Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

Inquitus wrote: »

This guys Syrup is a sight to behold, that and he's come round to voting for the WA:

https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1110577463929782272

He looks like a Boris Johnson tribute act. A parody of a parody.

These old Etonians are completely deluded about their place on the world stage and have made their country something to be pitied. And yet they still have no humility or shame.

Delusion and arrogance of unbelievably epic proportions.

BluePlanet wrote: »

Q: Does anybody visit other forums and debate Brexit issues, where actual Brexiteers are in the majority?

I read the comments in the Guardian, on Politico and if I ever stray that far, the Mail, just for some other viewpoints etc.

The Daily Mail readership would drive you mad, they have drunk the Koolaid big time, and parrot the same old lies over and over again. They don't let facts get in the way of a good auld moan about the EU.

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

This was predictable. I thought this was common knowledge

Some members of the ERG, most notably JRM, only started murmuring that they may support May's deal the last day.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just musing here, so forgive my lack of forensic analysis...

If a GE is called, would it be possible for GC to resign and a new Labour Leader installed like Keir Starmer for example before the vote? Labour would romp home with someone with brains and leadership qualities at the helm I think. At the moment the LP is unelectable with JC at the helm, and everyone knows it.

Hmmm.

The problem for Labour is that while Corbyn's popularity may have taken a turn we are not sure what it would be like with the membership. It may be that his numbers are down, it could be that he still has the support to win a leadership contest. The only way to know is to have another leadership election and see where it stands.

If he resigns and he still has a major support among the base it may lead to unrest if they start feeling that he was forced out. It would be better for him to stay as leader and lead them in a new election and to see where Labour ends up. You cannot deny that he increased their totals from the previous election and as bad as he has been in regards to Brexit, he carries a lot of credit from this previous performance with him.

Spook_ie wrote: »

But nothing in what you say is compatible with EU requirements, no deal = crash out = border controls for the EU, NI will still be part of the UK and subject to whatever EU borders the EU put up and if there's no deal then I don't see how the EU can put a prerequisite of a part of a sovereign state being subject to outside ( EU ) controls before trade talks.

Why not? The EU has already said they will allow flights to continue for 9 months if the UK crashes out. This will allow airlines to get their house in order to comply with the rules as they would be needed. So the EU is allowing non-EU airlines to comply with EU rules and to fly routes they currently have while not being a part of the EU.

If the EU can do that, they can surely agree with the UK that the international treaty agreed between Ireland and the UK in regards to NI still has standing and they will make the needed arrangements to ensure the peace continues on the island. This is what the EU would be interested in. Even if that were the case you know things could still kick off with Unionists if they feel threatened. But seeing that they will see very little change in their lives and relationship with the UK they would just be getting upset about very little.

As for them leaving and forcing a border on the island you know there will be violence. That is guaranteed and once it starts the other side will need very little encouragement to get involved.

In any case the plan for this would be to maintain the current arrangements for NI and to have the UK put up the borders at its ports. They will have trouble with Calais-Dover long before NI becomes a big issue. If they were to crash out I still think they will be back very soon as the chaos around getting essential supplies will mean the focus will not be on NI, unless the DUP kicks up a fuss and their supporters do the same, and the UK will be quickly forced into either agreeing a new deal with the EU that looks a lot like BRINO.

Inquitus wrote: »

Another amendment:

That looks like it was signed by the same person.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That looks like it was signed by the same person.

I thought exactly the same thing, and then thought nah, it's just me.

Some Cake and Unicorns:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1110619270692642816

Boris falls into line behind MV3

https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/1110613247848263680

Hurrache wrote: »

Not quite sure, I read this from around the same time.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1110615450080165894

Yours is after mine, I presume he clarified his position later in his speel. Thanks.

There are going to be a lot of upset Brexiters who has drunk the kool aid sold to the by the likes of JRM and Johnson and how terrible May's deal is. Now they are going to try and sell it to the electorate that this is the only way to get Brexit. It could just be that Labour will have a very big majority if there is a general election, the Tories will be nailed on Brexit and will lose votes to UKIP and Labour will press the issues that affect people every day.

Eod100 wrote: »

Talk of pensioners rioting. I do worry about there being a risk of violence if the 'right' Brexit isn't seen to be delivered. And as other posters pointed out the language used has been pretty dangerous. But the mention of Blueshirts makes it unintentionally amusing..

https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1110526375293865984

Yes I would not take anything Chope says seriously. He is the MP who tried to block the upskirting and FGM law. He now faces deselection as a Tory MP so he should have a lot of time available soon to man the barricades

Headshot wrote: »

If Chuka was the labour leader they would steam roll the next GE. He certainly would be alot higher in ratings than May.

Agreed, sadly that ship has sailed.