Madeleine McCann

Plumbthedepths · 22-03-2019 11:21PM

brendanwalsh wrote:

Listen, if maddie was abducted, the world police were looking for her and she would have been found..interpol and the likes have plenty moles even amongst pedophile rings and plenty nonces would have cracked or squealed for time off prison or fame The fact is they never found any links to abduction because she wasn't abducted.

I would like to think that Madeline's disappearing/death ( I have no evidence of her death but to me it's a logical conclusion) was an accident and I hope she didn't suffer. It's the behaviour of the participants after I find abhorrent. The Portuguese police were to a degree inept but they were met with indifference and stonewalling instead of cooperation.

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 11:21PM

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If there was any justice in the word at all the twins would be in care. I can't believe these people paid thousands for IVF to have Maddie and then wouldn't pay a €5er an hour for someone to watch her while they were away. No doubt the twins are also suffering a childhood of neglect.

limnam · 22-03-2019 11:22PM

Necro wrote: »

As you said, there's really no proof of anything, all we have is speculation. But logic to me, based off the very beginning and them telling lies make me doubt absolutely everything they say.

I've said many times on this thread.

If it was only a couple of lies here and there you could explain it off.

But they just seemed to be surrounded in lies and deception.

Deceiving a priest, who's taken you in. It's vile.

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 11:23PM

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Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I would like to think that Madeline's disappearing/death ( I have no evidence of her death but to me it's a logical conclusion) was an accident and I hope she didn't suffer. It's the behaviour of the participants after I find abhorrent. The Portuguese police were to a degree inept but they were met with indifference and stonewalling instead of cooperation.

I think yeah the police were a bit docile but to be fair to them, it's a small town, their resources are pretty scarce and they've likely never dealt with anything as remotely serious as this before.

limnam · 22-03-2019 11:25PM

cgcsb wrote: »

If there was any justice in the word at all the twins would be in care. I can't believe these people paid thousands for IVF to have Maddie and then wouldn't pay a €5er an hour for someone to watch her while they were away. No doubt the twins are also suffering a childhood of neglect.

Horrible for them too. Lose thier big sister. Knowing their parents left them there while they were out drinking. Knowing all the lies and deceit around it.

I think I'd find it difficult to come to terms with that as I grew up

dark crystal · 22-03-2019 11:26PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

If there was any justice in the word at all the twins would be in care. No doubt the twins are also suffering a childhood of neglect.

What an abhorrant thing to say. You should honestly be ashamed of yourself.

limnam · 22-03-2019 11:26PM

cgcsb wrote: »

I think yeah the police were a bit docile but to be fair to them, it's a small town, their resources are pretty scarce and they've likely never dealt with anything as remotely serious as this before.

There probably used to in the case of missing persons the family assisting them instead of feeding them inconsistencies then stone walling and jumping ship.

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 11:27PM

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limnam wrote: »

Horrible for them too. Lose thier big sister. Knowing their parents left them there while they were out drinking. Knowing all the lies and deceit around it.

I think I'd find it difficult to come to terms with that as I grew up

well if you'd be self sufficient to say the least, probably cooking and walking yourself to school aged 5

iamwhoiam · 22-03-2019 11:27PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Necro wrote: »

I actually don't disagree with much of your huge post above (quoting this so as not to take up the entire page), I still find the abduction explanation to be the most likely of all the scenarios.

And yet the lies by the Mc Canns at the beginning are what impeded the investigation more than anything in my opinion, and therein for me lies the element of doubt.

As you said, there's really no proof of anything, all we have is speculation. But logic to me, based off the very beginning and them telling lies make me doubt absolutely everything they say.

Most of us will never understand anything the Mc Canns do . Their behaviour was bizzare , their parenting was incredibly negletful . How they left their children in strange creches and strange beds all alone is alien to most of us . I find Gerry pompous and cold and the whole blessed group were selfish and arrogant
But I just can't see how they would have got rid of a body and sat down and ate potato bravas and carried on as if it was a fly they had swatted
Then again I could also be very wrong and very blind to the strangeness of the human being

RacoonQueen · 22-03-2019 11:27PM

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cgcsb wrote: »

If there was any justice in the word at all the twins would be in care. I can't believe these people paid thousands for IVF to have Maddie and then wouldn't pay a €5er an hour for someone to watch her while they were away. No doubt the twins are also suffering a childhood of neglect.

A quick google would suggest you are incorrect.

limnam · 22-03-2019 11:27PM

dark crystal wrote: »

What an abhorrant thing to say. You should honestly be ashamed of yourself.

The twins were neglected in portugal too and now pay the price of losing thier sister.

I think it's fair comment.

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 11:29PM

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dark crystal wrote: »

What an abhorrant thing to say. You should honestly be ashamed of yourself.

What? it's an accurate thing to say. They're reckless people, cold to their kids. In every scenario of what happened to Maddie they still abandoned their toddlers at night all the time

dark crystal · 22-03-2019 11:29PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

I think it's fair comment.

Yeah, doesn't surprise me that you'd agree with such a disgusting comment tbh.

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 11:31PM

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iamwhoiam wrote: »

Most of us will never understand anything the Mc Canns do . Their behaviour was bizzare , their parenting was incredibly negletful . How they left their children in strange creches and strange beds all alone is alien to most of us . I find Gerry pompous and cold and the whole blessed group were selfish and arrogant
But I just can't see how they would have got rid of a body and sat down and ate potato bravas and carried on as if it was a fly they had swatted
Then again I could also be very wrong and very blind to the strangeness of the human being

You're assuming that they have emotions like normal people. Kate was dry crying on camera several times.

Creol1 · 22-03-2019 11:31PM

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SteM wrote: »

You're happy to ignore the fact that the height he gave doesn't match McCann or that he didn't see the persons face

He did see the face.

limnam · 22-03-2019 11:31PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Yeah, doesn't surprise me that you'd agree with such a disgusting comment tbh.

Try not to get personal.

Mike9832 · 22-03-2019 11:31PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Case went dead when Scotland Yard focused on the abduction.

Listen, if maddie was abducted, the world police were looking for her and she would have been found..interpol and the likes have plenty moles even amongst pedophile rings and plenty nonces would have cracked or squealed for time off prison or fame
The fact is they never found any links to abduction because she wasn't abducted.

True

Many newspapers were offering huge cash rewards for info

Over €2.5mill in reward money was/is available

They would have talked

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 11:32PM

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RacoonQueen wrote: »

A quick google would suggest you are incorrect.

google knows if kids are being neglected or not? well I'll be, guess we no longer need a social services.

SteM · 22-03-2019 11:36PM

Creol1 wrote: »

He did see the face.

Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour. He cannot state if it was dark or lighter in tone. He did not wear glasses and had no beard or moustache. He did not notice any other relevant details partly due to the fact that the lighting was not very good.
— He was wearing cream or beige-coloured cloth trousers in a classic cut. He did not see his shoes. He did not notice the body clothing and cannot describe the colour or fashion of the same.
— He states that the child was female, about four years of age as she was similar to his granddaughter of the same age. She was a child of normal build, about a metre in height though not being absolutely certain of that as she was being carried. The child has blonde medium-hued hair, without being very light. Her skin was very white, typical of a Brit. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep and her eyelids were closed.
— She was wearing light-coloured pyjamas. He cannot state with certainty the colour. She was not covered by any wrap or blanket. He cannot confirm whether she was barefoot but in his group, they spoke about the child having no cover on her feet.
— Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing. He states that the individual carried the child in his arms, with her head laying on the individual's left shoulder, that being to the right of the deponent. He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position, suggesting [the carrying] not being habitual.
— Having already seen various photographs of MADELEINE and televised images, states that the child who was carried by the individual could have been her. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, also the opinion shared by his family.
— Questioned, says that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was in a deep sleep.
— States that it is not possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph.

This is the initial statement. Where does it say he saw the face? He even said he wouldn't recognise the person he passed in person or by photo.

dark crystal · 22-03-2019 11:36PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Try not to get personal.

It's a shame the poster, whose vile comment you agreed with, got personal about the McCann twins, who do not deserve to be dragged into the mudslinging aimed at their parents.

It was a disgusting comment and needed to be called out for what it was.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 22-03-2019 11:37PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Also, My heart broke for the mother of Rui Pedro, the little boy abducted and subsequently identified as being in a sex ring.
I used to think there is nothing on this earth that could be worse than losing a child, but for me, that is worse. Knowing he is alive but being used and abused by god knows who. I would not be able to go on. Jesus. God love her.

It also rebuts the theories put forward by others that if Madeline McCann was still alive that surely someone from the "underworld" would have come forward. Rui Pedro is a case where he was positively identified and police knew he was still alive but has never been found.

scamalert · 22-03-2019 11:39PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Yeah, doesn't surprise me that you'd agree with such a disgusting comment tbh.

what makes you believe parents couldn't been involved in some sick way ?

its not hard to see how they twisted stories many times, i did mention child crying, they claimed they were there, yet later suggested it could been something that caused it ? how ?

as only thing they did was discredit witness who said she heard cries for over an hour :cool:

why contact uk media less then 3 hours into disappearance and go to sleep at 4, doesn't seem desperate to pull few days searching if child is at stake, now its more like a dog went missing.

jackboy · 22-03-2019 11:39PM

Question. Has any other British or Irish child ever been abducted by a peadophile gang while holidaying in Spain or Portugal?

Necro · 22-03-2019 11:40PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Most of us will never understand anything the Mc Canns do . Their behaviour was bizzare , their parenting was incredibly negletful . How they left their children in strange creches and strange beds all alone is alien to most of us . I find Gerry pompous and cold and the whole blessed group were selfish and arrogant
But I just can't see how they would have got rid of a body and sat down and ate potato bravas and carried on as if it was a fly they had swatted
Then again I could also be very wrong and very blind to the strangeness of the human being

Yeah, I do agree it's completely unfathomable. And I think that she was abducted more than I believe some sort of horrible accident/murder occurred.

However the entire timeline events as accounted by the Tapas group is based on a complete and utter lie in my opinion.

Jane Tanner's sighting of a person of interest supposedly happened when Gerry Mc Cann was talking to another holidaymaker around 9.05pm. Yet Gerry states he never saw her on a narrow street. And Jane says she passed him - the stories completely contradict each other.

I don't believe anyone checked on the Mc Cann children from 8.30pm until she was discovered missing by Kate at 10pm. I believe that Tanner may have checked on her own children, but the bungled cover story for the Mc Cann children not being checked on falls down exactly there where Gerry and Jane's stories do not cross over.

And based off that the case was unsolveable from the beginning as the timeline for taking her if that is what happened is entirely different from the accounts of the Mc Canns and others in the group.

limnam · 22-03-2019 11:40PM

dark crystal wrote: »

It's a shame the poster, whose vile comment you agreed with, got personal about the McCann twins, who do not deserve to be dragged into the mudslinging aimed at their parents.

It was a disgusting comment and needed to be called out for what it was.

He's not getting personal about the twins.

Neglectful parents don't tend to flip and flop they're generally always the same. Eithier caring or neglectful. It's reasonable to think as they neglected the twins previosly and put them in a situation were they could be "abducted" like thier sister that a leopard doesn't change it's spot

Hows that getting personal with the twins?

Come off it lad.

SusieBlue · 22-03-2019 11:41PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

What? it's an accurate thing to say. They're reckless people, cold to their kids. In every scenario of what happened to Maddie they still abandoned their toddlers at night all the time

They don’t come across as cold to me.
They come across as warm & loving in any of the home footage I’ve seen of the family before Madeleines disappearance.
It’s possible for them to have made a stupid decision in leaving the children alone, & still be warm loving people.
They aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

iamwhoiam · 22-03-2019 11:42PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

I am not doubting Mr Smith and he seems sure of what he saw but am very much in awe of anyone with that kind of memory . I was on holiday in Sept and if anyone asked me 3 or 4 months later what some random man I passed was wearing I would have no clue
I doubt I could remember what I was wearing or what night it was that I saw some random person . What made him remember his trousers or the childs hair ?

dark crystal · 22-03-2019 11:44PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

If there was any justice in the word at all the twins would be in care. I can't believe these people paid thousands for IVF to have Maddie and then wouldn't pay a €5er an hour for someone to watch her while they were away. No doubt the twins are also suffering a childhood of neglect.

limnam wrote: »

He's not getting personal about the twins.

Neglectful parents don't tend to flip and flop they're generally always the same. Eithier caring or neglectful. It's reasonable to think as they neglected the twins previosly and put them in a situation were they could be "abducted" like thier sister that a leopard doesn't change it's spot

Hows that getting personal with the twins?

Come off it lad.

I'm not a lad and if you have proof that the McCann twins are being neglected by their parents, ring the Social Services in the UK and report it, otherwise it's pure unfounded nastiness.

This thread is becoming a cesspool.

Plumbthedepths · 22-03-2019 11:46PM

iamwhoiam wrote:

I am not doubting Mr Smith and he seems sure of what he saw but am very much in awe of anyone with that kind of memory . I was on holiday in Sept and if anyone asked me 3 or 4 months later what some random man I passed was wearing I would have no clue I doubt I could remember what I was wearing or what night it was that I saw some random person . What made him remember his trousers or the childs hair ?

Other members of his family also gave witness statements. Strange that a BBC panorama programme claimed Smith retracted his witness statement. Mr Smith contacted Panorama to dispute their claim. To-date I don't think they gave a correction to the claim they broadcast. Also his family gave witness statements aswell. Smith also claimed his memory was triggered by the way GMcC moved and his demeanor as he descended the states on returning to the UK.

limnam · 22-03-2019 11:47PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

They don’t come across as cold to me.
They come across as warm & loving in any of the home footage I’ve seen of the family before Madeleines disappearance.
It’s possible for them to have made a stupid decision in leaving the children alone, & still be warm loving people.
They aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

The NI guy. Who's worked in the most awful places for charity. Took a dislike to Gerry after a couple of minutes.

He doesn't have a likeable personality. The vast majority of people if asked based on what they've seen heard wouldn't like him.

It's ok to not like his personality, it doesn't make him a murder.

His public persona is calculated,controlled,arragont,egotistical. Pretty much any character trait that most people dislike in most people he has it.

It's fine. It's not really that relevant.

Madeleine McCann

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