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Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #1982
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Wasn't no deal meant to be better than a bad deal?

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1108782228375568384?s=19


  • #1983
    Blowfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭Blowfish


    jasper100 wrote: »
    The extension is only if a deal is passes parliament next week, so there would be no option to revoke A50 (I think)
    Don't forget that the WA still has to go to the HoL, so still runs a risk of being shot down prior to being signed in fully.


  • #1984
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    It seems they want enough time for the UK to put election plans in place if May falls, and rightly so, May 22nd just delays the cliff edge, much like June 30th does.

    https://twitter.com/aqbyrne/status/1108803821818531844


  • #1985
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Could we see the reality of no deal tonight? Each tweet I see from European journos keeps suggesting shorter and shorter extensions. We're now down to 11 April.

    Surely that's not enough time to get all the law through the commons? I wonder do the leaders want to precipitate a real crisis to focus minds while there's still time?


  • #1986
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Bloomberg is reporting on a potential 9 month delay. How would that pan out in terms of the elections?


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  • #1987
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,483 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Bloomberg is reporting on a potential 9 month delay. How would that Labour in terms of the elections?

    We'd have to contest them. 22 May is the limit.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1988
    badtoro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭badtoro


    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    Is Tony going to follow up his bombshell tweet or is he just leaving it hanging there for the craic?!

    I heard April 11th mentioned on the radio


  • #1989
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,265 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Blowfish wrote: »
    Don't forget that the WA still has to go to the HoL, so still runs a risk of being shot down prior to being signed in fully.

    The House of Lords can't shoot down a bill in parliament anymore. They can delay it but not stop it. They had their cough severely softened over a century ago.


  • #1990
    jasper100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭jasper100


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    We'd have to contest them. 22 May is the limit.

    Contesting the European elections is surely a minor issue. The UK would be voting lame duck MEPS but so what? 5 years on the gravy train for whoever gets it. A non issue in the grand scheme of things?


  • #1991
    Blowfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭Blowfish


    jasper100 wrote: »
    Contesting the European elections is surely a minor issue. The UK would be voting lame duck MEPS but so what? 5 years on the gravy train for whoever gets it. A non issue in the grand scheme of things?
    It's not a non issue when some of the seats have already been allocated to other countries, Ireland is gaining 2.


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  • #1992
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Here's Tony with the news...

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1108806051946790917?s=19


  • #1993
    jasper100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭jasper100


    Blowfish wrote: »
    It's not a non issue when some of the seats have already been allocated to other countries, Ireland is gaining 2.

    Yes but that can wait until 5 years time. If the UK revoke article 50 next week our number of seats stays the same.

    In the grand scheme of things, contesting the EU elections, or not, is way down the list here.


  • #1994
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,398 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Another evening of madness.

    It was quite funny the anchor on Sky News opening by saying that for once May gets her "accoutrements" I'm sure she said, only to then run with the new dates upon the ending of the summary as to what's coming up on the show.


  • #1995
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    We really have to wait as what we are getting are different POV at the meeting. May be two options, very short for her to pass HOC next week. Since the EU leaders don't believe she will succeed they may be already stitching in a long ext option.
    Why would they come back especially for the UK next week?


  • #1996
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Given how the lords has been acting the last 3 years which has been one of somewhat of a brake on the madness of the HOC the lord's will be all over any revocation or deal vote. No doubt about it.
    Thanks to the Parliament Act the Lords can only delay stuff.

    And the Salisbury Convention means they can't really do that either without breaking a recent tradition.


  • #1997
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,398 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Hurrache wrote: »
    They've been getting quite snarky about hearing UK related news via Irish officials and media outlets.

    Ha ha, now Channel 4 news mentioning what they've been hearing from the Irish Times.


  • #1998
    RickBlaine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    Press conference will probably be delayed a while


  • #1999
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Ha ha, now Channel 4 news mentioning what they've been hearing from the Irish Times.

    Reminds me of our own crisis during the bailout when we needed foreign media for the truth.

    This is slightly different now if course - just like the UK government, the UK media are outsiders now in the EU.


  • #2000
    Capt'n Midnight
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    jasper100 wrote: »
    Contesting the European elections is surely a minor issue. The UK would be voting lame duck MEPS but so what? 5 years on the gravy train for whoever gets it. A non issue in the grand scheme of things?
    The Tories don't want to run that election campaign.


  • #2001
    ASOT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Could be May 7th

    https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1108808182816821249?s=09


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  • #2002
    jasper100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭jasper100


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    The Tories don't want to run that election campaign.

    Good for them. Its still a minor issue in the grand scheme of things at the moment though.


  • #2003
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    This makes some sense:

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1108809672373489665


  • #2004
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    jasper100 wrote: »
    Good for them. Its still a minor issue in the grand scheme of things at the moment though.

    It's not minor really. The UK votes were to be shared out and elections run off for them.

    The UK taking part in these elections when those candidates will be relinquishing those seats only a few weeks later adds another farce to the already gigantic list of Brexit related farces.


  • #2005
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,265 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Thanks to the Parliament Act the Lords can only delay stuff.

    And the Salisbury Convention means they can't really do that either without breaking a recent tradition.

    Was that act passed because of home rule back in the day ? Or am I getting that wrong ? I've 1908 in my head for when their powers were curtailed.


  • #2006
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,398 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    I'm picturing everyone in the press box trying to cog off Tony and Tony is there elbows up and wide with his tweet machine inside his suit jacket.


  • #2007
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Was that act passed because of home rule back in the day ? Or am I getting that wrong ? I've 1908 in my head for when their powers were curtailed.

    Not quite - Lloyd George was Chancellor, and his "People's Budget", which introduced old age pensions, was blocked by the Lords, so he threatened to create hundreds of peers if they didn't accept the act limiting their powers.


  • #2008
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Was that act passed because of home rule back in the day ? Or am I getting that wrong ? I've 1908 in my head for when their powers were curtailed.

    Not quite - Lloyd George was Chancellor, and his "People's Budget", which introduced old age pensions, was blocked by the Lords, so he threatened to create hundreds of peers if they didn't accept the act limiting their powers.
    Did you just know that off the top of your head, no sneaky googling?
    Impressive knowledge there.


  • #2009
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The thinking in the room seems to revolve around their view that Mv3 hasn't a hope, esp after TMs outburst last night.
    So they are no longer helping her with her vote next week, and are discussing a longer ext which TM didn't ask for. Her stalling them for 90 mins didn't also help.


  • #2010
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    joe40 wrote: »
    Did you just know that off the top of your head, no sneaky googling?
    Impressive knowledge there.

    To be fair, he was partially right - comes up when the Third Home Rule Bill is mentioned as to why it wasn't blocked.


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  • #2011
    UsedToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭UsedToWait


    joe40 wrote: »
    Did you just know that off the top of your head, no sneaky googling?
    Impressive knowledge there.

    I never cease to be amazed with the level of knowledge and the ability to contextualise and explain the issues shown by many of the regulars on this thread.

    Some, if not already, should be journalists (if that were a worthwhile occupation these days)
    ..(Perigrinus, ancapailldorcha and many more)..


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