Would you consider suicide selfish?

Purple Mountain · 22-03-2019 8:05pm

I don't think that it is selfish. If someone is in so much physical or emotional pain that they feel they can't live anymore, then ultimately it should be their decision as to when they die.
I will say however I think it's unfair when someone who does die in this way, does not leave a letter for their loved ones outlining what's going on in their life that brought them to that point.
It must be torture for family who get no answers and in some cases are not even sure if the death was deliberate or not.

Tell me how · 22-03-2019 8:07pm

Ordinarily, I would never think of someone as being selfish when I hear that they committed suicide. But, if someone was found guilty of a heinous crime and sentenced to life in prison and they took their own life rather than serve it, could that not be said to have been a selfish act?

Anyone who does so after suffering in a place of despair, depression, I do not think of them being in any way selfish.

I expect that the vast amount of those who do so belong to the latter group rather than the former and so I completely disagree that it should be considered a taboo subject or not discussed.

It is still the case that some do so because they do not know that they can get better and this may be partly because they think no one else has suffered as they have. Talking will help reduce the likelihood of this happening.

22-03-2019 8:11pm

it depends on the context of the act

and it depends on whether one insists on looking at it from only the point of view of the person, or whether you can advocate for others

it can of course be a selfish act

Edgarfrndly · 22-03-2019 8:15pm

No and anyone who considers it selfish, is ignorant. Suicide is the last resorts of someone who has been in pain for a long time. People don't commit suicide out of selfishness. They do it because life has become too much.

It really angers me to see people still in this day and age see suicide as a selfish act. Someone who struggles with depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder or any other mental health problem are not viewing life through the same lens as someone without mental health disorders. They are dealing with a persistent, long-term illness which cannot be fixed.

It's like those stupid phrases like "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem". Depression is not a temporary problem. It's a permanent, relentless problem that is with you for life.

Rubberchikken · 22-03-2019 8:15pm

no mot selfish. people who are in such a dark place honestly think that their family and the world will be actually better off without them.
its very skewed thinking brought on by being mentally unwell.

Necro · 22-03-2019 8:16pm

I do find the act selfish tbh. I don't see how it can be construed as anything else tbh.

The caveat is that as others have said, people who are suicidal in most cases don't tend to be thinking very rationally about these things.

So yes, it's incredibly selfish. But no, I wouldn't judge anyone who did so as being selfish. Just (in most cases), tragically mentally ill.

castletownman · 22-03-2019 8:45pm

Ordinarily I find it absolutely heartbreaking. Lost a close family member to it coming up to a year ago, and lost a friend almost ten years ago. Its definitely the most shocking news anyone can get. I can only emphatise with the person who sees no other way out.

However, there was a sad conclusion to a month-long search for a man locally yesterday, and I am erring on the side of selfishness. Judging by the hope his partner conveyed on social media everyday throughout the search, and her consistent pleas that he returns home, he clearly didn't leave any note. And his partner is pregnant too, so is left with that burden to carry as well as all the questions, grief, etc.

God bless him all the same. Its a terrible scourge in this country.

Mam of 4 · 22-03-2019 8:47pm

It's a very emotive topic for everyone I think .
Our minds can be our worst enemy at times .

Imagine not being able to escape the relentless dark thoughts in your head ?
No escape from them , day after day ?
Thinking that the only way to escape the pain is by taking your own life ..

Mental anguish and torture , must be unbearable

So no , I don't think it's selfish tbh .

Stay safe all .

givyjoe · 22-03-2019 8:50pm

Necro wrote: »

I do find the act selfish tbh. I don't see how it can be construed as anything else tbh.

The caveat is that as others have said, people who are suicidal in most cases don't tend to be thinking very rationally about these things.

So yes, it's incredibly selfish. But no, I wouldn't judge anyone who did so as being selfish. Just (in most cases), tragically mentally ill.

That post is one big contradiction after another.

Necro · 22-03-2019 8:53pm

givyjoe wrote: »

That post is one big contradiction after another.

Based on?

The act of committing suicide is selfish, but the person committing it is not necessarily actually selfish themselves, due to the fact they may be mentally ill.

It can be both things at the same time, that's why the issue is a difficult topic.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 22-03-2019 8:57pm

Absolutely not. You can’t put the feelings of everyone else on someone clearly incapable of coping with their own feelings.

screamer · 22-03-2019 8:58pm

I think it is selfish, BUT that is because in my rational logical mind I can find a solution to any issue really, so I can fix something.
But for someone in turmoil, who feels out of options or that there are no solutions, it may feel like their only option. I don’t know I don’t suffer with depression, and I’ve never felt suicidal so god only knows what those poor people are thinking.
It is so hard for those left behind, but the poor person has paid the ultimate price. They know no more, but the pain transfers to their families left behind and that is the consequence, and for that reason I think it a selfish decision.
At the same time, I feel so very sorry for that person, lost, scared, alone making such a terrible decision. Nothing is worth your life.

screamer · 22-03-2019 9:00pm

Still waters wrote: »

Does everyone give an occasional thought to ending it all, I dont mean a really in debt analysis of how one would be better off dead and doing it by your own hand, I mean just n occasional thought that would come into your mind about how much easier it would be, to not just live life

No, never.

killanena · 22-03-2019 9:04pm

Although it seems selfish, especially if kids are involved, I don't think it is. If your that fair down the hole you are not going to be thinking clearly, other peoples feelings wouldn't be comprehended.

I've been down that hole myself when I was a teenager and I have lost someone very close to me to suicide 2 years ago. I'm not religious, but I do feel they are finally at peace.

What I can't stand is people joking about committing suicide or using it as a tool of manipulation..

realitykeeper · 22-03-2019 9:05pm

I wouldn`t be into self pity. Those who go around moping and feeling sorry for themselves really ought to buck up for their own sake. Self destructive behavour comes in many guises other than suicide, for instance smoking, drugs etc and there again I feel those who indulge in such pursuits really should reflect on their behaviour which can impact on others. Personally I like to throw myself into my work which I am passionate about and which improves the lives of others, that in turn makes me happy.

givyjoe · 22-03-2019 9:11pm

Necro wrote: »

Based on?

The act of committing suicide is selfish, but the person committing it is not necessarily actually selfish themselves, due to the fact they may be mentally ill.

It can be both things at the same time, that's why the issue is a difficult topic.

Based on your contradictory statements in your original post, simple really.

If you had any kind of idea the torment people are suffering from, you wouldn't call it selfish. Genuinely, have you ever suffered from any kind of mental illness?

Necro · 22-03-2019 9:15pm

givyjoe wrote: »

Based on your contradictory statements in your original post, simple really.

If you any kind of idea the torment people are suffering from, you wouldn't call it selfish. Genuinely, have you ever suffered from any kind of mental illness?

Nope, thankfully.

As I said, the act of suicide itself is an incredibly selfish one.

But it is not normally carried out by a person who is rational - so therefore the person committing the act shouldn't be judged as selfish.

You still aren't explaining what's contradictory btw, but I'll leave it there seeing as you seem to be spoiling for a fight given your tone.

givyjoe · 22-03-2019 9:19pm

Necro wrote: »

Nope, thankfully.

As I said, the act of suicide itself is an incredibly selfish one.

But it is not normally carried out by a person who is rational - so therefore the person committing the act shouldn't be judged as selfish.

You still aren't explaining what's contradictory btw, but I'll leave it there seeing as you seem to be spoiling for a fight given your tone.

I'm sorry, that opinion is based on complete and utter ignorance. It's now incredibly selfish is it? If you haven't suffered from any such illness, how can you possibly know how people feel In those circumstances? You're also assuming people who commit suicide are mentally ill. Someone who loses their wife and children in car crash, they commit suicide, is it because of mental illness or the unbearable anguish they suffer each day? Plenty of people make what is to them, in their circumstances, a rational decision.

Do you believe those who are suffering unbearable physical pain and choose assisted suicide are incredibly selfish too?

One eyed Jack · 22-03-2019 9:29pm

givyjoe wrote: »

Based on your contradictory statements in your original post, simple really.

If you any kind of idea the torment people are suffering from, you wouldn't call it selfish. Genuinely, have you ever suffered from any kind of mental illness?

It’s hardly surprising that people would be conflicted by what is generally regarded as the antithesis to everything they’ve been inculcated with their whole lives - that life is a gift not to be taken for granted, and that everyone should make the most of the opportunity they have been given.

FWIW btw I’ve known many people who suffer and have suffered from mental illness and they regard suicide as selfish, or “the easy way out” as it were. I know where you get the impression that people experiencing mental illness suffer greatly and are in the throes of despair when they choose to take their own life.

That’s a rather simplistic impression of suicide which ignores the many multi-faceted perspectives, such as the idea of being suicidal with no underlying or co-morbid ill mental health issues or mental disorder (although suicidal ideation is itself categorised as a mental disorder), or sudden suicide as a result of fear of damage to their reputation, or simply for that some people life has gotten too much and they’d rather not continue to live in this world, or for other people the prospect of being rewarded in the next life for their endeavours in this one.

Suicide is easily one of the most complex, contradictory and incomplete areas of human psychology, psychiatry, anthropology and science that is the least understood, because in spite of our best efforts - we still can not communicate with the dead.

Wanderer2010 · 22-03-2019 9:30pm

Absolutely not. A person who is in such a dark and sad state of mind is not going to be thinking of the cost of funerals, the pain they leave behind or any cause or effect. They are simply too sad or tormented to keep living and just want an end to the immediate torture. So not selfish at all. Anyone who calls it selfish clearly has no understanding of mental difficulties and I hope they don't ever find their partner or child dead somewhere after mental issues overwhelm them.

You never ever know whats going on in someones head, the mind is such a delicate and sensitive thing. Try to be nice to people when possible or at least don't judge them.

One eyed Jack · 22-03-2019 9:33pm

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Anyone who calls it selfish clearly has no understanding of mental difficulties and I hope they don't ever find their partner or child dead somewhere after mental issues overwhelm them.

Why would you even think to wish that on anyone regardless of their perspective?

You never ever know whats going on in someones head, the mind is such a delicate and sensitive thing. Try to be nice to people when possible or at least don't judge them.

Like you did...

Feisar · 22-03-2019 9:34pm

Aside from the whole sad depressed side of things do we owe our parents/family/friends our lives? As in if we don't want to be here and pack it in it's not selfish as our life is ours, we don't owe it to anyone to stick around.

Fifty grades of shay. · 22-03-2019 9:37pm

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Absolutely not. A person who is in such a dark and sad state of mind is not going to be thinking of the cost of funerals, the pain they leave behind or any cause or effect. They are simply too sad or tormented to keep living and just want an end to the immediate torture. So not selfish at all. Anyone who calls it selfish clearly has no understanding of mental difficulties and I hope they don't ever find their partner or child dead somewhere after mental issues overwhelm them.

You never ever know whats going on in someones head, the mind is such a delicate and sensitive thing. Try to be nice to people when possible or at least don't judge them.

What would be your opinion of Alan Hawe be?
I'll grant a lot of suicides are not selfish, but some must beg the question of whether they are or not. There are certain cases I would certainly call selfish, hideous and calculated to cause damage.
It's not an open and shut answer of yes or no, some are, some aren't imo.

Widdershins · 22-03-2019 9:39pm

It's true that it's not always caused by mental illness. That belief used to result in people being treated as disturbed feeble minded or weak willed, while their personal circumstances remained unaddressed. Not helpful .

I think everyone has a breaking point and you don't know how much they were already dealing with up to that .

I once had an impulse to walk out of an upper storey window . It wasn't a conscious thought or plan. I felt a physical jerk like my body was drawn in that direction , then I thought ''**** this, that would fix this problem'' and then snapped out of it. I wasn't mentally ill I'd just had enough of a powerless situation with another situation waiting to be dealt with (one that some people called an ''insurmountable task'' but I still did it)

I've been to a psychologist twice to make sure I'm not unwell and the last thing she said was ''don't worry . there's nothing wrong with you . You're doing a job that many couldn't do.''

Wanderer2010 · 22-03-2019 9:39pm

Fifty grades of shay. wrote: »

What would be your opinion of Alan Hawe be?
I'll grant a lot of suicides are not selfish, but some must beg the question of whether they are or not. There are certain cases I would certainly call selfish, hideous and calculated to cause damage.
It's not an open and shut answer of yes or no, some are, some aren't imo.

That's different, that was someone who didn't have the guts to face what he did to his family and who didn't want their freedom taken away. Theres a big difference between the people who kill themselves after a shooting spree or with radical thinking etc compared to someone who is in such mental agony that they cannot see any way out from their pain only by death. Its a very sad state of affairs and I always wish nothing but the best for such people, that they can find peace in the afterlife and their family can find strength.

22-03-2019 9:40pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

Those who go around moping and feeling sorry for themselves really ought to buck up for their own sake.

Yeah - cos that's what suicidal people are doing - just feeling sorry for themselves.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Why would you even think to wish that on anyone regardless of their perspective?

How is saying they hope it _never_ happens to them somehow wishing it on them?

givyjoe · 22-03-2019 9:41pm

Fifty grades of shay. wrote: »

What would be your opinion of Alan Hawe be?
I'll grant a lot of suicides are not selfish, but some must beg the question of whether they are or not. There are certain cases I would certainly call selfish, hideous and calculated to cause damage.
It's not an open and shut answer of yes or no, some are, some aren't imo.

Fair question, but he murdered his wife and children then committed suicide. Two completely different acts, killing himself not selfish (we don't know the enjough details for sure either way anyway) in my view but killing his wife and children goes way beyond selfish.

hgfj · 22-03-2019 9:42pm

Feisar wrote: »

Aside from the whole sad depressed side of things do we owe our parents/family/friends our lives? As in if we don't want to be here and pack it in it's not selfish as our life is ours, we don't owe it to anyone to stick around.

That's some bs. Anyone who has children owes it to them to stick around. You bring children into the world you should be there for them.

Fifty grades of shay. · 22-03-2019 9:46pm

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

That's different, that was someone who didn't have the guts to face what he did to his family and who didn't want their freedom taken away. Theres a big difference between the people who kill themselves after a shooting spree or with radical thinking etc compared to someone who is in such mental agony that they cannot see any way out from their pain only by death. Its a very sad state of affairs and I always wish nothing but the best for such people, that they can find peace in the afterlife and their family can find strength.

I'd wish nothing more for them either, I'm not being vindictive with my post.
But I know a couple that left families in dire straits because of financial problems.
If you kill yourself because you can't face the consequences of your actions and leave others behind to in a bind you you made then I think that is selfish.
I wouldn't agree all suicides are because of mental issues, but calculated events to end problems that just can't be faced up to.

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-03-2019 9:55pm

If they could come back and see the fallout for one minute I don't think many would do it

But it's that's terrible black void

Ariadne · 22-03-2019 9:59pm

I have Borderline Personality Disorder and I've had bouts of severe depression in my teens and in the last year. I tried to kill myself twice last year. Both times it was because I felt I was a burden on my partner, family and friends, a toxic presence who would only make their lives worse. I also couldn't handle the pain any longer but it was knowing they would be better off without me, I felt I was doing them a favour. I feel for anyone who has been in such a dark place because I know how it feels. It isn't selfish but I know how selfish I felt when I survived and realised what I'd put everyone through but it only made me feel like I wish I'd succeeded rather than prolong their misery. I'm not in such a dark place now, I still feel they'd be better off without me but I'm working on myself.

One eyed Jack · 22-03-2019 10:02pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How is saying they hope it _never_ happens to them somehow wishing it on them?

Context being important of course, the poster appeared to be suggesting that if someone who regards suicide as a selfish act were to experience the pain of losing their partner or child who was experiencing difficulties with their mental health, they wouldn’t then regard suicide as a selfish act -

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Anyone who calls it selfish clearly has no understanding of mental difficulties and I hope they don't ever find their partner or child dead somewhere after mental issues overwhelm them.

I’m absolutely certain the issue of suicide isn’t nearly so simplistic, but the expression of such sentiments above are a demonstration of how far some people will go to shame other people who don’t share their opinions, while telling everyone else not to judge people because nobody knows what goes on in another person’s head -

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

You never ever know whats going on in someones head, the mind is such a delicate and sensitive thing. Try to be nice to people when possible or at least don't judge them.

22-03-2019 10:04pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Context being important of course

Nope. The poster clearly said he hopes it never happens to them and you simply pretended he said the _exact_ opposite because that suited you better.

mzungu · 22-03-2019 10:05pm

Succubus_ wrote: »

I have Borderline Personality Disorder and I've had bouts of severe depression in my teens and in the last year. I tried to kill myself twice last year. Both times it was because I felt I was a burden on my partner, family and friends, a toxic presence who would only make their lives worse. I also couldn't handle the pain any longer but it was knowing they would be better off without me, I felt I was doing them a favour. I feel for anyone who has been in such a dark place because I know how it feels. It isn't selfish but I know how selfish I felt when I survived and realised what I'd put everyone through but it only made me feel like I wish I'd succeeded rather than prolong their misery. I'm not in such a dark place now, I still feel they'd be better off without me but I'm working on myself.

They would not. The world is a altogether better place when the likes of your good self are knocking around in it.

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-03-2019 10:05pm

Yes. I can understand why someone would in some cases but it's still selfish in all cases.

One eyed Jack · 22-03-2019 10:07pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nope. The poster clearly said he hopes it never happens to them and you simply pretended he said the _exact_ opposite because that suited you better.

Ok tax.

anawfulway · 22-03-2019 10:08pm

Registered (re-registered) when I saw this thread tbh. Id say it probably is a selfish decision to be fair. It's something that has been knawing at me lately. Not doing too well at all and just feel mentally destroyed and useless and worthless. I've a young daughter though and thats probably keeping me alive at the minute with the thought of what it would do to her and her mother.

The thoughts are insidious though and constant and the way things are, I dont see any meaningful future for myself so its a case of strughle on but the thoughts wont be going anywhere because the situation causing them isnt going to improve by the look of things.

So yeah I think its a selfish thing to do but I can still see and understand why someone would do it. By no means the easy way out either, but fcuk me this is just too much sometimes. You couldnt blame people for it.

Anyway I'll probably be deleted soon, just wanted to get my two cents in. Thanks.

Necro · 22-03-2019 10:12pm

Succubus_ wrote: »

I have Borderline Personality Disorder and I've had bouts of severe depression in my teens and in the last year. I tried to kill myself twice last year. Both times it was because I felt I was a burden on my partner, family and friends, a toxic presence who would only make their lives worse. I also couldn't handle the pain any longer but it was knowing they would be better off without me, I felt I was doing them a favour. I feel for anyone who has been in such a dark place because I know how it feels. It isn't selfish but I know how selfish I felt when I survived and realised what I'd put everyone through but it only made me feel like I wish I'd succeeded rather than prolong their misery. I'm not in such a dark place now, I still feel they'd be better off without me but I'm working on myself.

I'm both incredibly sorry and glad in equal measures to hear that, Succubus.

And that kind of ties into the point I was trying to make, if perhaps worded maybe a bit wrongly.

Being in that sort of place means rational, normal thought at the time certainly isn't your, or anyone in the same situation's priority.

I suppose what I was (admittedly awkwardly) trying to do was separate the act from the person committing it.

I feel the act itself is selfish, but I truly don't judge anyone who takes those measures as a selfish person, as I don't think it's fair in most cases.

Fifty grades of shay. · 22-03-2019 10:17pm

Succubus_ wrote: »

I have Borderline Personality Disorder and I've had bouts of severe depression in my teens and in the last year. I tried to kill myself twice last year. Both times it was because I felt I was a burden on my partner, family and friends, a toxic presence who would only make their lives worse. I also couldn't handle the pain any longer but it was knowing they would be better off without me, I felt I was doing them a favour. I feel for anyone who has been in such a dark place because I know how it feels. It isn't selfish but I know how selfish I felt when I survived and realised what I'd put everyone through but it only made me feel like I wish I'd succeeded rather than prolong their misery. I'm not in such a dark place now, I still feel they'd be better off without me but I'm working on myself.

That's a great post, thanks for sharing.
I would be far from saying all or even a large percentage of suicides are selfish, I certainly wouldn't be saying so about any one experiencing such as you have said.
If you thought I was having a go at such cases please accept my apology for that as that wasn't the intention of my posts.

Sorry about that · 22-03-2019 10:27pm

anawfulway wrote: »

Registered (re-registered) when I saw this thread tbh. Id say it probably is a selfish decision to be fair. It's something that has been knawing at me lately. Not doing too well at all and just feel mentally destroyed and useless and worthless. I've a young daughter though and thats probably keeping me alive at the minute with the thought of what it would do to her and her mother.

The thoughts are insidious though and constant and the way things are, I dont see any meaningful future for myself so its a case of strughle on but the thoughts wont be going anywhere because the situation causing them isnt going to improve by the look of things.

So yeah I think its a selfish thing to do but I can still see and understand why someone would do it. By no means the easy way out either, but fcuk me this is just too much sometimes. You couldnt blame people for it.

Anyway I'll probably be deleted soon, just wanted to get my two cents in. Thanks.

The words of an anonymous stranger may not help, but here goes anyway.
Please get help.

You wouldn't try to cope with a broken limb on your own, but you're carrying around a lot of mental pain that you can't fix yourself. Get the help asap, and good luck.

You're not useless or worthless, you deserve love and happiness. Please get to your GP or call someone who can help (numbers a few pages back).

SoundsRight · 22-03-2019 10:39pm

It's the very definition of selfishness, in that you are only taking into consideration your own feelings. The pain and hurt they leave behind is a thousand times worse than whatever misery they were experiencing.

anawfulway · 22-03-2019 10:41pm

Sorry about that wrote: »

The words of an anonymous stranger may not help, but here goes anyway.
Please get help.

You wouldn't try to cope with a broken limb on your own, but you're carrying around a lot of mental pain that you can't fix yourself. Get the help asap, and good luck.

You're not useless or worthless, you deserve love and happiness. Please get to your GP or call someone who can help (numbers a few pages back).

Thanks. I've a bit of a weird question in relation to help services: I hate trying to talk to people in person about feelings, I just cant do it, even over the phone I'd block up and it would end up being no use to me. Couldnt even talk to my partner about it, I'd never get out what I wanted to say. Is there any of them that offer a purely text based/email service?

hgfj · 22-03-2019 10:45pm

My wife committed suicide 12 years ago. Left behind three kids, 6, 9, and 14 years old at the time. The 6 year old only barely remembers her now. She had spent the previous 5 years in and out of psychiatric hospital, sometimes for months at a time. She was diagnosed as suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder. 12 years on and I still haven't gotten over it. None of us have really. Was she selfish to do what she did? I don't know. She wasn't in her right mind. One of the effects of her illness was that she spoke many times about wanting to take the children with her. Her perception of life was so distorted that she couldn't see any hope whatsoever. Not even for the children. Her experiance of life made her believe life held nothing but pain and she dreaded the thought of the kids suffering like she did.

She was sexually abused by her own mother when she was eleven or twelve, she was raped by a garda sergant when she was 14, she made a suicide attempt when she was seventeen and ended up being sent to a rehab for 18 months, her father died just 6 months or so after entering the rehab and she wasn't allowed to attend the funeral. She was betrayed by all. The institution of family, Garda, and hospital services. I could write a ****ing book about all the **** that happened in her life.

So was her act selfish? She took herself out of the picture and left the rest of us to carry on. I have a lot of mixed feelings about it. Sometimes anger, other times a sense of despair. But I absolutely understand why.

In my case i disagree that the pain she left behind is worse than what she was experiancing herself. Her mind was hell.

Mad_maxx · 22-03-2019 11:14pm

OSI wrote: »

The only people being selfish in such a situation, are the one's suggesting it is selfish.

Even more tedious are those who label it "cowardly"

It's supremely brave, taking a conscious step into the complete unknown

Mad_maxx · 22-03-2019 11:15pm

mzungu wrote: »

No. Suicide is usually the culmination of years of mental anguish.

The only exceptions would be cases like Alan Hawe. He committed suicide to escape the consequences of his actions. Hence, his suicide was a selfish act.

Killing himself was the one good thing he did, pity he didn't kill himself before committing the multiple murders

Mad_maxx · 22-03-2019 11:19pm

SoundsRight wrote: »

It's the very definition of selfishness, in that you are only taking into consideration your own feelings. The pain and hurt they leave behind is a thousand times worse than whatever misery they were experiencing.

How the hell do you know

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-03-2019 11:25pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

How the hell do you know

How the hell do you?

The question was asking people what they think, not why they think the same as you do.

Teapot22 · 22-03-2019 11:52pm

anawfulway wrote: »

Thanks. I've a bit of a weird question in relation to help services: I hate trying to talk to people in person about feelings, I just cant do it, even over the phone I'd block up and it would end up being no use to me. Couldnt even talk to my partner about it, I'd never get out what I wanted to say. Is there any of them that offer a purely text based/email service?

The Samaritans have a text and email service available. The contact stuff is on their website. I just checked. I hope you are ok.

Richard Hillman · 23-03-2019 12:02am

Depends what you are leaving behind. If you live your life, not happy with the direction it took and have few loved ones, then it is your life to take. If you have people who rely on you, then it's poor form. Especially if your pension becomes null and void if your life is taken by suicide.

If you are diagnosed with a terminal disease and you want to go out on your own terms, then again its your life to take. However, if there is an insurance settlement and you have responsibilities then youre gonna have to be creative.

Personally, I have no responsibilities, no pension, am not close to my family and I would ensure that I have cash to fund my burial, should I ever decide to call it a day.

Pissartist · 23-03-2019 12:07am

Very disturbed and saddened by some replies here, Ireland really needs to wake up to depression.

Would you consider suicide selfish?

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