Madeleine McCann

gozunda · 24-03-2019 04:16PM

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iamwhoiam wrote: »

I agree . Which is why her referring to herself as Maddie would be odd .

According to Kate's book 'Madeleine' - Madeleine corrected those who called her 'Maddie' and was known to say

" I'm not Maddie, I'm Madeleine!"

https://books.google.ie/books?id=PIT6SeWkVcAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:"Kate+McCann"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS2qX-h5vhAhXTWxUIHZJQC3cQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=I'm not maddie&f=false

OwlsZat · 24-03-2019 04:20PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

In the article it says she saw a Portuguese looking man, maybe read the article you linked before you try to correct me. Thanks.

Ok here's another. There are countless you can find with a quick online search. The man spoke Portuguese.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-dossier-did-this-dutch-couple-325131

OwlsZat · 24-03-2019 04:22PM

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gozunda wrote: »

According to Kate's book 'Madeleine' - Madeleine corrected those who called her 'Maddie' and was known to say

" I'm not Maddie, I'm Madeleine!"

https://books.google.ie/books?id=PIT6SeWkVcAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:"Kate+McCann"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS2qX-h5vhAhXTWxUIHZJQC3cQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=I'm not maddie&f=false

That's very interesting thanks for finding it. I still find it quiet strange though. Not sure I can see a three year old correcting people calling her a shorter version of her own name. It would make more sense the other way around. Also why does Kate need to say this. Worse she finds it disrespectful. Bonkers Kate is.

Plumbthedepths · 24-03-2019 04:34PM

OwlsZat wrote:

Ok here's another. There are countless you can find with a quick online search. The man spoke Portuguese.

I think Anna wanted to be helpful, but it's easy to pick holes in her account tbh.

Plumbthedepths · 24-03-2019 04:36PM

OwlsZat wrote:

That's very interesting thanks for finding it. I still find it quiet strange though. Not sure I can see a three year old correcting people calling her a shorter version of her own name. It would make more sense the other way around. Also why does Kate need to say this. Worse she finds it disrespectful. Bonkers Kate is.

My son used to correct people all the time, I have heard other children do it aswell. Do you not believe Kate?

YFlyer · 24-03-2019 04:39PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

The accusations at first look ok to level against the parents until you realise how difficult it would be for them to kill their own daughter and cover it up in the middle of a police and media frenzy.

Madeline was most likely taken from an open apartment then moved by ferry at first light to Tangire Morocco. (intercepted Arabic message) She was cited multiple times closely by (not the women with the kid wrapped in a blanket on her back). It's also well known that countries neighbouring Morocco have a bustling slave trade.

The only other credible link is the Belgium child sex ring stuff but there is no concrete evidence to back this up. Surely the risk of her being recognised throughout Europe would be far too great.

Throw up links please.

Creol1 · 24-03-2019 04:45PM

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cnocbui wrote: »

Such statistics are very useful for police investigating to determine where to initially focus, but they are dangerous also in cases where strangers and an abduction are involved because it delays the taking of measures such as road blocks and border crossing monitoring.

In poker, it is statistically very unlikely to be dealt a royal flush, but it happens.

Statistics are just odds, they have no bearing on the reality of what did or didn't happen. Facts determine statistics; not the other way round.

Yes, but the problem here is we don't know the facts. When you don't know the facts, it is perfectly reasonable then to look at evidence of trends in analogous situations to fill in the gaps.

Creol1 · 24-03-2019 04:51PM

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gozunda wrote: »

Tickets- seriously are you feeling quite well? That's not my Quote. Take a good look at what you quoted. I am not cgcsb or any other poster. Please get you facts straight.

Just because other posters are discussing other issues relating to this case DOES NOT make them conspiracy theorists. Attacking other posters because they may hold other opinions is not only bullying it goes against the the very idea of fair discussion imo.

Tbh I have quite enough of you and others ridiculous attacks on this thread.

The way "conspiracy theorist" is bandied around as an insult on this thread just goes to show how it seems to have become a stock-in-trade insult devoid of its original meaning. I mean, if we look at what the term actually means, the real conspiracy theorists are those who allege the parents were innocent and there was a plot to frame them by the Portuguese police. That would be a conspiracy.

gozunda · 24-03-2019 04:55PM

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YFlyer wrote: »

Throw up links please.

Talking of the multiple sighting of Madeleine in Morocco - when I was there in the 90's - We visited and stayed in an area of the of the Atlas mountains in the North of the country.

Many of the locals were as fair skinned as our party of Irish people. It was also remarked that they number of blonde haired children was quite noticable. It really does not surprise me that there were many mistaken reports of Madeleine reported by tourists on holiday in Morocco tbh.

BloodBath · 24-03-2019 05:28PM

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Creol1 wrote: »

The way "conspiracy theorist" is bandied around as an insult on this thread just goes to show how it seems to have become a stock-in-trade insult devoid of its original meaning. I mean, if we look at what the term actually means, the real conspiracy theorists are those who allege the parents were innocent and there was a plot to frame them by the Portuguese police. That would be a conspiracy.

This is thanks to careful brainwashing that has turned it into a dirty word when conspiracies happen everyday in every country all over the world.

The real idiots are those that use it as an insult.

FishOnABike · 24-03-2019 05:41PM

gozunda wrote: »

As far as I know thd NSPCC figures are based on case files and not chance happenings. So yes they do have a very real bearing on reality.

Statistics are valid for a population. In an individual instance only the facts matter.

chicorytip · 24-03-2019 05:54PM

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retro:electro wrote:

Very sad to think what they would even be getting back at this stage. If sheâ€™s still alive, sheâ€™s not a 4 year old child anymore, but a young woman who will likely have a myriad of issues and as a result be quite damaged. She may even have children of her own. She most likely wouldnâ€™t even remember her family. Very sad situation if that was the case.

An appalling scenario indeed, difficult to even imagine. It's also highly unlikely. If she were still living openly somewhere and not being held hostage in a hidden location she surely would have been recognised by now.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 24-03-2019 06:06PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Is there any pictures or videos of the road to the back side of their apartment? Most documentaries only show one view.

iamwhoiam · 24-03-2019 06:07PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Is there any pictures or videos of the road to the back side of their apartment? Most documentaries only show one view.

The front you mean ? The side with the hall door entrance ?

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 24-03-2019 06:08PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The front you mean ? The side with the hall door entrance ?

The view to the left and right of the t-junction that the apartment is on

OwlsZat · 24-03-2019 06:08PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

gozunda wrote: »

Talking of the multiple sighting of Madeleine in Morocco - when I was there in the 90's - We visited and stayed in an area of the of the Atlas mountains in the North of the country.

Many of the locals were as fair skinned as our party of Irish people. It was also remarked that the number of blonde-haired children was quite noticeable. It really does not surprise me that there were many mistaken reports of Madeleine reported by tourists on holiday in Morocco tbh.

That's a fair point.

The most of the Morocco sightings were since discredited. That's why I was posting the link to the Amsterdam sighting as it's perhaps more credible. There was an anonymous tip-off that she was ordered by and sold to a Belgium pedo gang and a Liege sighting as well as Amsterdam. Maybe the woman in Barcelona asking the group of British men the day following the abduction if they had her child was linked too.

RacoonQueen · 24-03-2019 06:14PM

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chicorytip wrote: »

An appalling scenario indeed, difficult to even imagine. It's also highly unlikely. If she were still living openly somewhere and not being held hostage in a hidden location she surely would have been recognised by now.

Depends where she was, her hair colour could have changed as she got older, eye colour can change as you age which could make the little mark on her eye less noticeable. She would probably not even know herself as Madeline.

The concept of her having children of her own by now, in that sort of scenario she could be somewhere extremely remote where they would never have seen coverage of her as a missing child and she is extremely unlikely to ever be found there if no one ever goes in our out.

iamwhoiam · 24-03-2019 06:15PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Pheonix10 wrote: »

The view to the left and right of the t-junction that the apartment is on

Google map the junction of

Rua Agostinho da Silva and Rua Francisco Gentil Martins

Agostinho runs at the front of the 5a apartment ( hall door )
Martins runs along the side of apartment with the gate leading to the 5a apartment

chicorytip · 24-03-2019 06:21PM

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Plumbthedepths wrote:

Attach no meaning to the paragraph I choose simply to respond. I have offered no theory as to what happened to Madeline because I would not allow myself an entrenched position. I will say the following I believe she died in the apartment due to an accident or overdose, I don't believe both parents have knowledge of what happened just one. My problem is which one, both are a conundrum. We keep hearing of tight timelines, b*llsh*t people are on holidays they don't live by the clock. I believe and as abhorrent as it sounds Madeline was disposed of in a bin, not a domestic bin but rather the larger street bin 1000l capacity. We know in 2007 well over 54 per cent of waste went to landfill ( based on the 2014 figure of 54 per cent). The night Madeline went missing the behaviour of her parents is absolutely bizarre so no need for me to repeat as all are aware, the blaming of the PJ for a messed up crime scene is a p*sstake as the McCanns may have aswell thrown a party before the Police arrived. Then there is the lack of cooperation from the McCanns their friends bizarre, contacting the media less than 4 hours after her disappearance. Doing everything in contradiction to what Police Forces the world over recommend. There is so much more I could write but why bother people are entrenched I have no interest in changing there mind . However the most damning in this case for me is the statement form Colin Sutton on his refusal to lead the investigation for Madeline, he was already told what line of enquiry he was to pursue and to find Kate and Gerry innocent. In all this fighting corners etc a little girl has been missed and had she survived that night would as most of them are be a happy go lucky 16 year old. That's me done the rest of you guys can get back to the usual ignoring the obvious and not forgetting the personal attacks... oh yes the sneering contempt that is evident throughout this thread. Night all.

I don't believe it possible that one parent could keep such a secret from the other for such a lengthy period unless a) the one with the secret possesses a completely sociopathic, emotionless personality or b) both are aware but the perpetrator has a psychological hold over the spouse, is manipulative and is utterly dominant in their relationship to the extent of causing fear and terror in the other should he or she not behave in the appropriate manner required in order to maintain their great pretence.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 24-03-2019 06:24PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Seems so strange looking the road now that they couldn't be bothered walking an extra few yards to lock to the door and then go back in the main door for the checks?

iamwhoiam · 24-03-2019 06:27PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Seems so strange looking the road now that they couldn't be bothered walking an extra few yards to lock to the door and then go back in the main door for the checks?

Yep . But a lot of what they did was strange and selfish. It was definitely quicker to nip in the patio door .

gozunda · 24-03-2019 07:46PM

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FishOnABike wrote: »

Statistics are valid for a population. In an individual instance only the facts matter.

The figures quoted relate to high rates of abuse being linked to those closest to a child and are derived afaik from case files of actual events.

I would presume the NCPCC know what they are talking about tbh.

For the purposes of this discussion this remains relevant imo. Unfortunately in this case there are very few reliable 'facts'.

yourdeadwright · 24-03-2019 07:50PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

Quote often in these cases its the most obvious that actully happened if it was the parents the bins sewm the most obvious way to get rid ,They where not all checked and where taken to land fill that night , remeber people where not looking for a dead child the night in question ,

People who say how could the parents and apply it to the McCanns obviously havent done much research , they are not ur normal parents ,

The left kids alone for hours every night of holidays , Maddie was at kids club all day to not a crime but to then leave her alone at night is odd ,

They let male friends bath there kids , taking turns to do so , who the FU#K does that ?

They left there twins in the crech in the same place there daughter was kidnapped afterwards,

Made numerous werid choices ,

They are a very very strange couple

yourdeadwright · 24-03-2019 07:52PM

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Pheonix10 wrote: »

Seems so strange looking the road now that they couldn't be bothered walking an extra few yards to lock to the door and then go back in the main door for the checks?

You wouldnt leave your phone in that apartment unlocked , let alone your 3 kids

gozunda · 24-03-2019 08:11PM

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OwlsZat wrote: »

That's a fair point.

The most of the Morocco sightings were since discredited. That's why I was posting the link to the Amsterdam sighting as it's perhaps more credible. There was an anonymous tip-off that she was ordered by and sold to a Belgium pedo gang and a Liege sighting as well as Amsterdam. Maybe the woman in Barcelona asking the group of British men the day following the abduction if they had her child was linked too.

That was an interesting sighting. Looks like McCanns private detectives were investigating that. Never heard anything more of it tbh.

Part of the point I was making that of the thousands of reported sightings from around the world - many I reckon were derived from seeing a young blond child in an unusual location or situation abroad especially if they were speaking English etc

OwlsZat · 24-03-2019 08:38PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Quote often in these cases its the most obvious that actully happened if it was the parents the bins sewm the most obvious way to get rid ,They where not all checked and where taken to land fill that night , remeber people where not looking for a dead child the night in question ,

People who say how could the parents and apply it to the McCanns obviously havent done much research , they are not ur normal parents ,

The left kids alone for hours every night of holidays , Maddie was at kids club all day to not a crime but to then leave her alone at night is odd ,

They let male friends bath there kids , taking turns to do so , who the FU#K does that ?

They left there twins in the crech in the same place there daughter was kidnapped afterwards,

Made numerous werid choices ,

They are a very very strange couple

Add to that the Gaspar statement and you've got a very strange setup.

thegaspersstatement.blogspot.com/

That said it doesn't make them more likely to murder or dispose of a dead child. Rather they were completely neglectful. I believe that's what they were covering up their guilt and delivering hopeless testimony.

gozunda · 24-03-2019 08:39PM

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Creol1 wrote: »

The way "conspiracy theorist" is bandied around as an insult on this thread just goes to show how it seems to have become a stock-in-trade insult...

BloodBath wrote: »

This is thanks to careful brainwashing that has turned it into a dirty word when conspiracies happen everyday in every country all over the world.

The real idiots are those that use it as an insult.

Imo it's been used pretty much in the same way as being guilty of blasphemy and aimed squarely at anyone not being ardent abduction scenario supporter ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_KOpJ2bE3o

OwlsZat · 24-03-2019 08:43PM

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Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I think Anna wanted to be helpful, but it's easy to pick holes in her account tbh.

I only see one hole, that of the name. What else is off?

Be great if someone could follow up with Anna Stram on the name to rack her brain on the exact exchange. Also to find out if anything was done in terms of reviewing CCTV at the time.

gozunda · 24-03-2019 08:47PM

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OwlsZat wrote: »

I only see one hole, that of the name. What else is off?

Be great if someone could follow up with Anna Stram on the name to rack her brain on the exact exchange. Also to find out if anything was done in terms of reviewing CCTV at the time.

McCanns private detectives at the time are detailed as following up the sighting. I'm sure thet left no stone unturned ....

yourdeadwright · 24-03-2019 08:57PM

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gozunda wrote: »

OwlsZat wrote: »

I only see one hole, that of the name. What else is off?

Be great if someone could follow up with Anna Stram on the name to rack her brain on the exact exchange. Also to find out if anything was done in terms of reviewing CCTV at the time.

McCanns private detectives at the time are detailed as following up the sighting. I'm sure thet left no stone unturned ....

Private detective was a joker, he brought the man who was paying him ejit son along amx got him to do the work,
As far as i could see he was fleeceing them for there money ,
What job would you pay thousand for a speicalist to do obly for them to gey uneducated son to do there work ??
The Kenndys came across as people who lucky or where good at there work and wanted the limelight i the McCann case , they came across as morons to be honest

Madeleine McCann

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