John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

Exclamation Marc · 28-03-2019 04:15PM

salmocab wrote: »

2060 will likely need a rebuild it will be a 50 year old stadium at that stage and if sports attendance is still similar then people will want a better experience by then. I’m not arguing anything for Delany as the fai were basically handed the opportunity by the government and the irfu.

It won't be torn down. Given the lands its on and the lack of real estate that it can expand into, you'd essentially be building the same stadium again.

D14Rugby · 28-03-2019 04:44PM

I can't believe people bring out the whole argument of saying that everyone against Delaney is selectively picking and choosing what to assign to him, nobody is, it just so happens that the "good people" in the FAI are doing good things and the "bad people" aren't, that's not hard to imagine, that's normally how things work in the world.

Here's the summary of it: Delaney controls how much money each committee gets, those committees then decide what to do with that money.
This is what happens, Delaney under funds the committees that don't interest him (ie anything not titled Legal & Corporate Affairs) and basically gives them the money the government have said "this has to be spent in this area", these committees then split the money up into further sub sections and assign people to decide what to do with money there.
These are the people who for the most part are the ones doing a good job and doing a lot with very little. The thing that Delaney is very good at is spotting potential for power, say a club are getting funding and a member for that club is high up on the league board, Delaney will be down there, handing over the cheque, getting the press there, cutting the ribbons, supplying the plaques, giving it the old "when I saw this application I had to pass it with all the good work going on here in the community" getting all the people involved in this club on side so when it comes to him getting a specific person elected in their area there's a vote.
He's the king of claiming credit where he's done nothing at all but the club's chairman is just happy to get a new astro and the parents just see the Facebook posts and think what a nice bloke when really it's Enda and Jane working for the FAI for half nothing doing all the work processing and assessing the applications.
Exact same with the LOI everything good "yes we at the FAI are very encouraging of the league and did everything we could to help", everything the clubs try do that may embarrass the FAI for not doing it "nope you can't do that" but of course those statements aren't attributed to our glorious leader publicly.

dan1895 · 28-03-2019 09:14PM

First ten minutes of LOI Weekly was dedicated to the Delaney saga over the last couple of days. I think Dan McDonnell offers a good insight into recent happenings.

Listen to LOI WEEKLY S03 EP07 with Harry Kenny by LOIWeekly #np on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/user-914121770/loi-weekly-s03-ep07-with-harry-kenny

Irishmale0399 · 28-03-2019 10:44PM

sugarman wrote: »

Could be some big news tonight

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1111291565945819137

Lets hope it takes them all down

Corholio · 29-03-2019 12:58AM

The statements from all the various region 'leaders' today have been sickening, if not altogether surprising. The one from Gerry Gorman, also a member of FAI senior counsel by total coincidence, was especially hilarious and Trump supporter-like.

https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/status/1111406070239354887?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E3.

Also the Leinster Senior League were not consulted at all when the Leinster heads released their statement.

https://twitter.com/LSLLeague/status/1111367921106849795?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E3

Oat23 · 29-03-2019 01:19AM

Corholio wrote: »

The statements from all the various region 'leaders' today have been sickening, if not altogether surprising. The one from Gerry Gorman, also a member of FAI senior counsel by total coincidence, was especially hilarious and Trump supporter-like.

It's more North Korean than American to be honest. It's ridiculous how these leaders act towards him. Exactly like a North Korean would talk about Kim Jong-un.

Here is Sligo-Leitrim kissa*se Noel Kennedy speaking at an FAI AGM.

“I had the privilege last year, John, of saying that you are the best CEO that the FAI ever had and, on your home patch, I would like to say ‘thank you’ for proving me correct,” stated Kennedy, who has experienced a road to Damascus conversion since the turn of the century on Delaney.

“The reports given today show how lucky we are to have a person of your calibre guiding us into the future,”

D14Rugby · 29-03-2019 02:03AM

sugarman wrote: »

Could be some big news tonight

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1111291565945819137

Could be something big behind this considering the timing of all the letters of support. LSL saying the LFA chair didn't consult them sums the validity of them up really.

dundalkfc10 · 29-03-2019 08:04AM

Corholio wrote: »

The statements from all the various region 'leaders' today have been sickening, if not altogether surprising. The one from Gerry Gorman, also a member of FAI senior counsel by total coincidence, was especially hilarious and Trump supporter-like.

https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/status/1111406070239354887?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E3.

Also the Leinster Senior League were not consulted at all when the Leinster heads released their statement.

https://twitter.com/LSLLeague/status/1111367921106849795?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E3

Dundalk clubs have confirmed they were not asked (id assume no club was) in the NEFL that Gerry Gorham signed on behalf of the league

osarusan · 29-03-2019 08:11AM

sugarman wrote: »

Could be some big news tonight

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1111291565945819137

Mackenna has released more info, including a few specific allegations, later in that conversation.

Let's hope there is something concrete in all of it.

Oat23 · 29-03-2019 11:48AM

I don't want to link the sun but this is their headline this morning. I'm interested to see if FAI money was wasted on this or not.

jmayo · 29-03-2019 12:41PM

Ahh so that was why the FAI were paying for Delaney's rent, it was part of their crusade against homelessness.

Fair fooks to them, great bunch of lads:D

Next year they will probably do something for the people who suffered from hurricanes in the Caribbean by sending John over to Antigua and Barbados for a few weeks.

Idbatterim · 29-03-2019 12:49PM

That Nadia ford thing is just beyond a joke. They couldn’t find a talentless good looking girl in Dublin? F*cking hell!

Corholio · 29-03-2019 02:16PM

What Sadlier said recently about ex players should be speaking up about it is spot on.

There was hardly a peep from Stephen Kelly in midweek sandwiched between Duff and Sadlier. That wouldn't have anything to do with him escorting Delaney around to clubs during the summer festival of football I wonder.

expectationlost · 29-03-2019 03:10PM

what should ex footballers be saying, are they financial governance experts? We'll have to wait to see what Sports Ireland says.

Corholio · 29-03-2019 04:20PM

sugarman wrote: »

Regardless of his own stance on the matter, I dont think its the smartest move to be shooting your mouth off about your current employer live on TV. What has he to gain by doing that? I know id be saying nothing with my own career in mind.

Is he employed by the FAI? I didn't know he was. I'd understand that then, although I'd question his suitability as a pundit if so, given the current situation.

major bill · 29-03-2019 04:20PM

Corholio wrote: »

What Sadlier said recently about ex players should be speaking up about it is spot on.

There was hardly a peep from Stephen Kelly in midweek sandwiched between Duff and Sadlier. That wouldn't have anything to do with him escorting Delaney around to clubs during the summer festival of football I wonder.

I honestly got the impression Stephen Kelly had no clue, these are guys playing in England all their lives, I don't think they are clued in as much.

Corholio · 29-03-2019 04:25PM

major bill wrote: »

I honestly got the impression Stephen Kelly had no clue, these are guys playing in England all their lives, I don't think they are clued in as much.

Probably true as well ya, I may be a little harsh on him :P

Ferris_Bueller · 29-03-2019 04:45PM

This thread on twitter seems to be getting a bit of attention if anyone wants to give it a read.

https://twitter.com/tclansee/status/1111618904844132353

Obviously not good to see clubs folding and facilities being poor etc, but you would have to wonder is this a symptom of there simply being too many leagues/clubs in the country? I don't know anything about soccer in Limerick so someone feel free to correct me if I'm completely wrong.

But the Limerick Desmond league seems to be a league that caters for 'teams from the part of County Limerick west of the N20' according to wikipedia. Is there a need to have so many clubs in a half of a county with a population of less than 200,000? You would think that in terms of facilities it would be much better for everyone if clubs pooled together for facilities, whether that was sharing facilities or merging clubs.

I don't know too much about junior football in the country really but there are so many leagues and associations it is incredible. I'm pretty sure this is something Ruud Dokter identified as one of the issues in Irish football as everyone was looking out for their own club/league, each of these clubs and leagues all have boards and chairmen as well who all want to have a say in how things are run. We will probably never have a real pyramid system in Ireland but it is so fragmented the way it is now.

Corholio · 29-03-2019 04:54PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

This thread on twitter seems to be getting a bit of attention if anyone wants to give it a read.

https://twitter.com/tclansee/status/1111618904844132353

Obviously not good to see clubs folding and facilities being poor etc, but you would have to wonder is this a symptom of there simply being too many leagues/clubs in the country? I don't know anything about soccer in Limerick so someone feel free to correct me if I'm completely wrong.

But the Limerick Desmond league seems to be a league that caters for 'teams from the part of County Limerick west of the N20' according to wikipedia. Is there a need to have so many clubs in a half of a county with a population of less than 200,000? You would think that in terms of facilities it would be much better for everyone if clubs pooled together for facilities, whether that was sharing facilities or merging clubs.

I don't know too much about junior football in the country really but there are so many leagues and associations it is incredible. I'm pretty sure this is something Ruud Dokter identified as one of the issues in Irish football as everyone was looking out for their own club/league, each of these clubs and leagues all have boards and chairmen as well who all want to have a say in how things are run. We will probably never have a real pyramid system in Ireland but it is so fragmented the way it is now.

Someone mentioned in the comments that Wexford haven't got one full size astro available despite the league there being quite large. I don't know much about Wexford football so I don't know if this true, but astonishing if if it is Same person says he'd blame the people in charge in Wexford rather than the FAI, but they are more than happy to take the credit for facilities around the country, what about the places that don't have them.

Chancer3001 · 29-03-2019 05:07PM

Corholio wrote: »

Someone mentioned in the comments that Wexford haven't got one full size astro available despite the league there being quite large. I don't know much about Wexford football so I don't know if this true, but astonishing if if it is Same person says he'd blame the people in charge in Wexford rather than the FAI, but they are more than happy to take the credit for facilities around the country, what about the places that don't have them.

I typed astro pitch wexfird in to google..

The state of the art facilities at Ferrycarrig include multiple all weather astroturf pitches

First hit is that above from wexford fc - no idea what size they are tho

jmayo · 29-03-2019 06:28PM

Corholio wrote: »

Someone mentioned in the comments that Wexford haven't got one full size astro available despite the league there being quite large. I don't know much about Wexford football so I don't know if this true, but astonishing if if it is Same person says he'd blame the people in charge in Wexford rather than the FAI, but they are more than happy to take the credit for facilities around the country, what about the places that don't have them.

The other worrying thing is the amount of games.
I know of one lad on a u14 team in Wexford and they might have a game every couple of weeks or sometimes not for a month if a cancellation.

AFAIK they were trying to do something similar in Wicklow where teams only have games every couple of weeks.
The idea is kids can be shared between age groups.
The u12s play this week and some of the kids then play u13s next week.
That is an idea for clubs short on numbers, but for clubs not short it means some lads don't get football for couple of weeks and if match cancelled then no match for a month maybe.

They are going to lose the interest of kids that want to compete.

GAA matches every week with training a couple of times a week and if doing both codes in some areas, then that could be 3 to 5 days training and playing, why bother with soccer training when hardly any matches.

Other huge issue for Leinster counties bordering Dublin is the amount of teams that are now playing in Dublin league because the other counties leagues are disaster.

Corholio · 29-03-2019 06:39PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I typed astro pitch wexfird in to google..

The state of the art facilities at Ferrycarrig include multiple all weather astroturf pitches

First hit is that above from wexford fc - no idea what size they are tho

Er....the size is specifically why they were saying it. I don't know if it's true, just wanted to know from someone who might.

johnnyryan89 · 29-03-2019 06:56PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

This thread on twitter seems to be getting a bit of attention if anyone wants to give it a read.

https://twitter.com/tclansee/status/1111618904844132353

Obviously not good to see clubs folding and facilities being poor etc, but you would have to wonder is this a symptom of there simply being too many leagues/clubs in the country? I don't know anything about soccer in Limerick so someone feel free to correct me if I'm completely wrong.

But the Limerick Desmond league seems to be a league that caters for 'teams from the part of County Limerick west of the N20' according to wikipedia. Is there a need to have so many clubs in a half of a county with a population of less than 200,000? You would think that in terms of facilities it would be much better for everyone if clubs pooled together for facilities, whether that was sharing facilities or merging clubs.

I don't know too much about junior football in the country really but there are so many leagues and associations it is incredible. I'm pretty sure this is something Ruud Dokter identified as one of the issues in Irish football as everyone was looking out for their own club/league, each of these clubs and leagues all have boards and chairmen as well who all want to have a say in how things are run. We will probably never have a real pyramid system in Ireland but it is so fragmented the way it is now.

Yeah desmond league is basically west county Limerick and in junior soccer you only have the two different leagues in Desmond and District. In underage you have Desmond, District and County which is East county Limerick. In the Desmond you've already had clubs amalgamate with AK United, think it was Adare and Kilcornan that joined together and recently you had the two Newcastle West clubs amalgamate which nobody thought would ever happen.

Yeah he had a problem with the way junior football is organised but the FAI aren't gonna upset the junior clubs. At least with the schoolboys Dokter brought in the Player Development Plan to try and have every schoolboy league singing from the same hymn sheet.

Was a joke before that each league could do their own thing, we played a team in North Tipp before in the national cup and when they arrived in to us they had to ask the ref was it 7v7, 9v9 or 11v11 as they played 7v7 or 9v9 in their own league but had to play 11v11 in the national cup.

Chancer3001 · 29-03-2019 07:00PM

Corholio wrote: »

Er....the size is specifically why they were saying it. I don't know if it's true, just wanted to know from someone who might.

Yup. It would be weird to build multiple small astros in a county with no full astro tho. Which is why i posted that quote with multiple in it

Irishmale0399 · 29-03-2019 09:28PM

sugarman wrote: »

Delaney Out flag was confiscated at Oriel

Plenty of voices to be heard...they can sing it...no need for a flag

johnnyryan89 · 29-03-2019 09:34PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Plenty of voices to be heard...they can sing it...no need for a flag

The fine is probably already in the post as we speak.

Irishmale0399 · 29-03-2019 09:37PM

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

The fine is probably already in the post as we speak.

If it hasnt already arrived.....JD knows the owners have money and they put pressure on him not too long ago regarding streaming rights...;);)

Assume flag wasnt allowed in to ensure he hadnt any reason to hit them or ignore their demands.

29-03-2019 09:52PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Lets hope it takes them all down

It will change absolutely nothing long term just removing Delaney or one or two other suits. The culture is utterly rotten within the organisation.

It needs to be gutted through and through. Disbanded even if it's possible to do so and supplanted with something else (although the equally corrupt UEFA and FIFA who dont consider playing participants of the game or supporters for one second would undoubtedly make it as awkward for Ireland in this scenario as possible.

29-03-2019 09:53PM

sugarman wrote: »

Delaney Out flag was confiscated at Oriel

Pathetic. This is the nanny state we are living in now where an opinion cant be voiced or displayed. I didnt agree with the tennis balls being thrown at the particular time in the match that they were thrown the other night but i can certainly understand the frustration regular fans have with the FAI.

I dont blame the LOI clubs for implementing this because they were strong armed into it.

johnnyryan89 · 29-03-2019 09:55PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

If it hasnt already arrived.....JD knows the owners have money and they put pressure on him not too long ago regarding streaming rights...;);)

Assume flag wasnt allowed in to ensure he hadnt any reason to hit them or ignore their demands.

Possibly. Volunteered with Limerick and back when we hosted Pats in the league cup final we had a meeting about the cup final and things that needed to be done. In the meeting we were told any flags about JD/FAI will result in fines for Limerick as we were the home team so confiscate any that Pats brought.

John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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