Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Wibbs · 27-03-2019 06:54PM

topper75 wrote: »

Does this comment imply that anybody expressing concerns about excessive immigration and lax policies in that regard is a racist?

It's the usual narrative for the torchbearers of multiculturalism. When their arguments fail, as they inevitably do when faced with the decades long experience of other European nations that have run this idiotic experiment, the next tactic is to try and silence any questions of their politic by pulling the racism card. This goes triple for measured thought out questions. Dribbling morons shouting Muslamic Rayguns! and sporting swastika tats is low hanging fruit, but valid questions rattle them.

Wibbs · 27-03-2019 06:55PM

mad muffin wrote: »

As a foreign national. I always wonder if the Irish are okay with their country being transformed?

Its all good. We'll have better restaurants apparently. And more colourful festivals.

Beechwoodspark · 27-03-2019 07:02PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Its all good. We'll have better restaurants apparently. And more colourful festivals.

Don’t forget “lively” socialising

AlekSmart · 27-03-2019 07:13PM

Kivaro wrote: »

But here's the thing; migrants from Muslim countries will not vote for Sinn Fein, and there are substantial numbers of Pakistani, Algerian, and other Muslim-dominated countries magically living here (i.e. outside the usual medical/professional route). They all can't be married to Irish girls?

Nigerians and other Africans will start to elect their own brethren very soon in Ireland because their numbers have drastically increased here too.

No matter how many houses Sinn Fein gives away to economic migrants or how much they get their social welfare increased; these migrants are very unlikely to vote for Sinn Fein in the future. These new voters will unlikely vote for an United Ireland also, so Sinn Fein's open door stance is very odd.

Very pertinent point Kivaro,or at least it was to the President of the High Court...(the IRISH one,that is).

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/defective-doctor-recruitment-poses-danger-to-patients-judge-says-1.3689751

The judgment noted that the doctor had never previously worked in any paid capacity in any other hospital anywhere and two consultants said he did not meet the “most basic” standards of competence of doctors practising “at this very junior level”.

Not TOO bad then.....?

The judge said the doctor was recruited despite never being registered to practice medicine in the country where he received his medical degree or in his native country.

While he had self-described himself as having been a senior house officer (SHO) in a UK hospital, a letter from the NHS made clear he was merely an observer in a department of medicine and was to have no hands on contact with patients.

The doctor said he applied for every SHO job on the HSE website but kept getting replies saying he lacked experience. He was eventually shortlisted for an interview and started working in an Irish hospital earlier this year.

We may well be sniggering at our Nearest Neighbours and their Brexit woe's,but maybe,just maybe there's something to be learned here also ?

But,sure'n it could happen to the best of us.....:rolleyes:

MrFresh · 27-03-2019 07:20PM

topper75 wrote: »

Does this comment imply that anybody expressing concerns about excessive immigration and lax policies in that regard is a racist?

Certainly not anybody.

topper75 wrote: »

An excessive influx of Irish Americans back to Ireland would also be an issue for me. Same race as me. But I ain't supporting them all getting in here unchecked just because they decide. We have limited resources and public service capacity. Scarcity is the cornerstone of economics (unless you are into bat excrement socialism magic money tree stuff).

What is the issue with us managing our borders? Are they not the very definition of our country?

I'm not aware of anyone who advocates against managing our borders or limiting immigration. But that has nothing to do with this thread. This thread is for people to rant against black people. That's all it is. You even have people trying to argue that Ireland never had an issue with violent gangs until black youths appeared. The reality is some black youths are involved in crime and antisocial behaviour. In places with larger proportions of black families there are larger proportions of black youths involved in crime. But they are no more prone to violence or anti social behaviour than white people. We have places in Dublin where youths have tried to kill Gardaí and where gang fights have been going on for decades. And that's not even getting into drug related crime. But these things are just accepted now. Yet whenever evidence of a black person doing something bad comes to light the pearl clutchers arrive to lament the loss of our culture.

GinAndBitter wrote: »

It was only some black comedy.

Comedy it wasn't. It's the racist equivalent of telling a woman to get back in the kitchen.

Wibbs wrote: »

It's the usual narrative for the torchbearers of multiculturalism. When their arguments fail, as they inevitably do when faced with the decades long experience of other European nations that have run this idiotic experiment, the next tactic is to try and silence any questions of their politic by pulling the racism card. This goes triple for measured thought out questions. Dribbling morons shouting Muslamic Rayguns! and sporting swastika tats is low hanging fruit, but valid questions rattle them.

Considering the racist comment I was responding to I'm surprised to see you pull the victim card on this one. But perhaps you think a banana comment is well thought out.

Kivaro · 27-03-2019 07:28PM

mad muffin wrote: »

As a foreign national. I always wonder if the Irish are okay with their country being transformed?

Multiculturalism is a good thing Mad Muffin for numerous reasons, but when an influx of economic migrants are imposed on an indigenous population under the guise of the asylum process; then it is just all contrived. The government is now acting in stealth-mode with the placement of non-EU economic migrants because the numbers that we see all over the country just does not match up to what we are being officially told.

There is a town near me that has been transformed substantially in the last few months. There was a sizeable population of working non-Irish in the town already, but lately Africans started arriving to the town in large numbers.

Housing is the number one issue that young people in that town have. They have to compete against an apparently cash-rich council that is snapping up any available properties in the town, which is used to house social welfare recipients and migrants/refugees. The irony is that young working couples now have to move to rural areas surrounding the town in order to have any chance of buying a house. And I'm talking about old country cottages and old farmhouses, as being their only viable option for housing.

It is the height of insanity when young workers have to leave their hometowns and cities in order to find affordable housing in the country, while refugees and social welfare recipients who do not work get houses near to sources of employment.

This country has gone bonkers. Roll on the next election. While the opposition parties are horrible, an election will still give us the opportunity to "punish" Fine Gael for lying through the teeth when they said that they would look after the workers of the country.

thegreengoblin · 27-03-2019 07:28PM

What's clear to me over the past few posts in here (although I already suspected it) is that some people are not just unwilling but unable to have an intelligent debate on this issue. I'm no wishy washy PC merchant and there are clearly issues that need to be discussed on this matter. But throwing out racist insults says it all about a person's intellectual capacity.

Kivaro · 27-03-2019 07:42PM

MrFresh wrote: »

I'm not aware of anyone who advocates against managing our borders or limiting immigration.......

Since you are new, MrFresh, I can help you with that.

Sinn Fein will work for the achievement of the optimal position of no restriction on immigration to Ireland and deplores all attempts to limit the numbers of political and economic refugees into the country.

That was taken from a previous Sinn Fein Ard Fheis, and can be found on their website.
Just to repeat, the third largest political party in the country wants no restriction on migrants coming into Ireland.
Now I know that Sinn Fein are bad at math, but how on earth can we provide free housing, welfare, healthcare, etc. for all who want to come here from far flung countries?

There are others besides Sinn Fein ....... with the existing government just about going through the motions as if we had borders in place. Leo Varadkar wants another million in the country, and an amnesty to all those currently here illegally will help with his goal.

not yet · 27-03-2019 07:47PM

topper75 wrote: »

Does this comment imply that anybody expressing concerns about excessive immigration and lax policies in that regard is a racist?

An excessive influx of Irish Americans back to Ireland would also be an issue for me. Same race as me. But I ain't supporting them all getting in here unchecked just because they decide. We have limited resources and public service capacity. Scarcity is the cornerstone of economics (unless you are into bat excrement socialism magic money tree stuff).

What is the issue with us managing our borders? Are they not the very definition of our country?

Certainly not, It's when you call them ' Gangs of black youths' this poster has a problem with. Although for the fcuking life of me I'm not sure what else you could call them.

GinAndBitter · 27-03-2019 07:49PM

not yet wrote: »

Certainly not, It's when you call them ' Gangs of black youths' this poster has a problem with. Although for the fcuking life of me I'm not sure what else you could call them.

You're not supposed to call them black.

https://twitter.com/db_dublin/status/1110227130401673217?s=19

not yet · 27-03-2019 07:52PM

mad muffin wrote: »

As a foreign national. I always wonder if the Irish are okay with their country being transformed?

Depends really..

If people come here to make Ireland a better place and contribute to the Country, then I've no problem.

If people travel 1000s of km over,above and around 'safe' countries, bypass all the rules, then wish to indulge in crime and cause chaos, then fcuk that, NO.

Wibbs · 27-03-2019 07:56PM

MrFresh wrote: »

Considering the racist comment I was responding to I'm surprised to see you pull the victim card on this one. But perhaps you think a banana comment is well thought out.

Ahhh... yes, I forgot about the twin pillars of deflection and misrepresentation also brought to bear in such debates by the multiculturalists. Did I condone the comment? I did not nor would not. I did respond to this comment by Topper: Does this comment imply that anybody expressing concerns about excessive immigration and lax policies in that regard is a racist?
But you well knew that. Or you didn't. You were either debating dishonestly, or didn't actually read what I was responding to and ran on the usual prejudicial angle. No other option really, but I have my own suspicions as to what option you were gunning for and it was an extension of what Topper pointed out. In either case thank for illustrating my point so well.

not yet · 27-03-2019 08:00PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

You're not supposed to call them black.

https://twitter.com/db_dublin/status/1110227130401673217?s=19

Non white ? People of colour ? I'm being serious here, what is the correct thing.

Put's a whole new meaning to 'is it cause I'm a person of colour'.

Boggles · 27-03-2019 08:01PM

Kivaro wrote: »

Since you are new, MrFresh, I can help you with that.

Sinn Fein will work for the achievement of the optimal position of no restriction on immigration to Ireland and deplores all attempts to limit the numbers of political and economic refugees into the country.

MrFresh, that quote is 21 years old.

Just so you know.

GinAndBitter · 27-03-2019 08:02PM

not yet wrote: »

Non white ? People of colour ? I'm being serious here, what is the correct thing.

Put's a whole new meaning to 'is it cause I'm a person of colour'.

Fùck knows, the black man was about to call the white man a n*gger but called him a racist instead. Weird.

not yet · 27-03-2019 08:03PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

he was a bad dangerous cnt that knew how to work the gullible media

Who, Joe Duffy...?

Sand · 27-03-2019 08:08PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

You're not supposed to call them black.

https://twitter.com/db_dublin/status/1110227130401673217?s=19

Real life Uncle Ruckus?

Wheeliebin30 · 27-03-2019 08:09PM

Boggles wrote: »

MrFresh, that quote is 21 years old.

Just so you know.

What’s changed?

Boggles · 27-03-2019 08:10PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

What’s changed?

Since 1998?

The world.

Wheeliebin30 · 27-03-2019 08:20PM

Boggles wrote: »

Since 1998?

The world.

But clearly not Sinn Féins policies.

Witty reply by the way, well thought out.

Boggles · 27-03-2019 08:27PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But clearly not Sinn Féins policies.

How do you know, are you familiar with there up to date policies?

I don't support them myself.

But you would agree throwing up any policies from any party that are over 20 years without citing that fact is pretty disingenuous, agreed?

Kivaro · 27-03-2019 08:49PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But clearly not Sinn Féins policies.

Witty reply by the way, well thought out.

Indeed Wheelie, Sinn Fein's policy on open borders have not changed. The original Ard Fheis motion that was passed unanimously has not been replaced or ammended, which is why Sinn Fein's representatives continue to advocate for open borders when asked publicly.

Boggles · 27-03-2019 08:51PM

Vote the National Party No. 1!!!!

:rolleyes:

MrFresh · 27-03-2019 10:51PM

Kivaro wrote: »

Since you are new, MrFresh, I can help you with that.

Sinn Fein will work for the achievement of the optimal position of no restriction on immigration to Ireland and deplores all attempts to limit the numbers of political and economic refugees into the country.

That was taken from a previous Sinn Fein Ard Fheis, and can be found on their website.
Just to repeat, the third largest political party in the country wants no restriction on migrants coming into Ireland.
Now I know that Sinn Fein are bad at math, but how on earth can we provide free housing, welfare, healthcare, etc. for all who want to come here from far flung countries?

There are others besides Sinn Fein ....... with the existing government just about going through the motions as if we had borders in place. Leo Varadkar wants another million in the country, and an amnesty to all those currently here illegally will help with his goal.

Their policy was updated two years after that in 2001.

Sinn Féin calls on the Irish Government to sign and ratify the International Convention on the Protection of the Rights of all Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families.

Sinn Féin calls for the establishment of a National Task Force on Immigration and Emigration to develop a national policy and a new Immigration Act.

Recruitment of immigrant workers should be donein conjunction with the Minister responsible forOverseas Development to ensure equality.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2009/Policies_Racism.pdf

Can I ask why you thanked the racist comment about bananas?

not yet wrote: »

Certainly not, It's when you call them ' Gangs of black youths' this poster has a problem with. Although for the fcuking life of me I'm not sure what else you could call them.

How about just gangs of youths?

GinAndBitter wrote: »

You're not supposed to call them black.

https://twitter.com/db_dublin/status/1110227130401673217?s=19

Just call him a man. He doesn't want to be referred to by his colour. It's not that difficult.

Wibbs wrote: »

Ahhh... yes, I forgot about the twin pillars of deflection and misrepresentation also brought to bear in such debates by the multiculturalists. Did I condone the comment? I did not nor would not. I did respond to this comment by Topper: Does this comment imply that anybody expressing concerns about excessive immigration and lax policies in that regard is a racist?
But you well knew that. Or you didn't. You were either debating dishonestly, or didn't actually read what I was responding to and ran on the usual prejudicial angle. No other option really, but I have my own suspicions as to what option you were gunning for and it was an extension of what Topper pointed out. In either case thank for illustrating my point so well.

Perhaps you should have looked at the conversation chain before engaging in it. It started with a fella making a blatantly racist comment. Why get involved and play the opression card? Perhaps you thought I was referring to you when I said "others"?

not yet · 27-03-2019 11:25PM

Serious question..

If a crime is committed in Ireland today is it justified naming the colour etc of the suspected criminal ?

I believe 100% it's justified, along with any other physical details that might help keep the public safe.

If he speaks with a Kerry accent, has red hair and freckles it's important the public know this, likewise if he is Black or Green or pink. All, and any details are important, to ignore this to pander to gobSH1Tes is not helpful.

Patty Hearst · 27-03-2019 11:29PM

not yet wrote: »

Serious question..

If a crime is committed in Ireland today is it justified naming the colour etc of the suspected criminal ?

I believe 100% it's justified, along with any other physical details that might help keep the public safe.

If he speaks with a Kerry accent, has red hair and freckles it's important the public know this, likewise if he is Black or Green or pink. All, and any details are important, to ignore this to pander to gobSH1Tes is not helpful.

Generally if its an Irish or Eastern European person they will give a description but if Middle Eastern it will be 'tanned' and if the suspect is African there will be no description at all.

not yet · 27-03-2019 11:36PM

Patty Hearst wrote: »

Generally if its an Irish or Eastern European person they will give a description but if Middle Eastern it will be 'tanned' and if the suspect is African there will be no description at all.

Why is this ?

Kivaro · 27-03-2019 11:46PM

MrFresh wrote: »

Their policy was updated two years after that in 2001.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2009/Policies_Racism.pdf

Curiously, I've seen that exact same response on boards before as if it somehow mitigated Sinn Fein's open border stance.
That racism policy has zero to do with their Sinn Fein's stated open border stance. We continue to hear Sinn Fein representatives advocating for open borders. This repeated response is a poor goalpost movement exercise.

MrFresh wrote: »

Can I ask why you thanked the racist comment about bananas?

I have the sense that, even as a newreg, that you are an expert in how boards works, so you are aware that you can only thank the whole post and not parts of it.
I'm sure that others found the "I'll get my coat , probably see ya'll in a few weeks" funny just like I did. Maybe you should adjust your outrage level a little bit.

BBFAN · 27-03-2019 11:47PM

not yet wrote: »

Serious question..

If a crime is committed in Ireland today is it justified naming the colour etc of the suspected criminal ?

I believe 100% it's justified, along with any other physical details that might help keep the public safe.

If he speaks with a Kerry accent, has red hair and freckles it's important the public know this, likewise if he is Black or Green or pink. All, and any details are important, to ignore this to pander to gobSH1Tes is not helpful.

If it is a serious question then the answer is it all depends on the crime.

But your later comments kind of make an eejit out of you. When is the last time you heard the perpetrator of a crime described as a redhead from Kerry with freckles???

:D:D:D:D

See how you now look silly?

ToddyDoody · 27-03-2019 11:48PM

Wasn't the social housing that was built in Balbriggan originally destined for one of the nicer parts of Dublin? (Not that Balbriggan isn't nice)

Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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