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  • #3812
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Well just to say.... if the parents were checking all the kids in different apartments every twenty minutes or so, that was some amount of keys each checker needed. Can you imagine the amount of fumbling going on!

    But I don't believe there were any regular checks anyway. No proof is there?

    I am sure someone will revert to me and say BUT, BUT, and I await the response.

    I doubt there was any checking apart from the last one TBH. But we are all just speculating since there is no proof of anything.

    Did all parents apart from Mcs have baby monitors? And if so why did anyone other than the Mc parents check on all kids.

    I am totally sceptical about the checks TBH, leaving aside the fact that each checker would have looked like a jailer with all those keys!


  • #3813
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    dark crystal wrote:
    This is the last time I'll point out the obvious - Gerry McCann was at the Ocean Club at 10pm, as witnessed by various independent witnesses. The Smith sighting was at 10pm. Can you see the problem there?


    I already addressed this suggestion that everyone on holiday kept a time log. Smith said around 10 pm he was not precise. No problem whatsoever.


  • #3814
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Well just to say.... if the parents were checking all the kids in different apartments every twenty minutes or so, that was some amount of keys each checker needed. Can you imagine the amount of fumbling going on!

    But I don't believe there were any regular checks anyway. No proof is there?

    I am sure someone will revert to me and say BUT, BUT, and I await the response.

    I doubt there was any checking apart from the last one TBH. But we are all just speculating since there is no proof of anything.

    Did all parents apart from Mcs have baby monitors? And if so why did anyone other than the Mc parents check on all kids.

    I am totally sceptical about the checks TBH, leaving aside the fact that each checker would have looked like a jailer with all those keys!


    Who needs keys probably all left the doors open like the McCanns


    Sure it was like eating and drinking in your back garden :D


  • #3815
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I already addressed this suggestion that everyone on holiday kept a time log. Smith said around 10 pm he was not precise. No problem whatsoever.


    Smith and all the rest of his family say they left Kelly's Bar between 21.55 and 22.00 as they were leaving early the next day. Not just Martin Smith, the rest of his party give the same time in separate statements.


  • #3816
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,167 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    You couldn't make it up.

    The dogs gave positive indications of death in three different cases and yet there was no corroborating real evidence found in any of the three cases, and yet some people still insist the dogs are infallible. 100% failure rate and yet they are infallible - yes, you couldn't make it up.


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  • #3817
    SteM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭SteM


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I already addressed this suggestion that everyone on holiday kept a time log. Smith said around 10 pm he was not precise. No problem whatsoever.

    He actually said around 21:55 when they left the bar which is pretty precise. 22:00 would have been an easy time to use so why did he feel the need to say 21:55 unless he was pretty certain about the time?


  • #3818
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The dogs gave positive indications of death in three different cases and yet there was no corroborating real evidence found in any of the three cases, and yet some people still insist the dogs are infallible. 100% failure rate and yet they are infallible - yes, you couldn't make it up.


    What has that got to do with the dog trainer deliberately trying to frame the McCanns?


  • #3819
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,167 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    TallGlass wrote: »
    If Maddie was abducted, why did they take her and not the twins or why not all three?

    Another thought after another episode was, did the police rule out all the hotel staff/people who interacted with the kids? What if the kids where drugged, prior to been released to the parents. In saying that it occurred to me that at least one of the parents would have been concerned.

    One person - one pair of arms?


  • #3820
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,042 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    The Kenedy fella and his son are jokers , Also his son looks rough as fu×k
    The two of them thought they where James Bond amd getting rinsed of there money by the private investagtor , hes so good he lets the son tag along, give over you jokers

    The dad got rid of the eejit young fella to Morocco for a few days though


  • #3821
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cnocbui wrote:
    The dogs gave positive indications of death in three different cases and yet there was no corroborating real evidence found in any of the three cases, and yet some people still insist the dogs are infallible. 100% failure rate and yet they are infallible - yes, you couldn't make it up.


    What three cases are you referring, the first I assume is the McCann and has been dealt with several times here can you list the other two please.


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  • #3822
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What three cases are you referring, the first I assume is the McCann and has been dealt with several times here can you list the other two please.


    How did they fail in the McCann's? or any other?


    If they alert and nothing is found doesn't mean they're wrong


    Didn't he have 200 previous successful cases?


  • #3823
    Plumbthedepths
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    SteM wrote:
    He actually said around 21:55 when they left the bar which is pretty precise. 22:00 would have been an easy time to use so why did he feel the need to say 21:55 unless he was pretty certain about the time?


    The last article I read about Smith and the sighting still uses the word 'around'. The article is from a few weeks ago.


  • #3824
    cgcsb
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    Easier to carry one child than three would be the simplest answer.

    Carrying one child out through the window while not leaving any signs of intrusion through a window that could only open from the inside and down a ladder to street level while simultaneously leaving the palm print of the child's mother on the glass but not marking the handle and tucling the curtains back in behind the bed while not waking the twins then making off into the night with child and ladder.


  • #3825
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    dark crystal wrote:
    What Jane Tanner sighting are you referring to?


    Are you unfamiliar with the sighting J Tanner claims she had of a man carrying a child. It was allegedly around 9.15 but she couldn't provide a face for the male .


  • #3826
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    SteM wrote:
    Yet 5 months later he would recognise McCann as he walked down a flight of stairs from a plane. It'd be funny if the circumstances weren't so tragic.


    As discussed earlier Smith mentioned demeanor and movement.


  • #3827
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,167 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    What has that got to do with the dog trainer deliberately trying to frame the McCanns?

    Quite a lot actually. In three cases the dogs have barked and no evidence has been found of any deaths or bodies. If grimes is triggering the dogs then you wouldn't expect to find anything, now would you? He's not trying to frame the McCanns because he knows that dogs barking is not evidence.


  • #3828
    cgcsb
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Well just to say.... if the parents were checking all the kids in different apartments every twenty minutes or so, that was some amount of keys each checker needed. Can you imagine the amount of fumbling going on!

    But I don't believe there were any regular checks anyway. No proof is there?

    I am sure someone will revert to me and say BUT, BUT, and I await the response.

    I doubt there was any checking apart from the last one TBH. But we are all just speculating since there is no proof of anything.

    Did all parents apart from Mcs have baby monitors? And if so why did anyone other than the Mc parents check on all kids.

    I am totally sceptical about the checks TBH, leaving aside the fact that each checker would have looked like a jailer with all those keys!

    A baby monitor in a restaraunt with lots of people talking laughing dishing up food etc is not an effective child minding tool by any stretch


  • #3829
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Are you unfamiliar with the sighting J Tanner claims she had of a man carrying a child. It was allegedly around 9.15 but she couldn't provide a face for the male .


    That man came forward. He was another resident of the Ocean Club collecting his child from the night Creche.


  • #3830
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Quite a lot actually. In three cases the dogs have barked and no evidence has been found of any deaths or bodies. If grimes is triggering the dogs then you wouldn't expect to find anything, now would you? He's not trying to frame the McCanns because he knows that dogs barking is not evidence.


    The fact nothing is found doesn't mean the dog was wrong though?


    People are calming in the video the trainer is trying to get the dog to indicate at the McCanns car.


    This is one of the most successful dog trainers in the world who works with the FBI was deliberately trying to get the dogs to indicate at the McCanns car


    horse shiote.


  • #3831
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,042 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    The Spanish PI was a good skin. I'd say knew off the cuff she wasn't abducted. He was great at inflating the ego of the Kennedys saying The useless young lad was a 'fast learner' then never mentioning him again. He used the time to expose the Iberian Peninsula's biggest paedophile ring, who of course knew nothing of Madeline McCann.


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  • #3832
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    dark crystal wrote:
    That man came forward. He was another resident of the Ocean Club collecting his child from the night Creche.


    A GP came forward and said it may have been him that J Tanner saw. The man heading to the beach with the child never came forward.


  • #3833
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    A GP came forward and said it may have been him that J Tanner saw. The man heading to the beach with the child never came forward.


    Yes, I don't dispute any of that.


  • #3834
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    dark crystal wrote: »
    This is the last time I'll point out the obvious - Gerry McCann was at the Ocean Club at 10pm, as witnessed by various independent witnesses. The Smith sighting was at 10pm. Can you see the problem there?
    Now, you say do I believe Smith is wrong? Yes. For the reason mention above. Again.
    ...

    And sometimes the obvious is irrelevant...

    The single biggest issue with that is that the 10.00pm 'timeline' comes mainly from the McCanns and some of their friends testimony.

    However many other witnesses including staff and guests of the TWR who were in Praia da Luz provide witness statements in direct contradiction to the 10.00pm - Gerry McCann - Tapas 7 Timeline

    See:
    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm

    In fact 9.30pm is given by many as the time when GMcM and most of the Tapas 7 were observed to have left the building etc

    Even amongst the variousTapas 7 - there are significant discrepancies as to who was where and when. The two timelines written out by the group on the covers of Madeleines activity book are at variance with each other.

    One of the main issues the Portuguese police had with the various testimonies is that they contradicted each other in many instances. Unfortunately the McCanns and their friends refused thereafter to cooperate with the Portugese investigation ...


  • #3835
    cgcsb
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    Something Else
    What kind of boring tight group of 7 friends would eat dinner in the same place at the same table every solitary night of their holiday just for the sake of daving a few quid on a baby sitter. Where do you find these people? They could even share a babysitter between 2 families some nights if they were that tight.


  • #3836
    TallGlass
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Regards the timelines given from the group, would they not have been fairly well on at around 10PM ?


  • #3837
    MD1990
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    i never followed the case.

    But after watching the netflix doc and some McCann interviews.

    Blood in the boot of the rental car.

    It is quite obvious Gerry McCann is lying so edgy all the time imo.
    They killed her.


  • #3838
    Plumbthedepths
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    gozunda wrote:
    One of the main issues the Portuguese police had with the various testimonies is that they contradicted each other in many instances. Unfortunately the McCanns and their friends refused thereafter to cooperate with the Portugese investigation ...


    I have always found it bizarre how uncooperative the McCanns and the Tapas 7 were with Police . The 7 then just fade into obscurity. Almost like this was uninterested in Madeline being found just my opinion though.


  • #3839
    limnam
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    TallGlass wrote: »
    Regards the timelines given from the group, would they not have been fairly well on at around 10PM ?


    Apparently only 5 bottles between them




    practically sober


  • #3840
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭h2005


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    MD1990 wrote: »
    i never followed the case.

    But after watching the netflix doc and some McCann interviews.

    Blood in the boot of the rental car.

    It is quite obvious Gerry McCann is lying so edgy all the time imo.
    They killed her.

    Obvious?? After watching the doc I’m not sure how anyone could think they killed her


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  • #3841
    TallGlass
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Apparently only 5 bottles between them




    practically sober

    Ah, so the just going for the 'two pints' type of 'only 5' bottles.

    I'm not saying G Mc C did or didn't go at the stated time he mentioned, it's just fairly odd that 7 people with a fair amount of drink in them can remember there exactly time line for the evening.

    Not impossible, but not even one person openly stated 'I can't remember' or not even 'I can't remember past x'.


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