Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

road_high · 21-03-2019 10:09PM

theguzman wrote: »

I just think Ireland will get badly effected in all this and Leo Varadkar should be showing Solidarity with the Brexiteer position and not with the EU. The same EU who forced Ireland to nationalised billions of Euro in private German debt and turn it into Irish Sovereign debt, the UK instead of pummelling the Irish immediately came to our aide with over £8bn in loads and emergency assistance. The EU is no friend to Ireland and has benefited enormously from the plunder of our national fisheries.

My caps lock is fine I think??

Ah right so you have an axe to grind with the EU- got it!

Hurrache · 21-03-2019 10:09PM

theguzman wrote: »

the UK instead of pummelling the Irish immediately came to our aide with over £8bn in loads and emergency assistance.

Erm, there's something you should know.....

RickBlaine · 21-03-2019 10:09PM

I would imagine the EU leaders are acting under the assumption that it is very likely May won't be PM for much longer.

UsedToWait · 21-03-2019 10:09PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Not the first person to put this forward as the reason for the meeting running over.
[url]
https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1108830556178079750?s=19[/url]

EU official says that when leaders asked May what she was going to do if her deal was voted down, she would only reply that she was following her 'Plan A' of getting it through. It was then they decided 'she didn't have a plan so they needed to come up with one for her'.

That's Faisal Islam's analysis of the situation on Sky just now also.

bilston · 21-03-2019 10:10PM

1,552,836 and counting

21-03-2019 10:11PM

We still have to consider where the customs border is actually going to be placed in the event of a no deal,
1 in the Irish sea
2 across the north of Ireland
3 South of the British isles.

I wouldn't discount any of these options.

prawnsambo · 21-03-2019 10:11PM

devnull wrote: »

Don't know if anyone has seen it, but Daniel Hannan's article for the Telegraph is probably the most desperate work of fiction about our country in relation to Brexit yet as he tries to rewrite history to suit his agenda.

He goes on to talk about how Bertie Ahern was forced out because of his conduct in relation to the Lisbon Treaty referendum and that Brian Cowen also carried this on which led to the destruction of both former Taoisigh and the Fianna Fail who lost their first election since 1932.

Naturally, Bertie's dodgy dealings, the IMF, the property developers, Anglo Irish Bank, Cowen's limitations and all of the serious issues are ignored, because facts won't make a good Brexit argument. Instead the misguided fabricated misinformation theory is presented as an argument for Brexit.

Sadly the Brexiteers and many people seem to actually believe that crap.

You're a bit late to the party. He actually trended on Twitter because of it under the hashtag #HannanIrishHistory

. People tweeting things like the ambulance siren was invented in Nenagh and other witticisms. It got to the news reports it was so viral.

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-03-2019 10:12PM

Fairly generous: UK To Leave EU With 'No Brexit Deal' Before 1st April 2019 : Odds: 3/1

Hurrache · 21-03-2019 10:12PM

UsedToWait wrote: »

That's Faisal Islam's analysis of the situation on Sky just now also.

And yet Laura Kuenssberg at the BBC saying they're keeping with the EU tradition of taking a long time to make a decision about something.

Hurrache · 21-03-2019 10:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We still have to consider where the customs border is actually going to be placed in the event of a no deal,
1 in the Irish sea
2 across the north of Ireland
3 South of the British isles.

I wouldn't discount any of these options.

There is no choice.

prawnsambo · 21-03-2019 10:14PM

theguzman wrote: »

I just think Ireland will get badly effected in all this and Leo Varadkar should be showing Solidarity with the Brexiteer position and not with the EU. The same EU who forced Ireland to nationalised billions of Euro in private German debt and turn it into Irish Sovereign debt, the UK instead of pummelling the Irish immediately came to our aide with over £8bn in loads and emergency assistance. The EU is no friend to Ireland and has benefited enormously from the plunder of our national fisheries.

My caps lock is fine I think??

No point trying your schtick on me. I've seen it before. You're capitalisng random words for no reason. Like solidarity above.

devnull · 21-03-2019 10:15PM

Hurrache wrote: »

And yet Laura Kuenssberg at the BBC saying they're keeping with the EU tradition of taking a long time to make a decision about something.

If you've learnt anything over the last few months, you'd have learnt that the BBC essentially has become state TV sucking up to the government line and TM and is incapable of reporting properly on Brexit.

Also, it's a bit ironic that she thinks the EU are taking a long time to make a decision when they are doing it over the course of a day, when the UK has spent 1000 of them to get pretty much nowhere.

Hurrache · 21-03-2019 10:16PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

You're a bit late to the party. He actually trended on Twitter because of it under the hashtag #HannanIrishHistory . People tweeting things like the ambulance siren was invented in Nenagh and other witticisms. It got to the news reports it was so viral.

This was my favorite
https://twitter.com/FCTwenteBenson/status/1108105537227509760?s=19

prawnsambo · 21-03-2019 10:17PM

Hurrache wrote: »

And yet Laura Kuenssberg at the BBC saying they're keeping with the EU tradition of taking a long time to make a decision about something.

The same Laura that has in her Twitter profile that tweet length is 240 characters. That Laura?

LuckyLloyd · 21-03-2019 10:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We still have to consider where the customs border is actually going to be placed in the event of a no deal,
1 in the Irish sea
2 across the north of Ireland
3 South of the British isles.

I wouldn't discount any of these options.

I and the vast majority of the electorate of the Republic would discount option 3.

Hurrache · 21-03-2019 10:18PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

The same Laura that has in her Twitter profile that tweet length is 240 characters. That Laura?

The one and only.

marno21 · 21-03-2019 10:21PM

theguzman wrote: »

I just think Ireland will get badly effected in all this and Leo Varadkar should be showing Solidarity with the Brexiteer position and not with the EU. The same EU who forced Ireland to nationalised billions of Euro in private German debt and turn it into Irish Sovereign debt, the UK instead of pummelling the Irish immediately came to our aide with over £8bn in loads and emergency assistance. The EU is no friend to Ireland and has benefited enormously from the plunder of our national fisheries.

My caps lock is fine I think??

Yes. It seems very clear and logical that Macron, who is trying his best to quell French Euroscepticism, would promote shafting a fellow EU country in order to throw a bone to a country that's leaving who are making little effort to help anyone, including themselves.

This stuff is getting beyond tiring.

road_high · 21-03-2019 10:21PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I and the vast majority of the electorate of the Republic would discount option 3.

Would be madness- to cut ourselves off from our largest marketplace and Union we are an integral part of.

biggebruv · 21-03-2019 10:23PM

https://www.joe.ie/news/ireland-losses-brexit-662740

Is this a scare mongering article or is this potentially gonna happen? I can’t keep up with this stufff it’s gone on so long now lol

Junkyard Tom · 21-03-2019 10:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't discount any of these options.

The border problems here will be dwarfed by those on either side of the English Channel.

prawnsambo · 21-03-2019 10:27PM

Peston has some ideas on what's being planned. Not good for TM if true.

An Ciarraioch · 21-03-2019 10:28PM

Groan - Politico claim we're back to the start, but with the April 11th European election deadline thrown in:

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-summit-live-blog-march-2019/

Inquitus · 21-03-2019 10:30PM

biggebruv wrote: »

https://www.joe.ie/news/ireland-losses-brexit-662740

Is this a scare mongering article or is this potentially gonna happen? I can’t keep up with this stufff it’s gone on so long now lol

I don't think anyone can predict the impacts, we have shifted trade away from the UK in significant amounts since the Brexit vote, and no doubt will continue to accelerate this in the event of no deal. We also stand to pick up investment and jobs as the only remaining Engish speaking country in the EU. We will lose some, we will win some, and trying to quantify it is impossible. That said, it is definitely a negative development and in the short term it will impact us. When you compare to how much the recession cost each of us however, it will be small beans.

It's also worth noting it is still all up in the air and anything could happen.

jimwallace197 · 21-03-2019 10:30PM

biggebruv wrote: »

https://www.joe.ie/news/ireland-losses-brexit-662740

Is this a scare mongering article or is this potentially gonna happen? I can’t keep up with this stufff it’s gone on so long now lol

726 euros a year, 61 euros a month, I don’t think a lot of Irish people will be losing sleep over that

Headshot · 21-03-2019 10:30PM

This is brilliant tv but it really pisses me off in one way that brexit is tying up vital discussions on other topics in Europe.

The EU has to bloody fix UK's mess

gimli2112 · 21-03-2019 10:32PM

devnull wrote: »

If you've learnt anything over the last few months, you'd have learnt that the BBC essentially has become state TV sucking up to the government line and TM and is incapable of reporting properly on Brexit.

Also, it's a bit ironic that she thinks the EU are taking a long time to make a decision when they are doing it over the course of a day, when the UK has spent 1000 of them to get pretty much nowhere.

one of them said earlier something like you only have to look at how the EU won't negotiate on the withdrawal agreement, the UK can only do so much

road_high · 21-03-2019 10:32PM

It’s an opportunity to orientate our economy more away from the unstable Uk. The sterling volatility has been a problem long before brexit in any case

Inquitus · 21-03-2019 10:33PM

This seems a decent conclusion if true. Keep the boot on their neck, but offer a way out for the HoC if the WA is rejected.

https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1108840552722849793

bilston · 21-03-2019 10:34PM

Seems like the extension to the 22nd May will, as expected be dependent on May getting her deal through

Failing that an extension until 12th April to give the UK to propose a way forward.

Seems a sensible and grown up approach from the EU who seemingly are doing May's job for her.

So no crash out next Friday anyway.

LuckyLloyd · 21-03-2019 10:36PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Peston has some ideas on what's being planned. Not good for TM if true.

Please please please please be this

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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