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Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I still see 75 going off route and in estates it shouldn't even be near.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    I still see 75 going off route and in estates it shouldn't even be near.

    Where is this happening?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Where is this happening?

    Ballinteer, Dundrum area


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    I know GAI have taken on more drivers since they've taken over more routes which might explain it I havent heard of it happening though from what I've heard on social media. I've used GAI services a good few times and haven't had many issues apart from the fact RTPI is a bit off. But other than that I wouldn't really notice much of a difference between GAI and DB services.


  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭Fizzy Duck


    I still see 75 going off route and in estates it shouldn't even be near.

    Probably new drivers. With new routes coming online, some drivers have moved around. Saying that they should be route trained and if unsure they can be allocated a guide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I've even seen ones on route training go down estates no bus goes into.

    I've seen in service where driver was alone and 2 where they actually had another staff member standing beside them.

    175 has come in through Dundrum terminus wrong way, meadow grove has had at least 2 75 go into the estate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    They may have taken a wrong turn onto Barton Road and ended up going into Meadow Grove to try to get back on route.


  • Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭n!ghtmancometh


    Saw two double deck 76's heading towards Tallaght within 5 mins of each other at Newlands X this evening. Good luck to them tomorrow!


  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭Fizzy Duck


    I've even seen ones on route training go down estates no bus goes into.

    I've seen in service where driver was alone and 2 where they actually had another staff member standing beside them.

    175 has come in through Dundrum terminus wrong way, meadow grove has had at least 2 75 go into the estate.

    Not excusing it. It shouldn't happen. I personally don't understand how it can happen. I've driven all the routes at this stage with same or less route training.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Fizzy Duck wrote: »
    Not excusing it. It shouldn't happen. I personally don't understand how it can happen. I've driven all the routes at this stage with same or less route training.

    Can be extremely confusing especially to someone that wouldn't have ever been in a certain area so wouldn't know the roads.

    Lack of training seems to be the main reason though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭Fizzy Duck


    Can be extremely confusing especially to someone that wouldn't have ever been in a certain area so wouldn't know the roads.

    Lack of training seems to be the main reason though.

    They are out route learning a fair bit. How much learning is done, I don't know. If I had my way I'd test the guys on routes they had learned so they know it in and out in darkness and light. It is too much of box ticking exercise atm.


    Driver says he knows the 75 send him out on the 75. I'd bet they can tell you where to get a nice coffee or lunch though ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    I still see 75 going off route and in estates it shouldn't even be near.

    The worst example of this that I witnessed, was a Dublin Bus a couple of years ago.

    It was labelled route 4, which should have terminated in Monkstown Avenue, but somehow found itself in Lower George's Street, DunLaoghaire.

    The driver drove it forwards into St Michael's Hospital, then reversed out onto the street.

    There are plenty of drivers who make errors, like everyone, but this took the biscuit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Can be extremely confusing especially to someone that wouldn't have ever been in a certain area so wouldn't know the roads.

    Lack of training seems to be the main reason though.

    How much driver training would you expect them to do to be fair. I believe GAI are giving the same amount of training to drivers as DB typically would. How many would a driver be expected to do a route in training before they are considered to know the route fully and would be allowed run it in service. I believe it happens where drivers are sent out on routes which they haven't been trained on if they're stuck for drivers. At least we don't have have too many low bridges here in Dublin anyway as I reckon one or two double deckers may have been turned into single deckers at this this stage didn't that happen in Bray years ago :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭.G.


    Are they still doing multiple routes in one shift? That can't be helpful, especially to new drivers. DB way is best with this IMO, one route for the whole day. Even with that mistakes can be made if the route your on is similar to another one but far less likely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    .G. wrote: »
    Are they still doing multiple routes in one shift? That can't be helpful, especially to new drivers. DB way is best with this IMO, one route for the whole day. Even with that mistakes can be made if the route your on is similar to another one but far less likely.

    That is correct I'm not sure if they are doing as much as they were at the very start but yes they are doing it alright. It looks as if where there are multiple routes terminating at the same terminus they are worked by the same bus and drivers. For example in Dun Laoghaire the 45a, 59, 63 and 75 are interworked, Blackrock the 17 and 114 are interworked, in Bray with the 184 and 185, the 104 and 220 at DCU and at the Airport with the 102 and 33a.

    I think they are doing it so aren't wasting fuel running buses out of service for long stretches and means drivers aren't spending time sitting at a terminus waiting to go out. For example they have a number of routes in DL as I already mentioned which is a fair run dead run from Ballymount OOS as the 75 terminus in Tallaght isn't far from Ballymount they'd send a 75 from Tallaght to DL and then from DL they'd do a 45a, 63 or 59.

    This created problems as the 75 is long route prone to traffic so it would mean any delays would have a knock on effect on other DL routes they are supposed to be operating on the same duty somi think they are more so doing it off peak and early in the morning but I could be wrong as there have been less issues with DL routes lately by the looks of things. An odd sight there I saw a few weeks ago was a 63 into DL and then turned into a 75 and then two minutes a 75 came in and turned into a 63.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭john boye


    Have Express Bus taken one of the Wright Gemini trainers from GAI? They have one in service which looks very like one that GAI were using.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,537 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Have all routes now moved over?

    476267.jpg


    GAI / TFI 11521 on route with an unidentifed DB route 83 at Kenilworth Crossroads yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭thomasj


    The 18 is probably the closest that go-ahead is in service to the city centre?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    Liffey Valley is being used as a changeover point for GA drivers on the 76.

    It's also interworked with the 18. When drivers on the 76 reach Chapelizod, they then go to Palmerstown to commence an 18.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭.G.


    Single decker on the 76 heading for Tallaght this afternoon around the time that the secondary schools finish. That can't be good, the 76 used to be jammed on a double deck when I drove it years ago around school times.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Haven’t heard any complaints so far today, seen a couple of services curtailed but other then that go ahead seem to be a definite improvement to what came before them. Hopefully things stay that way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    .G. wrote: »
    Single decker on the 76 heading for Tallaght this afternoon around the time that the secondary schools finish. That can't be good, the 76 used to be jammed on a double deck when I drove it years ago around school times.

    I thought the single deckers were only meant to be on it during the evening and weekends when there's less passengers could be to do with the fact the 102 is supposed to have gone to mostly double deckers now. The frequency has gone up to every 20 mins from 30 mins which should mean more capacity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I thought the single deckers were only meant to be on it during the evening and weekends when there's less passengers could be to do with the fact the 102 is supposed to have gone to mostly double deckers now. The frequency has gone up to every 20 mins from 30 mins which should mean more capacity.

    What’s the capacity or the streetlights vs the double decks do you know?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    sugarman wrote: »
    33a on Abbey St.

    33a doesn't go to Abbey Street runs from the Swords/Airport to Skerries/Balbriggan. 33 runs from Abbey Street but is run by DB.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    What’s the capacity or the streetlights vs the double decks do you know?

    45 vs 95 I believe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    I heard some great things about go-ahead so it will be interesting to see how they handle the 18 later today (Tue) when the football is on in the Aviva.

    Will they put on extra buses or leave folks waiting for an hour on the next one like DB does when the bus is full?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    I heard some great things about go-ahead so it will be interesting to see how they handle the 18 later today (Tue) when the football is on in the Aviva.

    Will they put on extra buses or leave folks waiting for an hour on the next one like DB does when the bus is full?

    Well if the bus companies don't get the fare box (which they don't) I can't see a reason for them to put on extra services.

    A phone call to nta saying can I take the fare box if I run extra services or can you pay an extra subvention for extra services should be made by Go Ahead however I don't see it likely to generate a result.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭howiya


    Well if the bus companies don't get the fare box (which they don't) I can't see a reason for them to put on extra services.

    A phone call to nta saying can I take the fare box if I run extra services or can you pay an extra subvention for extra services should be made by Go Ahead however I don't see it likely to generate a result.

    Do Luas run extra trams for events in the 3 arena? What’s the arrangement there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    howiya wrote: »
    Do Luas run extra trams for events in the 3 arena? What’s the arrangement there?

    I belive they do. I'm sure they receive an extra subvention of some sort for it.

    The reason why I believe that the bus is not an option is because I'm sure if it was it would be done by now. If it was being done tonight I'm sure it would be advertised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭Stephen Gawking


    Has the 18 been rerouted? Haven't had a chance to look it up since sunday but there was an 18 driving down the Crumlin road this evening & the poor fella driving it looked like he was sweating buckets.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Has the 18 been rerouted? Haven't had a chance to look it up since sunday but there was an 18 driving down the Crumlin road this evening & the poor fella driving it looked like he was sweating buckets.

    No it's still on the same route as it was with DB. Driver may have taken a wrong turn


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Got the 18 to and from the stadium. Very slow! I know they are new drivers but crawling along at 15kph is no good to anyone.

    Also on both journeys I paid the correct €3 cash fare. Yet the tickets both said I had paid €2.15... Where is the 85c going???


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Got the 18 to and from the stadium. Very slow! I know they are new drivers but crawling along at 15kph is no good to anyone.

    Also on both journeys I paid the correct €3 cash fare. Yet the tickets both said I had paid €2.15... Where is the 85c going???

    They probably hit the wrong button I've done it myself a couple of times..Majority of them are all New this and only getting use to the wayfarer give them a chance and the 85c doesn't go to GAI if that's what your thinking..NTA take all cash fares


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    I heard some great things about go-ahead so it will be interesting to see how they handle the 18 later today (Tue) when the football is on in the Aviva.

    Will they put on extra buses or leave folks waiting for an hour on the next one like DB does when the bus is full?

    DB put on extra citybound buses - VTs displaying a "4", not extra 18s.

    I got the 2100 ex-Sandymount 18 tonight. Very slow, running slow - not late, just slow. Getting to stops about 15 minutes slower than the DB service did. At least it was a double decker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭Stephen Gawking


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    No it's still on the same route as it was with DB. Driver may have taken a wrong turn
    Its destination display read crumlin hospital so that would be a fairly direct route i imagine.


  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭Muller1991


    Has there been an official start date announced for the kildare routes yet ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Muller1991 wrote: »
    Has there been an official start date announced for the kildare routes yet ?

    No but November has been muted from what I've heard


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    dfx- wrote: »
    I got the 2100 ex-Sandymount 18 tonight. Very slow, running slow - not late, just slow. Getting to stops about 15 minutes slower than the DB service did. At least it was a double decker.

    Could be a newly trained driver but I'd say it was more likely that the driver was driving slow to keep on time and not run early as unlike Dublin Bus Go-Ahead drivers are not allowed run ahead of schedule and various timing points not sure if that's NTA policy or internal GAI policy.

    It's also happened me on a GAI bus where the driver pulled in at a stop for about 5 minutes as he was running early.


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Could be a newly trained driver but I'd say it was more likely that the driver was driving slow to keep on time and not run early as unlike Dublin Bus Go-Ahead drivers are not allowed run ahead of schedule and various timing points not sure if that's NTA policy or internal GAI policy.

    It's also happened me on a GAI bus where the driver pulled in at a stop for about 5 minutes as he was running early.

    I was driving the 184 and when I got to greystones I was 7 minutes early have to sit there till it goes to 0 on the avl.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Could be a newly trained driver but I'd say it was more likely that the driver was driving slow to keep on time and not run early as unlike Dublin Bus Go-Ahead drivers are not allowed run ahead of schedule and various timing points not sure if that's NTA policy or internal GAI policy.

    It's also happened me on a GAI bus where the driver pulled in at a stop for about 5 minutes as he was running early.

    Dont think thats the case. The 18 I got was crawling and was overtaken by another 18 on Appian Way and there was another 18 behind us when we eventually got to Northumberland Rd.

    Our driver must have been going that slow that the two buses behind caught up and one was able to pass us!

    I kept humming the theme music from Driving Miss Daisy!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    There was hardly anything else on the road but still drove ridiculously slow. A DB 18 would have taken about 20 mins for my journey in those conditions.

    This bus took 35 mins. My record for walking from the Aviva to my house is 37 mins!

    You could fail a driving test for going as slow as this guy. "Failure to make significant progress" or something similar.

    Edit- post I was replying to deleted.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    I'm a little confused.

    Here you seem to suggest that a bus that left 40 minutes after yours caught you up.
    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Dont think thats the case. The 18 I got was crawling and was overtaken by another 18 on Appian Way and there was another 18 behind us when we eventually got to Northumberland Rd.

    Our driver must have been going that slow that the two buses behind caught up and one was able to pass us!

    But here you state that the bus journey only took 35 minutes.
    prinzeugen wrote: »
    There was hardly anything else on the road but still drove ridiculously slow. A DB 18 would have taken about 20 mins for my journey in those conditions.This bus took 35 mins. My record for walking from the Aviva to my house is 37 mins!

    Reason being if your trip took 35 minutes it wouldn't be possible for the bus that left 40 minutes after yours to catch you up because your journey was complete before it would have left where you initially got on.

    This would be possible however if they were running extra departures on route 18 for the match, which some people have told us did not happen. Seems they may be wrong from what you are saying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭Qrt


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Dont think thats the case. The 18 I got was crawling and was overtaken by another 18 on Appian Way and there was another 18 behind us when we eventually got to Northumberland Rd.

    Our driver must have been going that slow that the two buses behind caught up and one was able to pass us!

    I kept humming the theme music from Driving Miss Daisy!

    Go-Ahead’s new drivers (so the vast majority) are very to the book and extremely careful. First time I got the 175, the driver took approximately 30 seconds to pull into every stop, and at a few stages I thought he was stopped!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Interesting observation in Ballyfermot while I was in a construction traffic queue @ 2157 tonight:

    RTPI at Bus Stop No. 2689
    Ballyfermot Rd, Blackditch Drive

    showed the following:

    Bus 1: 76 CHAPELIZOD 4min
    Bus 2: 18 SANDYMOUNT 17min
    Bus 3: 18 SANDYMOUNT 17min
    Bus 4: 40 CHARLESTOWN 18min

    Why is the 76 showing as 4min when the bus itself is 4 vehicles ahead of me in the queue?
    Why is the 18 duplicated?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Qrt wrote: »
    Go-Ahead’s new drivers (so the vast majority) are very to the book and extremely careful. First time I got the 175, the driver took approximately 30 seconds to pull into every stop, and at a few stages I thought he was stopped!

    Not always true I was on a GAI bus there a few weeks ago and the driver was booting it. Most I've been on have driven to the speed limit only once or twice the driver was going particularly and I got the impression this was to keep to the schedule as I had come across this particular driver on a previous occasion and he was going at a regular speed.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Interesting observation in Ballyfermot while I was in a construction traffic queue @ 2157 tonight:

    RTPI at Bus Stop No. 2689
    Ballyfermot Rd, Blackditch Drive

    showed the following:

    Bus 1: 76 CHAPELIZOD 4min
    Bus 2: 18 SANDYMOUNT 17min
    Bus 3: 18 SANDYMOUNT 17min
    Bus 4: 40 CHARLESTOWN 18min

    Why is the 76 showing as 4min when the bus itself is 4 vehicles ahead of me in the queue?
    Why is the 18 duplicated?

    The 76 could be running ahead of schedule or there could be bunching. The two 18s could be an error as there have been lot's of problems with the TFI RTPI on GAI buses since the changeover.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    The 76 could be running ahead of schedule or there could be bunching. The two 18s could be an error as there have been lot's of problems with the TFI RTPI on GAI buses since the changeover.

    I think Stephen, I was being more than rhetorical. And be realistic, you'd need a miracle to bunch the 76s.

    Re the 18s, yes, that is the case, but how is this still an issue at this stage of a handover?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    I think Stephen, I was being more than rhetorical. And be realistic, you'd need a miracle to bunch the 76s.

    Re the 18s, yes, that is the case, but how is this still an issue at this stage of a handover?

    I've seen 63s and 45as bunched together so a 76 wouldn't surprise me.

    Anytime there's been a handover of routes so far there's been issues with the RTPI.


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    sugarman wrote: »
    76 was a joke this evening, first bus either didnt show or came really early. 2nd was a single decker that was full and didnt stop and the bus I caught was 20mins late! Was over an hour waiting. 2hrs to get home.

    They are putting single deckers on the routes that are not meant to be is cause there is a shortage of buses believe it or not someone in the NTA couldn't count by the looks of it there was even a single decker on the 45A aswel


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I've seen 63s and 45as bunched together so a 76 wouldn't surprise me.

    Anytime there's been a handover of routes so far there's been issues with the RTPI.

    NTA is in charge rtpi unfortunately GAI wanted to take control of there routes just like Dublin bus does sure GAI are not allowed to have there own app like DB ridiculous


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