Mayo Connacht Championship Meeting



http://connachtgaa.ie/news/ticket-information-for-new-york-v-mayo-connacht-championship-meeting/

Any word on how they're being distributed by The County Board? I'd imagine you'd have to be there early to get in on the gate.

MayoAreMagic

Audioslaven wrote: »

This is brolly's best piece and hits the nail on the head. it's why other counties have a go at him.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-i-think-lee-keegan-is-the-best-footballer-to-ever-play-for-mayo-36018691.html

But who actually says he isn't a top player? A press gang from dublin and supporters of teams where he has just shut down their leading light? Hardly objective.

I seen a thread somewhere or othat about a player you would like from another county, keegan swept the board.

Keegan is the most complete footballer in the game today, if not ever. He can do everything to an elite level and has ridiculous consistency in doing so. James mccarthy comes colsest but he probably isnt as accurate. Id be half tempted to stick him in goals for a game just to see if he could do that too.
Anyone knocking him as a player either hasnt a clue or has ulterior motives as far as im concerned

BandMember

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Any word on how they're being distributed by The County Board? I'd imagine you'd have to be there early to get in on the gate.

How many are they even getting? No word on how many tickets are going on sale either - if it's all ticket, it'll be sold out in no time and there will no pay on the day availability. You can be sure that will cause problems if people turn up and can't get in (which I think is going to happen anyway).