Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

RobertKK · 22-03-2019 09:11PM

Elmar Brok MEP thinks the UK are highly likely to leave with no deal, on LBC saying the UK had no plan and has no plan.

Scarinae · 22-03-2019 09:17PM

Uri Geller (the fella who claims to bend spoons with his mind) has published an open letter to Theresa May saying he's going to telepathically stop Brexit:

My Dear Theresa,
We have known each other for over 21 years since you became our MP. You visited my home in Sonning, where you also lived. Three years before you became Prime Minister, I predicted your victory when I showed you Winston Churchill's spoon on my Cadillac, which I asked you to touch.

Despite popular public opinion, I also predicted that Donald Trump would become the 45th President of the United States.

As you might have read, I am ensuring that Jeremy Corbyn never gets the keys to Number 10 Downing Street, with the power of my mind which I have proved over and again.

I will ensure that they bend out of all proportion to ensure that he never takes up residence there.

My power has been validated by the CIA, MI5 and Mossad.

The CIA concluded: "As a result of Geller's success in this experimental period, we consider that he has demonstrated his paranormal perceptual ability in a convincing and unambiguous manner."

It is easily verifiable. Just look at the official CIA website.

I have influenced many high ranking officials around the world.

On one occasion, Senator Clayborne Pell, then the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, directed me to bombard the mind of Yuli Vorontsov, the Soviet Union’s chief nuclear negotiator, to influence him telepathically to sign the Nuclear Arms Reduction treaty, which I did successfully.

Now to the point of my open letter to you.

I feel psychically and very strongly that most British people do not want Brexit.
I love you very much but I will not allow you to lead Britain into Brexit.

As much as I admire you, I will stop you telepathically from doing this - and believe me I am capable of executing it.

Before I take this drastic course of action, I appeal to you to stop the process immediately while you still have a chance.

Although I currently live in Israel I am still a British citizen and feel very passionately about the country and the people I came to love.

Much energy and love

Uri

ancapailldorcha · 22-03-2019 10:09PM

Mod: Serious posts only please.

brickster69 · 22-03-2019 10:12PM

Inquitus wrote: »

May's letter to MP's of this evening, worth a read, won't bother with MV3 if it has no chance of passing:

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1109168282249109504

Parliament is shut on Friday this week i think.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-22/what-parliament-needs-to-do-to-change-brexit-date-from-march-29

An Ciarraioch · 22-03-2019 10:24PM

Jeffrey Donaldson attending the FG Árd Fheis tomorrow (why are they having another one now, by the way, when the last one was in November?)

http://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1109169211979509761

weemcd · 22-03-2019 11:00PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Has this not always been the case?

I can't help but think now online people can tap into these groups so much easier and become indoctrinated faster. There are so many tools to do so, with Facebook, Twitter, YouTube etc and the use of analytics to target exactly the right people. A huge collective cognitive dissonance.

LeinsterDub · 22-03-2019 11:32PM

The EU increasingly believes a no-deal Brexit on 12 April is the most likely outcome, senior EU officials have said, prompting Emmanuel Macron to privately ask the Irish prime minister if his country could cope

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/22/brexit-uk-has-chance-to-rethink-the-whole-thing-say-eu-leaders

And yet we still have those on here suggesting we'll be pushed under the bus

L1011 · 22-03-2019 11:37PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

(why are they having another one now, by the way, when the last one was in November?)

As far as I know TV time rules are one per calendar year and its not televised if its approaching an election. Think only FF, FG, SF, Labour get coverage anyway, that having been the case for donkeys years. Could be >5% consistent votes or something.

FG are clearly expecting an election Quite Soon and want the TV time. They'll probably still use the daytime bits for droning motion discussion as is the norm. There's been some odd timing from other parties before, Labour in 2016 comes to mind - conference with no motions and only one day to ensure it got done before the election was actually called.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-03-2019 11:41PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

April 10th, anniversary of the sinking of RMS Titanic
April 12th, anniversary of the sinking of HMG Brexit

You have to remember the UK is playing chess with an opponent that is about four moves ahead of them.

May 22 is the anniversary of the referendums on the Good Friday Agreement.

Imreoir2 · 22-03-2019 11:43PM

Water John wrote: »

Brexiteers describing indicitive votes as a 'national humiliation' and 'ludicrous'.
So asking MPs what they think is best, isn't democratic?

Of course it's not democratic! You don't ask MP's what they think is best, you tell them what to think and threathen them with loosing their job if they disagree. That's democracy.

hotmail.com · 22-03-2019 11:58PM

The next big event is tomorrow's protest. They are expecting a million people. Will it make any difference?

ancapailldorcha · 22-03-2019 11:59PM

No more memes please. Post deleted.

LeinsterDub · 23-03-2019 12:03AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The next big event is tomorrow's protest. They are expecting a million people. Will it make any difference?

Not in the slightest. The hardliners will just keep driving for no deal

Capt'n Midnight · 23-03-2019 12:03AM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Of course it's not democratic! You don't ask MP's what they think is best, you tell them what to think and threathen them with loosing their job if they disagree. That's democracy.

Unlike Ireland with multi-seat constituencies AND a transferable vote, nearly 60% of UK elections take place in safe seats where the selection committee effectively decides who gets elected.

In an Irish election your greatest threats are your running mates. It's not first past the post on the first count. It's Devil take the hindmost on each of multiple counts.

An Ciarraioch · 23-03-2019 12:09AM

Useful chart from David Henig on the implications of the indicative vote options:

http://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1109093283970596869

Irish Praetorian · 23-03-2019 12:11AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

April 10th, anniversary of the sinking of RMS Titanic
April 12th, anniversary of the sinking of HMG Brexit

Just for the benefit of both, the Titanic sank on April the 15th, having being hit by the Iceberg on April 14th and beginning her voyage on April 10th.

Capt'n Midnight · 23-03-2019 12:11AM

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1109123555474714624

The importance of the peace process for future trade deals.

About that.
US to prioritise trade deal with EU over UK post-Brexit

He said that he was "skeptical" that any trade deal with the UK would ever happen, pointing out that there was not enough time to negotiate and pass a deal before the end of President Trump's first term in office and the current Congressional session.

ThePanjandrum · 23-03-2019 12:12AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The next big event is tomorrow's protest. They are expecting a million people. Will it make any difference?

That means 250,000 tops. Organisers grossly overestimate the crowds, often they say its around three times as large as it really is, The Losers' Vote campaign is prone to greater greater exaggeration than normal.

FrancieBrady · 23-03-2019 12:13AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The next big event is tomorrow's protest. They are expecting a million people. Will it make any difference?

A million wont make any difference sadly.

LeinsterDub · 23-03-2019 12:14AM

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

That means 250,000 tops. Organisers grossly overestimate the crowds, often they say its around three times as large as it really is, The Losers' Vote campaign is prone to greater greater exaggeration than normal.

https://fullfact.org/news/did-670000-march-peoples-vote-brexit/

Well it's easy enough to get accurate numbers on the pro brexit march organised by Nigel

ThePanjandrum · 23-03-2019 12:15AM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Just for the benefit of both, the Titanic sank on April the 15th, having being hit by the Iceberg on April 14th and beginning her voyage on April 10th.

More than 1,500 people died on the Titanic, you want to turn the deaths into a political joke.

Capt'n Midnight · 23-03-2019 12:16AM

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

More than 1,500 people died on the Titanic, you want to turn the deaths into a political joke.

Less than half the number who died the last time there was a Hard Border in Ireland.

Inquitus · 23-03-2019 12:16AM

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

That means 250,000 tops. Organisers grossly overestimate the crowds, often they say its around three times as large as it really is, The Losers' Vote campaign is prone to greater greater exaggeration than normal.

A lot more than the 10 lost souls who turned up at the start of Farage's laughable event. Anyways the odds of a 2nd referendum are shortening by the day, so maybe these so called "losers" will end up winning, now Brexit has had its Emperors new clothes removed.

Capt'n Midnight · 23-03-2019 12:19AM

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

That means 250,000 tops. Organisers grossly overestimate the crowds, often they say its around three times as large as it really is, The Losers' Vote campaign is prone to greater greater exaggeration than normal.

At the last count the Leave March had 57 , and that included counting 17 stragglers who had separated from the main group.

https://twitter.com/bydonkeys?lang=en

Irish Praetorian · 23-03-2019 12:19AM

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

More than 1,500 people died on the Titanic, you want to turn the deaths into a political joke.

You will observe I made neither the original joke nor the subsequent response; instead I wished to correct a factual error that I noted. This being the Brexit thread I think its actually quite important to tackle factual falsehoods as they arise, rather than daubing them on the side of a bus. In either case I believe any development of this point would be off topic so perhaps we ought return to the central issue.

Working class heroes · 23-03-2019 12:26AM

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

More than 1,500 people died on the Titanic, you want to turn the deaths into a political joke.

An event which was easily avoided. Sound familiar?

irishproduce · 23-03-2019 12:31AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Here's some of the Operation Yellowhammer risk assessment of no deal that was leaked to The Guardian

Edit: Couldn't hot link it, here it is now.

Nonsense, that was a strategic leak and because it is a strategic leak then it can be assumed the parties who prepared that have an agenda and would prepare the leaked "document" with same in mind.
The fact there is a part redacted shows it was not an incidental leak. The leakers and preparers of that document redacted something.
I wouldn't read too much in to half that nonsense.
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear

briany · 23-03-2019 12:36AM

This UK government has been completely outmanoeuvred by the EU. In fairness, it hasn't really taken much on the EU's part. They've just stood by, cool and collected, arms folded, while the UK staggered about, hitting itself.

There would be an element of schadenfreude, but the level of humiliation felt by the UK is going to leave a bad taste in their mouths and I fear a long-term souring of relations that will make future cooperation that much more difficult.

josip · 23-03-2019 12:42AM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Just for the benefit of both, the Titanic sank on April the 15th, having being hit by the Iceberg on April 14th and beginning her voyage on April 10th.

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

You will observe I made neither the original joke nor the subsequent response; instead I wished to correct a factual error that I noted. This being the Brexit thread I think its actually quite important to tackle factual falsehoods as they arise, rather than daubing them on the side of a bus. In either case I believe any development of this point would be off topic so perhaps we ought return to the central issue.

Mods please remove if too far off topic, but Irish Praetorian is keen to have falsehoods tackled as they arise.

I believe it was the Titanic that hit the iceberg and not the other way around as he has hannanised.

Joe_ Public · 23-03-2019 12:47AM

irishproduce wrote: »

Nonsense, that was a strategic leak and because it is a strategic leak then it can be assumed the parties who prepared that have an agenda and would prepare the leaked "document" with same in mind.
The fact there is a part redacted shows it was not an incidental leak. The leakers and preparers of that document redacted something.
I wouldn't read too much in to half that nonsense.
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear

Have to say it did cross my mind that there was something a little fishy about that document being made public at a time when the pm was critically trying to focus people’s minds on the looming spectre of no deal. Thought i was just being a bit cynical about it, though.

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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