Hot take: Multiculturalism is good

sk8erboii · 12-03-2019 08:05PM

gozunda wrote: »

I presume you have not studied history then if you believe "People advanced in this era by every metric" (sic). You also fail to appear to understand the essential differences and impacts of trade and commerce compared to mass migrations of peoples. This has been been explained many times, but you continue to ignore it. Why is that?

I think that just like the word 'multicultural' you need to look up what 'globalist' actually means. Google is your friend lol ...

Zzzzzzz i have formal education on the subject of the dark ages. Dont even bother with your rhetoric

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

Its a myth.

Sweetemotion · 12-03-2019 08:19PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Its obviously hot enough to warrant 22 pages of exasperation from depressed white men

Zzzzzzzzzzz.:rolleyes:

It's a thread you created, just to get a fix for your superiority complex.

conorhal · 12-03-2019 08:22PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Its obviously hot enough to warrant 22 pages of exasperation from depressed white men

And you are what exactly?

I always piss myself laughing at that sentiment, reminds me of this guy...

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Wibbs · 12-03-2019 08:48PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Zzzzzzz i have formal education on the subject of the dark ages. Dont even bother with your rhetoric

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

Its a myth.

While it is an easy myth to write off the whole of the period between the fall of the western empire and the renaissance as being the "Dark Age", there most certainly was a few drop offs of "advancement by every metric". Take the written word. After the fall of Rome written records fell off a cliff and stayed that way for a couple of centuries. The rise of the Carolingian renaissance put the brakes on and reversed that trend, as did Irish scholarship, but after that period the written word falls off another cliff. Not just the written word either.

Yes some "metrics" improved, a couple of centuries after the fall, but it's just as daft to claim the Dark Ages are a complete myth and there weren't significant periods of loss of what had gone before(the European road infrastructure in many places didn't get back to Roman levels until the 1700's). If your "formal education" claimed otherwise then I would suggest you ask for your money back.

Then again it may not be a fault of your tutors as you tend to take absolutist positions as a general rule, particularly in rebuttals to those you see as the Enemy™.

Wibbs · 12-03-2019 08:50PM

conorhal wrote: »

And you are what exactly?

I always piss myself laughing at that sentiment, reminds me of this guy...

Sure C, but how do you know he's not a Black/Asian/Middle Easterner? He could well be. Though yeah it's more likely he's not.

sk8erboii · 12-03-2019 08:53PM

conorhal wrote: »

And you are what exactly?

I always piss myself laughing at that sentiment, reminds me of this guy...

Im a high functioning white male.

sk8erboii · 12-03-2019 08:56PM

Wibbs wrote: »

While it is an easy myth to write off the whole of the period between the fall of the western empire and the renaissance as being the "Dark Age", there most certainly was a few drop offs of "advancement by every metric". Take the written word. After the fall of Rome written records fell off a cliff and stayed that way for a couple of centuries. The rise of the Carolingian renaissance put the brakes on and reversed that trend, as did Irish scholarship, but after that period the written word falls off another cliff. Not just the written word either.

Yes some "metrics" improved, a couple of centuries after the fall, but it's just as daft to claim the Dark Ages are a complete myth and there weren't significant periods of loss of what had gone before(the European road infrastructure in many places didn't get back to Roman levels until the 1700's). If your "formal education" claimed otherwise then I would suggest you ask for your money back.

Then again it may not be a fault of your tutors as you tend to take absolutist positions as a general rule, particularly in rebuttals to those you see as the Enemy™.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Microanalysing time periods should be left to the experts. Most of whom agree that the darkages was a myth.

Strip away pendantic rhetoric and you dont really have anything to say.

Nice jab at university education though, im sure as you insinuate its all part of a conspiracy

Franz Von Peppercorn · 12-03-2019 09:13PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Microanalysing time periods should be left to the experts. Most of whom agree that the darkages was a myth.

They don’t use the term anymore but obviously there was a significant drop in living standards, literacy, and population.

Strip away pendantic rhetoric and you dont really have anything to say.

He’s a lot more interesting as a poster than you are, smarter and more knowledgeable. You clearly don’t know what multi culturalism is, the subject of the thread. The thread you started.

Nice jab at university education though, im sure as you insinuate its all part of a conspiracy

Whenever some one starts a sentence with “I’m sure you...”, you can be pretty certain a strawman argument is coming and you didn’t disappoint.

conorhal · 12-03-2019 09:15PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Im a high functioning white male.

:pac: You know what, I'm beginning to like you, you are indeed 'exceptional'.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 12-03-2019 09:15PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Zzzzzzz i have formal education on the subject of the dark ages. Dont even bother with your rhetoric

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

Its a myth.

You claimed to be an engineer not that long ago. Is that part of the formal training in engineering these days?

Wibbs · 12-03-2019 09:30PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Microanalysing time periods should be left to the experts. Most of whom agree that the darkages was a myth.

Strip away pendantic rhetoric and you dont really have anything to say.

So you've no rebuttal then? Given you claim formal education in the subject, that strikes as odd. You do know it's OK to admit one is oversimplifying a subject. I do like the "pendantic" bit though. You seem to confuse pedantic rhetoric with a broader understanding of the facts of history.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You claimed to be an engineer not that long ago. Is that part of the formal training in engineering these days?

Watermill engineering. Maybe minoring in flying buttress dynamics.

sk8erboii · 12-03-2019 09:44PM

Wibbs wrote: »

So you've no rebuttal then? Given you claim formal education in the subject, that strikes as odd. You do know it's OK to admit one is oversimplifying a subject. I do like the "pendantic" bit though. You seem to confuse pedantic rhetoric with a broader understanding of the facts of history.

Watermill engineering. Maybe minoring in flying buttress dynamics.

Ok im assuming this is legitimately a troll (either that or you people never went to college) but elective modules (as in classes outside of your main course) have existed for decades now.

If you didnt know about this, i guess it contextualizes the level of discourse you people are really capable of.

Which is to say you dont really have any fvcking clue lol

_Kaiser_ · 12-03-2019 09:48PM

Wasting your time trying to debate the matter folks. The pattern with such people is always thus:

- Make statement with little/no valid supporting evidence and expect universal support
- Criticise/deflect/ignore anything or anyone not validating them
- Virtue Signal Bonus points for working in any "-ism", "-phobe", or other similar buzzword

The irony of course is that by carrying on in that matter, they do their own argument more damage than anyone else responding to them ever could.
People don't like being insulted and just harden their attitudes to others expressing similar views and the subject matter in question.

sk8erboii · 12-03-2019 09:49PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Wasting your time trying to debate the matter. The pattern with such people is always thus:

- Make statement with little/no valid supporting evidence and expect universal support
- Criticise/deflect/ignore anything or anyone not validating them
- Virtue Signal Bonus points for working in any "-ism", "-phobe", or other similar buzzword

The irony of course is that by carrying on in that matter, they do their own argument more damage than anyone else responding to them ever could.
People don't like being insulted and just harden their attitudes to others expressing similar views and the subject matter in question.

Ya need a safe space do ya?

_Kaiser_ · 12-03-2019 09:52PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Ya need a safe space do ya?

And with that, you prove my point for me:

- Virtue Signal Bonus points for working in any "-ism", "-phobe", or other similar buzzword

Come back when you actually have something to say.

Wibbs · 12-03-2019 09:56PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Ok im assuming this is legitimately a troll (either that or you people never went to college) but elective modules (as in classes outside of your main course) have existed for decades now.

"High functioning" yet doesn't get humour.

If you didnt know about this, i guess it contextualizes the level of discourse you people are really capable of.

Which is to say you dont really have any fvcking clue lol

You massively oversimplify a period(several periods actually) of Western European history, just as ineptly as those who paint said period with the title of "Dark Ages", while claiming formal education in the subject and yet accuse others of not having "any fvcking clue lol"? Hmm... OK. If one is so sure of one's facts and can back them up surely it is far easier to refute rather than running straight to "lol"? Just a suggestion. One I doubt you will take up mind you. By the by; linking to a wiki page that refutes your cocksure contention that Europe "advanced by every metric" in the period(s) is not exactly prudent if you wish to illustrate your argument.

Dr_serious2 · 12-03-2019 10:20PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

LOOOOL im actually cringing that somebody thought of this and wrote it out.

Listen guy, as much as you wanna diagnose usernames on boards.ie you will never be a psychologist. you’re not even able to analyze your own words

Try going on a rant about your ‘ancestors’, ‘native culture’ in real life and you’ll get about as much respect as that irexit conference.

But i get it, boards is a safe space for you.

You fool. Any grown man who calls himself after An Avril Lavigne song and says LOOOOL is a sad imitation of an adult. Do you adopt the same Americanisms in your speech as you do in your text?

gozunda · 12-03-2019 10:20PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Zzzzzzz i have formal education on the subject of the dark ages. Dont even bother with your rhetoric
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)
Its a myth*.

Ah I see your 'formal education' on the subject derives from The University of Wikipedia.

It's strange then that you didn't use said source to better help you understand "multiculturism" et al

And yet despite the majority of posters in the thread pointing out your lack of understanding and poor standard of comprehension - you persist in your daft assertions and throw various silly ad hominem such as above. Why is that? An attempt at saving face perhaps?

* If you had bothered reading the Wikipedia article you linked - even that source acknowledges that:

when used by some historians today, the term "Dark Ages" is meant to describe the economic, political, and cultural problems of the era. For others, the term Dark Ages is intended to be neutral, expressing the idea that the events of the period seem 'dark' to us because of the paucity of the historical record...

SEPT 23 1989 · 12-03-2019 10:28PM

The Middle East was miles ahead of the west in maths science etc at one stage in history and all that stopped dead

What happened?

Wibbs · 12-03-2019 11:00PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The Middle East was miles ahead of the west in maths science etc at one stage in history and all that stopped dead

What happened?

That's an interesting one indeed S. And has many parallels with the Irish in the early medieval and the flowering of same. Like us the pre unifying religion Arabic Middle East had been largely an oral culture, a warrior culture, just on the edges and outside of the Classical World.

When Islam came along and the oral history was codified into the written word, they discovered and experienced like us the novelty and power of literacy like a first love. And like first love they couldn't get enough of it. They devoured all of the written word they could get their hands on, mostly Greek, but with others in the mix(we were mostly Latin with others in the mix) and saw the exploration and dissemination of it as a religious duty. And not just the religious texts. And wanted to spread that word beyond.

And it went so well for a time, but then - and IIRC it came down to one man(whose name embarrassingly escapes) - who went insular and fundamental and decided that such things were unreligious and should be restricted if not banned. And he had enough power to make that start to happen. And that great flowering was smothered soon after.

In the Irish case it was the deference and in many ways capitulation to the Roman Church, a church that had long been deeply suspicious and troubled by the popularity of this Celtic influence of wild barbarians that threatened their hegemony in mainland Europe that brought about similar.

sk8erboii · 23-03-2019 01:04PM

gozunda wrote: »

Ah I see your 'formal education' on the subject derives from The University of Wikipedia.

It's strange then that you didn't use said source to better help you understand "multiculturism" et al

And yet despite the majority of posters in the thread pointing out your lack of understanding and poor standard of comprehension - you persist in your daft assertions and throw various silly ad hominem such as above. Why is that? An attempt at saving face perhaps?

* If you had bothered reading the Wikipedia article you linked - even that source acknowledges that:

Nope. Derives from three years in an actual university. Im more qualified than you. Better accept that. Otherwise you might go around thinking the Dark Ages as painted by Horrible Histories was real

sk8erboii · 23-03-2019 01:06PM

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

You fool. Any grown man who calls himself after An Avril Lavigne song and says LOOOOL is a sad imitation of an adult. Do you adopt the same Americanisms in your speech as you do in your text?

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Cringe. Honestly man stop trying to diagnose forum names it’s embarrassing

defrule · 23-03-2019 04:18PM

The way I see it, there is always going to be upsides and downsides. We here or at least many of us here are privileged enough to live a life that benefits from multiculturalism but there are people who experience the downsides and consequently don't view it the same way we do.

In a way our experiences blind us to the downsides. The danger and the common thing now is that we simply label the less fortunate as bigots, haters, racists or whatever without understanding that they have been truly hurt by the same thing that benefits us.

mynamejeff · 23-03-2019 05:20PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Im a high functioning white male.

High Functioning lol

Thats a phrase i associate with some one who has a mild disability but has managed to do better than expected in life .

your dont work in MacDonalds by any chance do you ?

sk8erboii · 23-03-2019 05:45PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

High Functioning lol

Thats a phrase i associate with some one who has a mild disability but has managed to do better than expected in life .

your dont work in MacDonalds by any chance do you ?

Nope. Work in a powerplant, giving power to over 230,000 homes.

You Back to the warehouse on monday?

mynamejeff · 23-03-2019 05:46PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Nope. Work in a powerplant, giving power to over 230,000 homes.

You Back to the warehouse on monday?

So does Homer Simpson :-)

sk8erboii · 23-03-2019 05:48PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

So does Homer Simpson :-)

Zing! You really got me there

sk8erboii · 23-03-2019 05:52PM

Rowdy Andy wrote: »

If multiculturalism is so wonderful why are the 'diverse' parts of European cities such dangerous ****holes?

If diversity is so great, why is it causing such problems in Europe in the form of crime, Islamic terrorism and social problems?

Loaded questions full of presuppositions. I’d argue but i can already tell its gonna be a long winded rhetoric full of low IQ sentiments.

mynamejeff · 23-03-2019 05:54PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Zing! You really got me there

Well its not difficult now is it ?
What with your 3 year university education and poorly researched rants on a complex subject you failed to understand because you have no practical experience in the real world.

Back to the university of life with you kid

Roger Hassenforder · 23-03-2019 07:11PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Loaded questions full of presuppositions. I’d argue but i can already tell its gonna be a long winded rhetoric full of low IQ sentiments.

Ah Jeez, dont be so hard on yourself.
Maybe try snappy bullet points to avoid garrulousness?

Hot take: Multiculturalism is good

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