Madeleine McCann

cgcsb · 23-03-2019 12:41AM

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dark crystal wrote: »

Proof?

Oh never mind.

Do you understand the word 'conjecture'?

In this case nobody can prove anything after McCanns pick Maddy up from creche at 6.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:42AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Necro wrote: »

When were we told to park that by the mods? Apologies if I missed it.

On the point of veering wildly off topic, but the kids club point really depends on:

A) Having money for the cool stuff (which I've no doubt the Mc Canns had)
The facilities at the park itself.

I was at one in Italy last year and the kids stuff was patently awful unless you wanted to spend a lot of money.

But yeah it's a fair point, they definitely don't run all day and the last known photo of Madeline was at something like 2.30 iirc so they definitely weren't farmed off all day.

Doesn't make their behaviour on the night in question any better for it though.

There’s been a few Mod warnings by Boom Bap and another mod to park it, the last one was a few days ago I think.

Yeah definitely. I’d say the one at their resort was quite pricy but iirc the day she went missing the kids were brought to the beach and went out on boats for a few hours.
That kind of excursion wouldn’t be cheap.

dark crystal · 23-03-2019 12:43AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

retro:electro wrote: »

And yet, you only appear when there’s an abduction scenario to be debunked. Whatevs :rolleyes:

It's always the ones on 'the other side' who are narrow minded, go figure!

maebee · 23-03-2019 12:43AM

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

Looks like it sets at 830pm and rises around 0630

By Kate's own admission - they did not physically search for Madeleine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCVSjIJk8

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:49AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

maebee wrote: »

By Kate's own admission - they did not physically search for Madeleine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCVSjIJk8

They did search in the hours after she first went missing, until 4am if I remember correctly.

It’s very common for parents not to be allowed take part in searches for their missing children, for a variety of reasons.

1) They want the parents to be easily accessible and on hand if the child is suddenly found.
2) They don’t want the parents to potentially find the body which might be extremely distressing and upsetting.
3) The police will want to keep a close eye on the parents, to determine whether they might be responsible for the child to go missing, and if so, so they can’t destroy any evidence.
4) If as above, they suspect the parents, they won’t want them to know what areas they are searching so that they can’t independantly sneak off to the site and move/destroy evidence.

Pick any of the above and it will explain why the McCanns didn’t take part in the search.

Spanish Eyes · 23-03-2019 12:50AM

maebee wrote: »

By Kate's own admission - they did not physically search for Madeleine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCVSjIJk8

Why would they search if they knew? That is probably a bit harsh, but honestly what parent(s) would go to sleep for a few hours and leave the searching to others.

And next day if I recall they went for a run. Sounds a bit off to me. One parent might say, NO, but the other might just want to search to the ends of their fingertips. I would, no question even if it took days with no sleep either.

But others might have more details.

Spanish Eyes · 23-03-2019 12:52AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

They did search in the hours after she first went missing, until 4am if I remember correctly.

It’s very common for parents not to be allowed take part in searches for their missing children, for a variety of reasons.

1) They want the parents to be easily accessible and on hand if the child is suddenly found.
2) They don’t want the parents to potentially find the body which might be extremely distressing and upsetting.
3) The police will want to keep a close eye on the parents, to determine whether they might be responsible for the child to go missing, and if so, so they can’t destroy any evidence.
4) If as above, they suspect the parents, they won’t want them to know what areas they are searching so that they can’t independantly sneak off to the site and move/destroy evidence.

Pick any of the above and it will explain why the McCanns didn’t take part in the search.

But in fairness, I thought everyone believed the Portuguese Police were bumbling idiots, so how would they have known about all these strategies?

cgcsb · 23-03-2019 12:53AM

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maebee wrote: »

By Kate's own admission - they did not physically search for Madeleine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCVSjIJk8

I went missing briefly as a child, too young to really remember in detail, only snippets. My sister says it was under 5 mins, my mother said it was like hours. But in that 5 minutes she had the shopping centre roared down, everyone was stopping what they were doing and looking around and a security guard picked me up, which I do remember. She didn't say 'oh well' and swan off to her leaba. Luckily for me and all, this was within weeks of the Jamie Bulger case, me and Jamie are the same age so apparently the quick thinking security were stopping people who has kids at the exists. I didn't really get that far, but an opportunistic person could have struck. That's why I don't get the 'they'll be grand in the apartment' attitude.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 12:53AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

But in fairness, I thought everyone believed the Portuguese Police were bumbling idiots, so how would they have known about all these theories?

They aren’t theories, they are standard procedures in missing children investigations.

Spanish Eyes · 23-03-2019 12:59AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

They aren’t theories, they are standard procedures in missing children investigations.

But the Portuguese Police were castigated as being bumbling idiots. So I really don't get the point of your post.

Either they were idiotic or they were not. Which is it?

And of course they were idiotic, so the parents could just do what they wanted right?

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 01:00AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

But the Portuguese Police were castigated as being bumbling idiots. So I really don't get the point of your post.

Either they were idiotic or they were not. Which is it?

This is exhausting.
Parents of missing children are not usually allowed to take part in searches for the reasons I outlined above.
So I’m saying it’s a possibility they didn’t search for any one of those listed reasons. I never mentioned the police bumbling idiots.

limnam · 23-03-2019 01:01AM

dark crystal wrote: »

It's always the ones on 'the other side' who are narrow minded, go figure!

The person you're replying to stated there mind would not be changed.

If you're mind is made up in this case and set in stone either guilty, not guilty or in different you're narrow minded.

There's very few people who you would deem "anti McCann" who are set one way or another.

So yes. Most people set in stone and wont be moved are "pro McCann"

limnam · 23-03-2019 01:02AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

This is exhausting.
Parents of missing children are not usually allowed to take part in searches for the reasons I outlined above.
So I’m saying it’s a possibility they didn’t search for any one of those listed reasons. I never mentioned the police bumbling idiots.

Ah sure, just go to bed and relax, save energy for you run...

dark crystal · 23-03-2019 01:02AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

The person you're replying to stated there mind would not be changed.

If you're mind is made up in this case and set in stone either guilty, not guilty or in different you're narrow minded.

There's very few people who you would deem "anti McCann" who are set one way or another.

So yes. Most people set in stone and wont be moved are "pro McCann"

Sure thing.

Spanish Eyes · 23-03-2019 01:05AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

This is exhausting.
Parents of missing children are not usually allowed to take part in searches for the reasons I outlined above.
So I’m saying it’s a possibility they didn’t search for any one of those listed reasons. I never mentioned the police bumbling idiots.

I did not say that YOU said the PP were idiots. It was all over the media at the time.

My point is that they were a local force at first, just dealing with local issues like theft or whatever, and needed backup from Lisbon or Faro or wherever eventually.

Remember there was NO evidence of abduction when the local PP arrived was there? So why did the parents not go out and search.

cgcsb · 23-03-2019 01:06AM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

This is exhausting.
Parents of missing children are not usually allowed to take part in searches for the reasons I outlined above.

I'm imagining the condition of the police officer in the intensive care unit who would have told either of my parents that they were forbidden from physically looking for me.

Kate McCann says, yeah grand get some cucumbers on me eyes.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 01:09AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

I'm imagining the condition of the police officer in the intensive care unit who would have told either of my parents that they were forbidden from physically looking for me.

Kate McCann says, yeah grand get some cucumbers on me eyes.

You were missing for 5 minutes, the situations are not quite comparable as much as you would like them to be.

Spanish Eyes · 23-03-2019 01:12AM

There are none so blind.....

limnam · 23-03-2019 01:12AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

You were missing for 5 minutes, the situations are not quite comparable as much as you would like them to be.

Whats the time frame before parents are not allowed look for thier 3yr old?

An hour? two hours? a day? a week?

Their daugher was missing a few hours and they were back in bed!

maebee · 23-03-2019 01:13AM

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

They don’t come across as cold to me.
They come across as warm & loving in any of the home footage I’ve seen of the family before Madeleines disappearance.
It’s possible for them to have made a stupid decision in leaving the children alone, & still be warm loving people.
They aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

They are anything but warm and loving parents. They, by Kate's admission never physically searched for Madeleine. They told us that she was in the hands of an abductor (possible/probable paedophile) and within days of their 4 year old's disappearance they jogged and blogged about their jogging times, played tennis and told us about the terrible "situation that Madeleine finds herself in". i.e. Madeleine's fault. IMO, the Mcs are 100% guilty.

limnam · 23-03-2019 01:14AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There are none so blind.....

Never came across anything like it in my life

What seem like relatively normal people completely ignoring some major alarm bells and coming up with the strangest of excuses to protect them

Baffeling

Spanish Eyes · 23-03-2019 01:16AM

limnam wrote: »

Whats the time frame before parejts are not allowed look for thier 3yr old?

An hour? two hours? a day? a week?

Their daugher was missing a few hours and they were back in bed!

Some kind of bizarre that alright. But maybe they were a bit pished. But in fairness you would sober up stat in such circumstances no question.

Very strange to me, but maybe not to others. Anyway, no one knows, or will ever know what happened to that unfortunate child.

We are however allowed to theorise.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 01:17AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

maebee wrote: »

They are anything but warm and loving parents. They, by Kate's admission never physically searched for Madeleine. They told us that she was in the hands of an abductor (possible/probable paedophile) and within days of their 4 year old's disappearance they jogged and blogged about their jogging times, played tennis and told us about the terrible "situation that Madeleine finds herself in". i.e. Madeleine's fault. IMO, the Mcs are 100% guilty.

I’m sure someone will be along shortly to tell you that there is no concrete evidence that her parents are responsible for her disappearance, just as they do whenever anyone else posts about the abduction theory carrying any weight.

dark crystal · 23-03-2019 01:18AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

I'm imagining the condition of the police officer in the intensive care unit who would have told either of my parents that they were forbidden from physically looking for me.

Kate McCann says, yeah grand get some cucumbers on me eyes.

Gerry most certainly did search that night. If they'd both gone out for hours that night, they'd then be criticised for leaving the twins again. There's no winning for them in this argument.

limnam · 23-03-2019 01:20AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Gerry most certainly did search that night. If they'd both gone out for hours that night, they'd then be criticised for leaving the twins again. There's no winning for them in this argument.

Like a lil jog around looking under a few cars?

cgcsb · 23-03-2019 01:21AM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

You were missing for 5 minutes, the situations are not quite comparable as much as you would like them to be.

If I were missing any longer, my sister assures me that shopping centre would have been closed and turned upside down top to bottom. There was no danger of my mother or father going to bed, in line with the procedure.

SusieBlue · 23-03-2019 01:21AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Never came across anything like it in my life

What seem like relatively normal people completely ignoring some major alarm bells and coming up with the strangest of excuses to protect them

Baffeling

And I find it equally baffling that other people ignore the major logistics issues and alarm bells regarding the McCanns being responsible.

I’ve researched this for years, I’ve read the files, and based on the information currently available I don’t think it’s likely they’re responsible.
If conclusive evidence arose tomorrow implicating the parents I’d accept that 100%.

I don’t believe they are responsible because I think they are innocent at all costs. I don’t think they’re responsible in the absence of any evidence I find conclusive enough to allude to their guilt.

It’s a divisive issue.

jimwallace197 · 23-03-2019 01:22AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

Gerry most certainly did search that night. If they'd both gone out for hours that night, they'd then be criticised for leaving the twins again. There's no winning for them in this argument.

So much horse**** from conspiracy theorists surrounding this case. There’s not even much point engaging with them anymore darkie. Yah I said it, horse****

Spanish Eyes · 23-03-2019 01:23AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Gerry most certainly did search that night. If they'd both gone out for hours that night, they'd then be criticised for leaving the twins again. There's no winning for them in this argument.

They had friends with them on that holiday. Surely one or two of them would have done everything in their power to assist and minded the twins while they searched.

I think the sedation was a thing for the Mcs. Had to be in control of that so they stayed close to the apartment. Just a theory, as the thread is full of such things!

cgcsb · 23-03-2019 01:25AM

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dark crystal wrote: »

Gerry most certainly did search that night. If they'd both gone out for hours that night, they'd then be criticised for leaving the twins again. There's no winning for them in this argument.

eh bring the jaysis twins, oh right they cant walk, they're rohypnolled off their box. Leave them with your peado mate dave so.

Madeleine McCann

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