Madeleine McCann

SusieBlue · 19-03-2019 04:36PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

well yes actually

Yet you have no plausible timeline in which they could execute this crime of the century so flawlessly. You have no idea where they kept her body for 25 days, why they did it, when they did it, or where they might have dumped her.
Its just wild speculation over and over again from someone who only seems to know half the facts of the case.

19-03-2019 04:42PM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

But yet its more plausible that her own parents killed her and dumped her body some time in a very small frame of time, between 6 and 8pm, and then feigned her abduction?

Considering what the well trained dogs picked up on, Kate and Gerry's actions between 6pm and 10pm are of major interest.

How or why they might have done it is hard to determine. They weren't exactly forthcoming in the investigation. They shouted that she was abducted and ridiculed anyone that asked any other question.

Plumbthedepths · 19-03-2019 04:43PM

Theboinkmaster wrote:

At a guess (could be wrong) but is it fair to suggest that most people accusing the mccanns of killing her are not parents themselves?

Parents have and do kill their children, think Fred and Mary West. No idea if the McCanns killed their daughter but I also don't know if she was abducted or wandered off during the night. Zero evidence of anything and like everyone else hear we don't know what happened. Some think the McCanns are guilty others think they are saints.

cgcsb · 19-03-2019 04:43PM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

There is no evidence the children were sedated. None at all.
The only flimsy evidence is that the twins slept through the chaos which doesn't count as "proof".

Ok so the kids, including Madeline. just slept through the kidnapping, being picked up and carried through a window and all (allegedly). And the twins also slept through the crying/whaling, neighbours pulling the place apart etc. That is fanciful.

SusieBlue wrote: »

As for your second point, can you expand on that?
Why would the proximity of Morocco have any relevance?
I ask because I refuse to believe you are suggesting her own parents sold her to traffickers.
This will be a peak low point of the thread if that's what you're alluding to, but I hope you mean something else.

It's a thread about pure speculation, based on the evidence made available to the media. Why are you acting like you're offended?
That they got rid of her intentionally is a possibility, I don't subscribe to that theory though.

cgcsb · 19-03-2019 04:47PM

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The police investigated and nobody else ever died in that apartment that we know of. It would be be quite unlikely that somebody else died at some point and it was unknown to anyone.

They would have also haven to be dead in the McCann's car also.

cgcsb · 19-03-2019 04:49PM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

Yet you have no plausible timeline in which they could execute this crime of the century so flawlessly. You have no idea where they kept her body for 25 days, why they did it, when they did it, or where they might have dumped her.
Its just wild speculation over and over again from someone who only seems to know half the facts of the case.

The McCanns aren't too sure about their timeline either. Their tale of innocence is also purely theory, only theirs is inconsistent.

SusieBlue · 19-03-2019 04:50PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

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Considering what the well trained dogs picked up on, Kate and Gerry's actions between 6pm and 10pm are of major interest.

How or why they might have done it is hard to determine. They weren't exactly forthcoming in the investigation. They shouted that she was abducted and ridiculed anyone that asked any other question.

Madeleine was signed out of kids club at around 6pm by Kate, Gerry was at a tennis lesson (verified) until around 7pm.
They bathed and put the children to bed, and got ready for dinner.
At around 8, they had a few glasses of wine together before going down for dinner at half 8.
Independent witnesses have both Kate & Gerry at the table from 8:30pm, apart from when they were doing checks on the children which only lasted a few minutes.
Kate raised the alarm that Madeleine was missing shortly before 10pm.

yourdeadwright · 19-03-2019 04:58PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

I don't get how people think they had no time , the child was last seen by someone outside of Gerry and Kate at around 6pm ,
That's 4 hours no one seen here before they raised the alarm ,

There timeline the originally told was a down right lie and it changed a number of times as did Gerry and Kates story of how exactly they went to look at the kids, (front door, patio door, times)
There friend Jane sighing of the man changed so much the police didn't believe it at all,
Jane mentioned Kate said Gerry gone of ages probably watching football ? What was she on about ?

The Tapa's 7 could clear up a lot of questions,
Did the story line change because they wanted to back up there friends and make them look like good parents, Innocently trying to shield them and not realising once it loked like a lie more questions would be asked ?

Why have the never given interviews since to clear things up ,

yourdeadwright · 19-03-2019 04:59PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

cgcsb wrote: »

They would have also haven to be dead in the McCann's car also.

No they wouldn't but items of clothing would have to be

limnam · 19-03-2019 05:00PM

Her meeting in Portugal with a known pedophile was most unusual.

While drinking brandy with Clement Freud.

When he heard about the [sniffer] dogs [which had indicated the scent of death in the McCann’s hire car], he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’

“He was right, of course; it was ridiculous. A couple of hours later, fortified by our brandies (it was my first-ever taste of the stuff), some useful snippets of advice and several amusing anecdotes, we left our friend feeling quite a bit better than we had when we’d arrived.”

I thought this was a bizarre conversation.

Wouldn't you be happy if the best "dog guy" in the country was working your case?

Would n;y you be glad they found something?

It sounds from the above the only thing they're happy about is it wouldn't be able to be used in court.

jimwallace197 · 19-03-2019 05:02PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

I think they're definitely lying for several reasons:

-The friend who checked on the kids before Kate did, admitted that he did not get a visual on the kids, he just seen the door ajar

-That blind could only open from the inside

-The only print on the window was the palm print of Kate McCann, on the glass not the handle (something that somone who didn't want to leave a print on the handle would do)

-Kate immediately said the girl was taken, rather than the less worrying 'wondered off alone' scenario, I suspect because at the very least she was aware that Maddie was sedated and couldn't wander off.

-Kate claimed when she seen Madeline's bed empty, she checked under the bed, an impossible task for a bed with a solid base

-An opportunist child snatcher would take the boys also

-To pull such a stunt off, a kidnapper would have had to watch the place for some time to know the children were alone, if he was watching, he would have also observed the unlocked patio door, and wouldn't have bothered with the window in the first place.

-It was observed in the hustle and bustle of the search with up to 20 people barging around the apartment the twins didn't move. In response to this Kate later supposed that the kidnapper may have sedated them. This is a real clanger, an intruder coming through the window sedates 3 children quickly enough that there are no screams heard? my own nephew would have caused an earthquake screaming.

-The twins were able to talk, at least a basic level of speech, they woke up the next day and never mentioned any attacker, most children wouldn't be terrorised for long periods in such an event.

-An Irish tourist swore an affidavit that the man he seen carrying the child that night was non other than Gerry McCann, after the McCanns get a millionaire friend involved, the Irish tourist retracts his statement and says he's no longer sure what he saw.

-The Cadaver and blood dogs both separately identify the same locations, forensics then identify Madeline's DNA but in insufficient quantities to secure a conviction. Both dogs also identify that teddy that Kate creepily had everywhere with her.

-The testimony of the friends of the McCanns seems to be about all that has them in the innocent category, they were all having dinner that night for sure. However they could have fooled the friends also, Gerry could have moved her somewhere nearby during one of his 'checks' then let Kate raise the alarm later, then they both move her body and dispose of it elsewhere. Eitherway the staff at the restaurant say this was the first night they done regular trips back to the apartment.

-The Police were inept, allowing the McCanns to have the car back after they had taken samples and allowing them to leave the country. Never mind they left it days before setting up any road checks, by which time a car could leisurely drive as far as Germany. They also returned that creepy teddy to Kate McCann after the sniffer dog went nuts at it.

1) I don't see how this is relevant, he saw the door was ajar, didnt get a visual but because things were relively calm, he assumed everything was ok.

2) Nobody is disputing the blind could only be opened from the inside but the abductor may have used this as a means of escape

3) Did you ever hear of gloves??

4) I think its fair to assume that if one found their three year old child suddenly missing from their place of residence, they would assume they were abducted rather than wandering off aimlessly in the middle of the night through closed doors and such

5) People dont always do the the most rationale of things when they are under severe stress and pressure

6) They werent just boys, they were twins, a boy and a girl. Says alot about how closely you have been following the case. Its entirely reasonable to assume he wouldnt have taken the other kids if he/she was acting alone as the chances of him/her getting away with that are miniscule in comparison to one child on their own.

7) Anyone who understands anything about the case, assumes the abductor entered the property through the patio door and not the window

8) Your own nephews experiences doesn't mean its like that for all kids. In truth, in the absence of a competent police force, who is to say whether they were truly asleep for the duration of events or not.

9) Nonsense

10) He said he was 60-80% sure it was Gerry McCann and later retracted this.

11) Nonsense. And is it crazy to think a mother would want to cling to something her abducted child showed a great deal of affection for.

12) Yes, they managed to fool 7 other highly educated professionals with kids in nearby apartments. Sounds plausible

13) Even though the police were inept, do you not understand the level of media scrutiny the McCanns were under at this time. It would have been impossible for them to get away with this unnoticed.

19-03-2019 05:04PM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

Madeleine was signed out of kids club at around 6pm by Kate, Gerry was at a tennis lesson (verified) until around 7pm.
They bathed and put the children to bed, and got ready for dinner.
At around 8, they had a few glasses of wine together before going down for dinner at half 8.
Independent witnesses have both Kate & Gerry at the table from 8:30pm, apart from when they were doing checks on the children which only lasted a few minutes.
Kate raised the alarm that Madeleine was missing shortly before 10pm.

Nobody outside of the parents / tapas 7 saw Maddie after 6pm. So its a 4 hour window were a lot of things could have happened. And something obviously did happen to Maddie between those hours.

yourdeadwright · 19-03-2019 05:08PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

3) Did you ever hear of gloves??

Above is laughable people watch to much tv, gloves leave marks just not finger prints , Glove marks are detectable

Sunflower 27 · 19-03-2019 05:08PM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

Ok, fine, take away the need to clean up blood.
You still think its possible that shortly after 6pm they killed her, concocted a plan, stayed calm, hid the body, dumped the body, left no incriminating evidence, weren't seen by anyone, and then went off to a dinner party acting normally shortly after 8pm?

You make it sound impossible for someone to be in control of their emotions. Sadly awful crimes/accidents happen. People with much to lose (and you are as aware as I am that two doctors allowing their child to come to harm via an accident while they are out eating and drinking are not going to be given much sympathy) can and do lie, deceive and project.

It really is not that hard a concept to grasp.

I've seen people be told someone died fall to the fall crying and wailing. I've seen others silently walk away with not even a flicker of emotion.

Saying the McCanns couldn't have suppressed their emotions is not a valid point. They'd have lost everything, including possibly their twins if they were found to have neglected their children. And let's not forget their careers and reputations.

Regarding how they could of disposed of a body, not being able to show how doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are people not convicted of crimes because of lack of evidence. It doesn't mean nothing happened.

We have a timeline constructed by a group of friends. Friends that had been drinking and some who also left children alone. Friends that made a statement and refused to speak thereafter. Maybe they are all telling the truth, or maybe they weren't.

Re the automatic assumption of an abduction, yes, strange.

cgcsb · 19-03-2019 05:09PM

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limnam wrote: »

Her meeting in Portugal with a known pedophile was most unusual.

While drinking brandy with Clement Freud.

When he heard about the [sniffer] dogs [which had indicated the scent of death in the McCann’s hire car], he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’

“He was right, of course; it was ridiculous. A couple of hours later, fortified by our brandies (it was my first-ever taste of the stuff), some useful snippets of advice and several amusing anecdotes, we left our friend feeling quite a bit better than we had when we’d arrived.”

I thought this was a bizarre conversation.

Wouldn't you be happy if the best "dog guy" in the country was working your case?

Would n;y you be glad they found something?

It sounds from the above the only thing they're happy about is it wouldn't be able to be used in court.

This is just even stranger. Why, according to Kate, were they hanging out with this new friend? I wasn't aware of this.

yourdeadwright · 19-03-2019 05:11PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

jimwallace197 wrote: »

1) I don't see how this is relevant, he saw the door was ajar, didnt get a visual but because things were relively calm, he assumed everything was ok.

2) Nobody is disputing the blind could only be opened from the inside but the abductor may have used this as a means of escape

3) Did you ever hear of gloves??

4) I think its fair to assume that if one found their three year old child suddenly missing from their place of residence, they would assume they were abducted rather than wandering off aimlessly in the middle of the night through closed doors and such

5) People dont always do the the most rationale of things when they are under severe stress and pressure

6) They werent just boys, they were twins, a boy and a girl. Says alot about how closely you have been following the case. Its entirely reasonable to assume he wouldnt have taken the other kids if he/she was acting alone as the chances of him/her getting away with that are miniscule in comparison to one child on their own.

7) Anyone who understands anything about the case, assumes the abductor entered the property through the patio door and not the window

8) Your own nephews experiences doesn't mean its like that for all kids. In truth, in the absence of a competent police force, who is to say whether they were truly asleep for the duration of events or not.

9) Nonsense

10) He said he was 60-80% sure it was Gerry McCann and later retracted this.

11) Nonsense. And is it crazy to think a mother would want to cling to something her abducted child showed a great deal of affection for.

12) Yes, they managed to fool 7 other highly educated professionals with kids in nearby apartments. Sounds plausible

13) Even though the police were inept, do you not understand the level of media scrutiny the McCanns were under at this time. It would have been impossible for them to get away with this unnoticed.

How would you explain the dogs,
Somebody died In that apartment how do you explain that ,

Guy:Incognito · 19-03-2019 05:11PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

At a guess (could be wrong) but is it fair to suggest that most people accusing the mccanns of killing her are not parents themselves?

Why? Because if the whole "a parent couldn't do that to their kids" rubbish. This is completely untrue as evidenced by tons of examples of people killing their own kids, raping them, selling them to others to be raped , selling them without any knowledge of what will happen and any other horrible and despicable things that people can do?

limnam · 19-03-2019 05:15PM

cgcsb wrote: »

This is just even stranger. Why, according to Kate, were they hanging out with this new friend? I wasn't aware of this.

She covered it herself in her book.

Very odd.

splinter65 · 19-03-2019 05:15PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

Yes they did, they even admitted this, while also spinning some bull storey about 'checking on them every few mins'. Staff at the restaurant say checks were few and infrequent and non existent some nights.

See my other posts for a theory. Only they know what they really done, but the wont say.

I’ve looked at all your posts and there are no answers to the questions. Surely you can give a bullet point answer at least?
Your accusing people of the most heinous crime. You must have some idea why your doing that?

cgcsb · 19-03-2019 05:16PM

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jimwallace197 wrote: »

1) I don't see how this is relevant, he saw the door was ajar, didnt get a visual but because things were relively calm, he assumed everything was ok.

2) Nobody is disputing the blind could only be opened from the inside but the abductor may have used this as a means of escape

3) Did you ever hear of gloves??

4) I think its fair to assume that if one found their three year old child suddenly missing from their place of residence, they would assume they were abducted rather than wandering off aimlessly in the middle of the night through closed doors and such

5) People dont always do the the most rationale of things when they are under severe stress and pressure

6) They werent just boys, they were twins, a boy and a girl. Says alot about how closely you have been following the case. Its entirely reasonable to assume he wouldnt have taken the other kids if he/she was acting alone as the chances of him/her getting away with that are miniscule in comparison to one child on their own.

7) Anyone who understands anything about the case, assumes the abductor entered the property through the patio door and not the window

8) Your own nephews experiences doesn't mean its like that for all kids. In truth, in the absence of a competent police force, who is to say whether they were truly asleep for the duration of events or not.

9) Nonsense

10) He said he was 60-80% sure it was Gerry McCann and later retracted this.

11) Nonsense. And is it crazy to think a mother would want to cling to something her abducted child showed a great deal of affection for.

12) Yes, they managed to fool 7 other highly educated professionals with kids in nearby apartments. Sounds plausible

13) Even though the police were inept, do you not understand the level of media scrutiny the McCanns were under at this time. It would have been impossible for them to get away with this unnoticed.

I'm not sure which points each one responds to, but in summary:

there's no reason an abductor would enter through a door and awkwardly leave through a window carrying a child. People are more likely to react to someone carrying a child through a window so being seen is an even bigger problem in that case.

Yes I've heard of gloves, gloves leave evidence. Doesn't explain why Kate McCann's hand print was applied with pressure in the opening direction to the window. And there were no prints on the handle.

SusieBlue · 19-03-2019 05:19PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody outside of the parents / tapas 7 saw Maddie after 6pm. So its a 4 hour window were a lot of things could have happened. And something obviously did happen to Maddie between those hours.

Its not a 4 hour long window, at most its a 2.5 hour one. From 8:30pm Kate & Gerry were seen sitting in the Tapas bar by independent witnesses.
Gerry was at his tennis lesson until 7pm, which narrows things even further.

cgcsb · 19-03-2019 05:22PM

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splinter65 wrote: »

I’ve looked at all your posts and there are no answers to the questions. Surely you can give a bullet point answer at least?
Your accusing people of the most heinous crime. You must have some idea why your doing that?

What is your question?
You are defending people who've committed a heinous crime.

yourdeadwright · 19-03-2019 05:22PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Why? Because if the whole "a parent couldn't do that to their kids" rubbish. This is completely untrue as evidenced by tons of examples of people killing their own kids, raping them, selling them to others to be raped , selling them without any knowledge of what will happen and any other horrible and despicable things that people can do?

Iv kids and I still can't understand how they left them in an apartment with roadside access alone with the doors unlocked on Holidays ,

If the kids are asleep in bed on holidays ,im sorry but as parents its ur duty to mind them, there YOUR kids you can not replace them ,

Decide which one of you is going to collect a takeaway and eat it on the balcony,

I wouldn't leave my phone like that let alone my kids,

I remember one day years ago my oldest was 5 months old and feel asleep in the car on the way home and when we arrived home the only parking space was on the road outside our house, We had a choice to make do leave her in the car to sleep or chance waking her and bring her inside ,

We both agreed if we had a bag of a million euro we wouldn't leave it in back seat of the car parked on the road , So there was no way in the world we would leave something more important there, ( that story may or may not have happened but you get the jist)

SusieBlue · 19-03-2019 05:28PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

You make it sound impossible for someone to be in control of their emotions. Sadly awful crimes/accidents happen. People with much to lose (and you are as aware as I am that two doctors allowing their child to come to harm via an accident while they are out eating and drinking are not going to be given much sympathy) can and do lie, deceive and project.

It really is not that hard a concept to grasp.

I've seen people be told someone died fall to the fall crying and wailing. I've seen others silently walk away with not even a flicker of emotion.

Saying the McCanns couldn't have suppressed their emotions is not a valid point. They'd have lost everything, including possibly their twins if they were found to have neglected their children. And let's not forget their careers and reputations.

Regarding how they could of disposed of a body, not being able to show how doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are people not convicted of crimes because of lack of evidence. It doesn't mean nothing happened.

We have a timeline constructed by a group of friends. Friends that had been drinking and some who also left children alone. Friends that made a statement and refused to speak thereafter. Maybe they are all telling the truth, or maybe they weren't.

Re the automatic assumption of an abduction, yes, strange.

Its gas that I'm not allowed say they wouldn't have been able to hold their emotions together after sporadically murdering their child, yet other people are allowed claim they must be undoubtedly be guilty because of how "cold and emotionless" they came across in press conferences after the fact.
Bit of a double standard I think.

I don't see how logistically they could manage to do all of those things in that window of time, while maintaining a calm demeanor, not incriminating themselves, and not getting caught by anyone.
They were in an unfamiliar location and this was before the era of smart phones and google maps.
In order for them to be guilty of what they're accused of, they would want to be criminal masterminds to have executed their crime so flawlessly, while also conspiring with their friends and not breaking their pact.

cgcsb · 19-03-2019 05:30PM

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yourdeadwright wrote: »

Iv kids and I still can't understand how they left them in an apartment with roadside access alone with the doors unlocked on Holidays ,

If the kids are asleep in bed on holidays ,im sorry but as parents its ur duty to mind them, there YOUR kids you can not replace them ,

Decide which one of you is going to collect a takeaway and eat it on the balcony,

I wouldn't leave my phone like that let alone my kids,

I remember one day years ago my oldest was 5 months old and feel asleep in the car on the way home and when we arrived home the only parking space was on the road outside our house, We had a choice to make do leave her in the car to sleep or chance waking her and bring her inside ,

We both agreed if we had a bag of a million euro we wouldn't leave it in back seat of the car parked on the road , So there was no way in the world we would leave something more important there, ( that story may or may not have happened but you get the jist)

British culture is cold towards children. The no nonsense victorian nanny style rearing is still widely practiced, the upper classes of the UK still ditch young kids into distant boarding schools for months at a time. You couldn't have the children being to 'soppy' you see. Leaving kids in prams outside the door of the house to 'get some air' is also a common practice. Brexit is probably just one big mummy issue.

yourdeadwright · 19-03-2019 05:31PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

Its gas that I'm not allowed say they wouldn't have been able to hold their emotions together after sporadically murdering their child, yet other people are allowed claim they must be undoubtedly be guilty because of how "cold and emotionless" they came across in press conferences after the fact.
Bit of a double standard I think.

I don't see how logistically they could manage to do all of those things in that window of time, while maintaining a calm demeanor, not incriminating themselves, and not getting caught by anyone.
They were in an unfamiliar location and this was before the era of smart phones and google maps.
In order for them to be guilty of what they're accused of, they would want to be criminal masterminds to have executed their crime so flawlessly, while also conspiring with their friends and not breaking their pact.

To be fair the father was a surgeon , its a requirement of his to be able to control his emotion's,

On that point many Surgeon's come across emotionless , cold and controlling ,possible why people in the documentary said they didn't like him when they first meet,

Again no idea if they done it but he would certainly be able to control his emotions .,

Sunflower 27 · 19-03-2019 05:34PM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

Its gas that I'm not allowed say they wouldn't have been able to hold their emotions together after sporadically murdering their child, yet other people are allowed claim they must be undoubtedly be guilty because of how "cold and emotionless" they came across in press conferences after the fact.
Bit of a double standard I think.

I don't see how logistically they could manage to do all of those things in that window of time, while maintaining a calm demeanor, not incriminating themselves, and not getting caught by anyone.
They were in an unfamiliar location and this was before the era of smart phones and google maps.
In order for them to be guilty of what they're accused of, they would want to be criminal masterminds to have executed their crime so flawlessly, while also conspiring with their friends and not breaking their pact.

I'm not saying you can't say anything. Say what you like. I'm merely pointing out that saying the McCanns would not have been able to suppress their emotions for a short time before Madeleine is revealed missing is not true. Of course they potentially could.

You are saying they couldn't do it, I'm saying they definitely could.

So no, not a double standard, merely pointing out you cannot say suppressing emotions is an impossibility.

Edit* I don't think Madeleine was sporadically murdered either. I don't think most do.

19-03-2019 05:34PM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

Its not a 4 hour long window, at most its a 2.5 hour one. From 8:30pm Kate & Gerry were seen sitting in the Tapas bar by independent witnesses.
Gerry was at his tennis lesson until 7pm, which narrows things even further.

An abductor would have only had 15 to 20 mins to get in, grab the girl, get out and not be seen.

SusieBlue · 19-03-2019 05:36PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

British culture is cold towards children. The no nonsense victorian nanny style rearing is still widely practiced, the upper classes of the UK still ditch young kids into distant boarding schools for months at a time. You couldn't have the children being to 'soppy' you see. Leaving kids in prams outside the door of the house to 'get some air' is also a common practice. Brexit is probably just one big mummy issue.

Modern British & Irish attitudes towards child rearing are very similar.
I don't know what prehistoric culture you are talking about above but it certainly isn't reflective of modern day parenting in the UK, AT ALL.

Boarding schools are few and far between, leaving children outside to get some air in their prams hasn't been commonplace since the 1950's and certainly isn't common now.

Kate & Gerry were stupid to leave their children alone in a foreign country.
Lets get a bit of perspective here and not tar all British parents as cold, Victorian style disciplinarians just because it suits your line of thinking.
Especially when its COMPLETELY inaccurate.

Spanish Eyes · 19-03-2019 05:39PM

Sorry, but when I heard Kate Mc C say that the cadaver scent discovered (not sure if it was on her or what), was the result of her contact with six bodies before they went to PdaL.

Honestly, a part time GP came across six dead bodies! Rothley sounds like Midsomer Murders to me. And I don't believe a word of it. That statement from her was not corroborated AFAIK, and it really made me snort, nothwithstanding the seriousness of the situation either.

Madeleine McCann

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