Madeleine McCann

limnam · 21-03-2019 12:29AM

h2005 wrote: »

Obvious?? After watching the doc I’m not sure how anyone could think they killed her

Yeah?

The lies they've told?

The lies their friends told?

The dogs?

The negligence?

Noting to question no?

limnam · 21-03-2019 12:31AM

TallGlass wrote: »

Ah, so the just going for the 'two pints' type of 'only 5' bottles.

I'm not saying G Mc C did or didn't go at the stated time he mentioned, it's just fairly odd that 7 people with a fair amount of drink in them can remember there exactly time line for the evening.

Not impossible, but not even one person openly stated 'I can't remember' or not even 'I can't remember past x'.

I thought a number of them changed thier story and then refused to help anymore

odd considering your best friends daughter depends on it

scamalert · 21-03-2019 12:31AM

cgcsb wrote: »

What kind of boring tight group of 7 friends would eat dinner in the same place at the same table every solitary night of their holiday just for the sake of daving a few quid on a baby sitter. Where do you find these people? They could even share a babysitter between 2 families some nights if they were that tight.

so true its so little known about them so called friends were they even close or anything, as it seems one thing in common all of them had young kids, and somehow none of them bothered to leave em say with close family home as booking for such large group to take hold in advance would of taken months preparations to sort dates work etc, and to tag along kids who you wont bother to look after as well ?

just doesn't sit right for relaxing holiday idea.

Plumbthedepths · 21-03-2019 12:32AM

h2005 wrote:

Obvious?? After watching the doc Iâ€™m not sure how anyone could think they killed her

I remember my son a couple of years ago showing me a photo of a dress on FB, he couldn't believe I was seeing a different colour to him although we both were looking at the same dress.

limnam · 21-03-2019 12:35AM

scamalert wrote: »

so true its so little known about them so called friends were they even close or anything, as it seems one thing in common all of them had young kids, and somehow none of them bothered to leave em say with close family home as booking for such large group to take hold in advance would of taken months preparations to sort dates work etc, and to tag along kids who you wont bother to look after as well ?

just doesn't sit right for relaxing holiday idea.

Close enough, one of them used to want to be washing the other kids in the bath..

Butson · 21-03-2019 12:35AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Smith's had a receipt from Kelly's bar which showed the time they paid for their drinks as they finished up in the pub.

dark crystal · 21-03-2019 12:36AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TallGlass wrote: »

Ah, so the just going for the 'two pints' type of 'only 5' bottles.

I'm not saying G Mc C did or didn't go at the stated time he mentioned, it's just fairly odd that 7 people with a fair amount of drink in them can remember there exactly time line for the evening.

Not impossible, but not even one person openly stated 'I can't remember' or not even 'I can't remember past x'.

5 bottles between 9 people at dinner seems excessive to you? Just over half a bottle each... Fair enough.

They block booked the table for the same time every night of their holiday, why would the times be so confusing for them?

limnam · 21-03-2019 12:37AM

dark crystal wrote: »

5 bottles between 9 people at dinner seems excessive to you? Just over half a bottle each... Fair enough.

They block booked the table for the same time every night of their holiday, why would the times be so confusing for them?

We've no idea how many bottles they had afaik.

dark crystal · 21-03-2019 12:39AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

We've no idea how many bottles they had afaik.

You were the one who mentioned the number of bottles a few posts back..

MonkieSocks · 21-03-2019 12:40AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Boom_Bap wrote: »

It could be part of the process, we don't see the videos of the other cars, plus, the handler didn't know which car belonged to them either.

In this case, we don't know anything for sure

The McCanns car was pretty obvious to anyone who actually viewed it.

it was the only one with "Find Madeleine" flyers on the the windows

limnam · 21-03-2019 12:40AM

dark crystal wrote: »

You were the one who mentioned the number of bottles a few posts back..

I was been sarcastic.

TallGlass · 21-03-2019 12:41AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

5 bottles between 9 people at dinner seems excessive to you? Just over half a bottle each... Fair enough.

They block booked the table for the same time every night of their holiday, why would the times be so confusing for them?

True. For such a sense-able bunch with an ability to just drink '5 bottles of wine' and 'block book the table each night' in that case it's a pity there parental skills did't match there sense on the night and there ability to 'block book' a bit of childcare, if they did this situation more than likely wouldn't exist.

dark crystal · 21-03-2019 12:47AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TallGlass wrote: »

True. For such a sense-able bunch with an ability to just drink '5 bottles of wine' and 'block book the table each night' in that case it's a pity there parental skills did't match there sense on the night and there ability to 'block book' a bit of childcare, if they did this situation more than likely wouldn't exist.

We've been over the fact they left the children alone numerous times and have been warned about continuing down that line, so it's a moot point at this stage.

Any viable theories on what happened to Madeleine?

limnam · 21-03-2019 12:52AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Any viable theories on what happened to Madeleine?

Any answers to any of the questions been put here on the McCanns?

People constantly asking for timelines is as boring as the back and forth of how negligent they were.

TallGlass · 21-03-2019 12:53AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

We've been over the fact they left the children alone numerous times and have been warned about continuing down that line, so it's a moot point at this stage.

In fairness it's a fairly important point, and if your going to bring up there ability to 'block book tables' then it's worth mentioning they could have done the same for some childcare!

Apologies if there where warnings, I missed them and it won't be mentioned again.

brendanwalsh · 21-03-2019 01:00AM

Something Else

Lot of stuff just doesn't add up.

Mccann time line is off.

Mccann friends accusing Robert murat.

Murat is one of the few who has any credibility.

Why did the friends all have changing stories

limnam · 21-03-2019 01:02AM

gozunda wrote: »

Other accounts from staff of the Tapas bar refer to 8 bottles - 4 white and 4 red being ordered by the group during dinner. Do we know whether all members of the group drank wine? Did some abstain perhaps. The McCanns had (according to their own testimony) shared a bottle between them before heading to the restaurant on the night in question.

hmm so we've gone from 5 bottles to 9 including the shared bottle.

Not long now to get to Ibiza

limnam · 21-03-2019 01:04AM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Lot of stuff just doesn't add up.

Mccann time line is off.

Mccann friends accusing Robert murat.

Murat is one of the few who has any credibility.

Why did the friends all have changing stories

Not sure about Murat's credibility.

I think it was in the Hall doc on you tube there was a very strange conversation between him and a sky reporter.

I'll need to look into it and make sure it was true, if so.

Very strange

gozunda · 21-03-2019 01:16AM

Something Else

limnam wrote: »

hmm so we've gone from 5 bottles to 9 including the shared bottle.

Not long now to get to Ibiza

Oops accidentally hit delete when I was adding a reference to that quote.

It was this and another that I remember reading from the testimonies of the Tapas restaurant staff.

In relation to alcohol consumption, it never appeared to me to be excessive*. The wine was included in the dinner at Tapas and the functionaries were very generous in this respect. The permission was approximately one bottler per person . According to what I remember, and relative to the consumption of alcohol, there were seven bottles between the nine adults. I believe that on the first or second night they dined in the Tapas, they drank a bit more, perhaps eight or nine bottles of wine. I believe that they were also offered liquor this night, as they had been such good clients. The behaviour of the table did not change the night in questions. If anything, the group jested more than usual but no one appeared drunk.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm

Just checking for the other one ...

From Gerrys interview

Usually, between 20h30 and the end of dinner, they would drink more or less a bottle of wine per person.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

* for me personally if I drank a bottle of wine at dinner- I'd be under the table ...

brendanwalsh · 21-03-2019 01:37AM

Something Else

What was the discrepancy in the window shutters between Kate and gerry etc
I couldn't quite understand what they were getting at in the documentary?

maebee · 21-03-2019 01:51AM

Accident happened, parents hid body

MonkieSocks wrote: »

The McCanns car was pretty obvious to anyone who actually viewed it.

it was the only one with "Find Madeleine" flyers on the the windows

The dogs didn't view "Find Madeleine"

MonkieSocks · 21-03-2019 01:57AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

maebee wrote: »

The dogs didn't view "Find Madeleine"

I never said they did.

I was responding to a post where Boom bap said

Originally Posted by Boom_Bap View Post

It could be part of the process, we don't see the videos of the other cars, plus, the handler didn't know which car belonged to them either.

Mike9832 · 21-03-2019 02:26AM

cgcsb wrote: »

The Spanish PI was a good skin. I'd say knew off the cuff she wasn't abducted. He was great at inflating the ego of the Kennedys saying The useless young lad was a 'fast learner' then never mentioning him again. He uaed the time to expose the Iberian Peninsula's biggest paedophile ring, who of course knew nothing of Madeline McCann.

Yeah I liked him, the whole thing sickened him you could feel.

Kennedy lad was a complete moron alright, his father wasn't much better.

Mike9832 · 21-03-2019 02:30AM

cnocbui wrote: »

The dogs gave positive indications of death in three different cases and yet there was no corroborating real evidence found in any of the three cases, and yet some people still insist the dogs are infallible. 100% failure rate and yet they are infallible - yes, you couldn't make it up.

Hmmmm

Trust the dogs or Mccanns

Dogs

Mike9832 · 21-03-2019 02:35AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well just to say.... if the parents were checking all the kids in different apartments every twenty minutes or so, that was some amount of keys each checker needed. Can you imagine the amount of fumbling going on!

But I don't believe there were any regular checks anyway. No proof is there?

I am sure someone will revert to me and say BUT, BUT, and I await the response.

I doubt there was any checking apart from the last one TBH. But we are all just speculating since there is no proof of anything.

Did all parents apart from Mcs have baby monitors? And if so why did anyone other than the Mc parents check on all kids.

I am totally sceptical about the checks TBH, leaving aside the fact that each checker would have looked like a jailer with all those keys!

How long would it even take to check 4-5 apartments?

Walk there and back, different sets of keys, half closed doors, front door entrance, back door entrance, stairs, gates, bedrooms, crazy stuff

They would have never all sat together if they checked every 20 mins and thats not likely

So pissed off they never did a reconstruction, even Netflix could have done one

Such a load of bull**** thosw checks

SteM · 21-03-2019 07:54AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As discussed earlier Smith mentioned demeanor and movement.

Not in his first statement, go and read it. In the second statement it's the way McCann turns his head while stepping off the plane that makes him think its the man he saw briefly in the dark 5 months previously.

Can't believe that you trust every part of the Smith sighting apart from the time line which 3 of the Smith party agree on. When it comes to the time line you rubbish it because they were on holiday and could have been mistaken, even though they all agree on the general time frame. You're happy to ignore the fact that the height he gave doesn't match McCann or that he didn't see the persons face and he's identifying a person on instinct but you insist that a person on holiday can't keep track of time. It's almost like you're picking and choosing what you want from the statement to reinforce your own opinion.

Plumbthedepths · 21-03-2019 08:03AM

How do you arrive at the notion that I trust every part of the Smith sighting when I further back in the thread said he could be wrong. As for time, i said people were relaxing winding down I don't find it credible in a holiday setting that people are governed by the clock or would adhere as strictly to the clock as suggested. Btw you are on a discussion forum not everyone is going to share your opinion.

21-03-2019 09:56AM

Something Else

This thread is getting hilarious.

Its not ok that they neglected their kids all week, but sure they probably feel bad about it...
The dogs are inaccurate. Actually no, the trainer forced them to signal in 5A and the car. Or maybe the PJ planted a body there to frame them. Martin Smith is just a daft tourist who has no idea what he saw, sure how could he know what time it was?

The dogs and the PJ had this case sussed 12 years ago. She died in the apartment.
Convicting a person without a body or confession is very complicated.
The dogs were not wrong with what they found, just the items tested were not enough for a conviction.

Scotland Yard investigated an abduction for years. They found nothing.
The case went cold when attention moved away from the McCanns

Boom_Bap · 21-03-2019 10:12AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

MonkieSocks wrote: »

The McCanns car was pretty obvious to anyone who actually viewed it.

it was the only one with "Find Madeleine" flyers on the the windows

Just watched that bit again, that's hilarious.

The investigator is saying 'at the time, he did not know which car belonged to which individual' while the Find Madeline flyers are in the window. I didn't notice that the first time around.

Other cars, he guides his hand around to show the dog where to look.
On the Scenic, he calls the dog back and taps on the car. It could all be normal as far as getting the dogs attention to get to work, and we don't see all the footage from the other car searches.
The dog doesn't bark where he tapped though.

But yeah, I think that he probably knew which car was theirs given the number of times it was in the press.

pc7 · 21-03-2019 10:29AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

I finished it last night, I found the final episode deeply disturbing with all the talk of pedophile rings, its actually fooking heartbreaking and terrifying at the same time. Fair play to the spanish investigator he seemed to do great work, I don't know how the like of Grimes can do that work daily it must break you down. The lady from the Innocence project is right, why isn't more being done to track down, trace and get these bastards. Those poor poor kids, I just don't understand how there can be so many photos in those books.

Madeleine McCann

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