Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

An Ciarraioch · 21-03-2019 08:47PM

Appears the Taoiseach has helped persuade EU leaders to make the extension unconditional, rather than linking it directly to MV3:

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-summit-live-blog-march-2019/

ShooterSF · 21-03-2019 08:52PM

Water John wrote: »

The thinking in the room seems to revolve around their view that Mv3 hasn't a hope, esp after TMs outburst last night.
So they are no longer helping her with her vote next week, and are discussing a longer ext which TM didn't ask for. Her stalling them for 90 mins didn't also help.

I can't see how the EU will refuse a short extension without her deal passing but are happy to offer a longer one she doesn't want or has any plans for. I expect that absurdity from their side not ours.

jasper100 · 21-03-2019 08:52PM

Sounds like the can is being kicked down the road, again, indefinately.

So, mv3 expected to fail, TM will surely resign, possibly a GE after that and the whole circus starts again.

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2019 08:53PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Appears the Taoiseach has helped persuade EU leaders to make the extension unconditional, rather than linking it directly to MV3:

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-summit-live-blog-march-2019/

Macron's proposal according to C4. Thanks Leo for helping in prolonging this!

Water John · 21-03-2019 08:56PM

They will offer her what suits them not what TM thinks she wants. They simply don't respect her. None of them would run their own Govn't in the way she has ran hers. They would have built a coalitions both in Govn't and on this issue. Seek out alliances and common interest.

Ha, that might be one way to get her attention, letting her hungry, not invited to dinner by the 27.

Inquitus · 21-03-2019 09:03PM

Guess which paper

https://twitter.com/Barnes_Joe/status/1108813095747702784

Hurrache · 21-03-2019 09:07PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Guess which paper

https://twitter.com/Barnes_Joe/status/1108813095747702784

Ha, disharmony over how many coals to drag the UK through is not exactly a good thing for them.

lawred2 · 21-03-2019 09:13PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Guess which paper

https://twitter.com/Barnes_Joe/status/1108813095747702784

Not sure if this lad is sarcastic or not

https://twitter.com/NikkoSimmo/status/1108819684655276032?s=19

An Ciarraioch · 21-03-2019 09:16PM

For a diplomatic dinner, the starter and main course wouldn't exactly have someone licking their lips:

http://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1108821605952749568

Capt'n Midnight · 21-03-2019 09:22PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Bloomberg is reporting on a potential 9 month delay. How would that pan out in terms of the elections?

October is when the new commission is elected. So the EU rightly don't want the UK faffing about all through that and then leaving just before Christmas. So a long extension beyond the elections may be an alternative, long enough to provide stability.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/elections-press-kit/0/key-dates-ahead

Like I said before the UK tax year ends in April but for foreign owned businesses the parent company tax year matches the calendar year. Good luck getting a bigger budget approved by head office then.

Itssoeasy · 21-03-2019 09:22PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

To be fair, he was partially right - comes up when the Third Home Rule Bill is mentioned as to why it wasn't blocked.

Yeah probably why it stuck in my head about home rule and the House of Lords(or house of Peers as it's also known as) and I was out on the date. I said 1908 when it was 1911.

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-03-2019 09:28PM

The tabloids report 3,500 troops have been made available (by the head honchos hiding out in a nuc shelter, hundreds of feet below ground),
- all for use at 24hr notice from Monday (operation redfold), in the event of heading towards Friday with non-deal.

Let's hope they'll all got (unrestricted) 50cc mopeds with box on the back to distrute batch loafs and pints of milk up and down the M6, to 27.2m households.

Capt'n Midnight · 21-03-2019 09:30PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Guess which paper

https://twitter.com/Barnes_Joe/status/1108813095747702784

Is this in the context that other than having the WA signed this week,
any interaction with the EU after 29th will require all 27 to agree ?

banie01 · 21-03-2019 09:36PM

UK are in an incredibly weak position IMO.
The goodwill of the EU is vital to allow them an extension...
And tbh the actions of the UK media, brexiteers and TM's inability to take a hard position on anything has hugely eroded that goodwill.

The extension was signalled clearly by the EU as not being possible beyond May 22nd...
UK ignores that in the hope that the technicality of the EU parliament not sit sitting until July 1st would allow it.

Expert attempt at can kicking again by the UK!

Negotiating IMO has to be on the basis of good faith, the UK have repeatedly shown that they lack that.

My own opinion of Brexiteers and Brexit in general is that the electorate was sold a pup.
Promises were made that are impossible to keep.
An actual path out for the UK, that isn't likely a possibility with May as PM would be to go back to the people with a choice of TM's deal, No deal or remain.
Now that the consequence of each is a much more known quantity it will allow an informed plebiscite.

PokeHerKing · 21-03-2019 09:39PM

I really hope the earlier reporting of 22 of May on condition of WA being accepted is what the EU go with.

Anything else looks weak imo and will only embolden the current mix of inaction and rhetoric from UK MPs

marno21 · 21-03-2019 09:39PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

For a diplomatic dinner, the starter and main course wouldn't exactly have someone licking their lips:

http://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1108821605952749568

Green and orange.

Is the menu painted on tricolour paper too?

theguzman · 21-03-2019 09:40PM

It is playing out perfectly, the Conservatives have done what they always intended, they have allowed the EU to back them into a corner and can now blame the EU for a hard Brexit and the small amount of short term pain it will cause. I just hope Salvini and the Visegrad group rides to the Rescue and veteos any extension. A hard Brexit will be a great day for Europe and it will show the EU that they will be defeated and national Sovereignty is far more important than German rule.

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2019 09:40PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

I really hope the earlier reporting of 22 of May on condition of WA being accepted is what the EU go with.

Anything else looks weak imo and will only embolden the current mix of inaction and rhetoric from UK MPs

The more the EU give the more of a mess they get into tbh.

Water John · 21-03-2019 09:41PM

The one thing we do know is that the EU will this evening come to a common decision. amazing considering it's 27 different national interests.
Maybe the UK should look at how it's done.

Amalgam · 21-03-2019 09:48PM

Anyone get the feeling that certain political groups in the UK would love to be 'seen' to be 'kicked out' by the EU at the very last moment?

I loathe to think of the years and years of dregs journalism various media outlets will get out of spinning a ficticious and dangerous narrative out of something like this.

MrMusician18 · 21-03-2019 09:48PM

theguzman wrote: »

It is playing out perfectly, the Conservatives have done what they always intended, they have allowed the EU to back them into a corner and can now blame the EU for a hard Brexit and the small amount of short term pain it will cause. I just hope Salvini and the Visegrad group rides to the Rescue and veteos any extension. A hard Brexit will be a great day for Europe and it will show the EU that they will be defeated and national Sovereignty is far more important than German rule.

Ah, you're back

Can you define exactly what short term pain is?

Strangely enough, there been very little blaming of the EU over the past few weeks in the UK media, or from UK politicians. Notably May laid into MPs and not the EU last night for trying to frustrate the process.

Inquitus · 21-03-2019 09:48PM

theguzman wrote: »

It is playing out perfectly, the Conservatives have done what they always intended, they have allowed the EU to back them into a corner and can now blame the EU for a hard Brexit and the small amount of short term pain it will cause. I just hope Salvini and the Visegrad group rides to the Rescue and veteos any extension. A hard Brexit will be a great day for Europe and it will show the EU that they will be defeated and national Sovereignty is far more important than German rule.

Yep its been a masterclass of negotiation from Theresa May and her cabinet, not sure I can think of a single thing they could have done better! It's a week and a day before the 29th March and everything is under control, no need to go to Brussels and beg for an extension or anything.

Don't dump memes please.

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theguzman · 21-03-2019 09:53PM

I can Guarantee that the EU will find time to screw us over in the whole thing, Leo will take it and present it to the people as some sort of Victory like the beta-grade leader he is.

prawnsambo · 21-03-2019 09:57PM

theguzman wrote: »

I can Guarantee that the EU will find time to screw us over in the whole thing, Leo will take it and present it to the people as some sort of Victory like the beta-grade leader he is.

You've been peddling this line for ever. Must be getting a bit frustrating for you.

By the way, is there a random caps lock function on your device?

bilston · 21-03-2019 09:59PM

I get the impression May is finished. She has seemingly lost the support of her chief whip now.

If and when she loses the vote next week (it she even gets a vote) then I think she will have to go.

I suppose we have to wait and see what the EU have to say tonight, but the suspicion is that an unconditional extensionsion would be there to give time for a new PM to get their s*** together. God knows who that would be though.

prawnsambo · 21-03-2019 10:03PM

bilston wrote: »

I get the impression May is finished. She has seemingly lost the support of her chief whip now.

If and when she loses the vote next week (it she even gets a vote) then I think she will have to go.

I suppose we have to wait and see what the EU have to say tonight, but the suspicion is that an unconditional extensionsion would be there to give time for a new PM to get their s*** together. God knows who that would be though.

It's quite extraordinary how the political system has disintegrated so quickly. It's funny that every time I see Dominic Raab's grinning face, I'm reminded of Rik Mayall in the original House of Cards. And how that title fits so well now. I really must watch that again.

BluePlanet · 21-03-2019 10:04PM

bilston wrote: »

I get the impression May is finished. She has seemingly lost the support of her chief whip now.

If and when she loses the vote next week (it she even gets a vote) then I think she will have to go.

I suppose we have to wait and see what the EU have to say tonight, but the suspicion is that an unconditional extensionsion would be there to give time for a new PM to get their s*** together. God knows who that would be though.

For the EU i think it's important that the UK are out before May 23rd.
It would be wrong for the UK to take up seats in a new session when they are exiting.

Insofar as May's tenure, i think she will stay. She's been very useful to pin the blame on and i doubt there are many Tories that will come to the front to take that kick.

devnull · 21-03-2019 10:04PM

Don't know if anyone has seen it, but Daniel Hannan's article for the Telegraph is probably the most desperate work of fiction about our country in relation to Brexit yet as he tries to rewrite history to suit his agenda.

He goes on to talk about how Bertie Ahern was forced out because of his conduct in relation to the Lisbon Treaty referendum and that Brian Cowen also carried this on which led to the destruction of both former Taoisigh and the Fianna Fail who lost their first election since 1932.

Naturally, Bertie's dodgy dealings, the IMF, the property developers, Anglo Irish Bank, Cowen's limitations and all of the serious issues are ignored, because facts won't make a good Brexit argument. Instead the misguided fabricated misinformation theory is presented as an argument for Brexit.

Sadly the Brexiteers and many people seem to actually believe that crap.

Hurrache · 21-03-2019 10:06PM

Not the first person to put this forward as the reason for the meeting running over.
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theguzman · 21-03-2019 10:07PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

You've been peddling this line for ever. Must be getting a bit frustrating for you.

By the way, is there a random caps lock function on your device?

I just think Ireland will get badly effected in all this and Leo Varadkar should be showing Solidarity with the Brexiteer position and not with the EU. The same EU who forced Ireland to nationalised billions of Euro in private German debt and turn it into Irish Sovereign debt, the UK instead of pummelling the Irish immediately came to our aide with over £8bn in loads and emergency assistance. The EU is no friend to Ireland and has benefited enormously from the plunder of our national fisheries.

My caps lock is fine I think??

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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