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Madeleine McCann

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  • #3212
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    mazwell wrote: »
    Antihistamines can be sedative. And I was replying to a post that said if they bought sedatives the pharmacy would have a record

    No antihistamines are not sedatives. I already posted a link.


  • #3213
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    And those same strangers were working as babysitters in the evening .But apparently it was better to leave them all alone than see a stranger if they woke


    Kate McCann in contradicting statement shocker


  • #3214
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


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    splinter65 wrote: »
    No antihistamines are not sedatives. I already posted a link.

    Some of them are. They all have sedative side effects.


  • #3215
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    They left them in kids club all day, with strangers....

    People leave children in kids clubs in hotels and resorts and shopping centers all day all over the world.
    Bad bad bad bad bad parents....


  • #3216
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Some of them are.

    No none of them are.


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  • #3217
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


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    I think they're definitely lying for several reasons:

    -The friend who checked on the kids before Kate did, admitted that he did not get a visual on the kids, he just seen the door ajar

    -That blind could only open from the inside

    -The only print on the window was the palm print of Kate McCann, on the glass not the handle (something that somone who didn't want to leave a print on the handle would do)

    -Kate immediately said the girl was taken, rather than the less worrying 'wondered off alone' scenario, I suspect because at the very least she was aware that Maddie was sedated and couldn't wander off.

    -Kate claimed when she seen Madeline's bed empty, she checked under the bed, an impossible task for a bed with a solid base

    -An opportunist child snatcher would take the boys also

    -To pull such a stunt off, a kidnapper would have had to watch the place for some time to know the children were alone, if he was watching, he would have also observed the unlocked patio door, and wouldn't have bothered with the window in the first place.

    -It was observed in the hustle and bustle of the search with up to 20 people barging around the apartment the twins didn't move. In response to this Kate later supposed that the kidnapper may have sedated them. This is a real clanger, an intruder coming through the window sedates 3 children quickly enough that there are no screams heard? my own nephew would have caused an earthquake screaming.

    -The twins were able to talk, at least a basic level of speech, they woke up the next day and never mentioned any attacker, most children wouldn't be terrorised for long periods in such an event.

    -An Irish tourist swore an affidavit that the man he seen carrying the child that night was non other than Gerry McCann, after the McCanns get a millionaire friend involved, the Irish tourist retracts his statement and says he's no longer sure what he saw.

    -The Cadaver and blood dogs both separately identify the same locations, forensics then identify Madeline's DNA but in insufficient quantities to secure a conviction. Both dogs also identify that teddy that Kate creepily had everywhere with her.

    -The testimony of the friends of the McCanns seems to be about all that has them in the innocent category, they were all having dinner that night for sure. However they could have fooled the friends also, Gerry could have moved her somewhere nearby during one of his 'checks' then let Kate raise the alarm later, then they both move her body and dispose of it elsewhere. Eitherway the staff at the restaurant say this was the first night they done regular trips back to the apartment.


    -The Police were inept, allowing the McCanns to have the car back after they had taken samples and allowing them to leave the country. Never mind they left it days before setting up any road checks, by which time a car could leisurely drive as far as Germany. They also returned that creepy teddy to Kate McCann after the sniffer dog went nuts at it.


  • #3218
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    splinter65 wrote: »
    No antihistamines are not sedatives. I already posted a link.

    Some have sedating properties as posted before ( twice )


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promethazine


    Promethazine is a first-generation antihistamine.[4] It is used to treat allergies, trouble sleeping, and nausea.[4] It may help with some symptoms associated with the common cold.[4] It may also be used for sedating people who are agitated or anxious.[5][6] It is available by mouth as a syrup, as a rectal


  • #3219
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


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    splinter65 wrote: »
    No none of them are.

    Wow. How can you be so sure of something you clearly know nothing about?


  • #3220
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Kate in her book said she was not happy leaving the children with a stranger
    But they were happy to leave them all alone instead of with a nanny . Would a stranger with a phone to call them be a million times better than three little kids all alone . Ridiculous excuses

    Leaving the kids alone with the patio door open mind you.


  • #3221
    mazwell
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    No none of them are.

    Some of them are. Otc phenergan and piriton both have sedative properties


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  • #3222
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


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    dark crystal wrote: »
    I see there's still no valid theory put forward as to how and when the McCanns could have disposed of their daughter's body within the timeline. And acted normally all the while. Not even broken a sweat while at dinner.


    So many people are 'suspicious' of the McCanns, yet cannot come up with a viable theory as to how they committed the crime they are being accused of.

    Easy, he moved her sometime during dinner to a hiding place near by on one of his trips, then they later took her in the rental car and disposed of it.


  • #3223
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    splinter65 wrote: »
    But Calpol or antihistamines aren’t seadatives so what’s the point in even bringing them up?
    splinter65 wrote: »
    No none of them are.

    You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

    Dozol is an OTC product whose 2 main ingredients are paracetamol and an antihistamine.

    This product is a sedative and I know as ive used it on my own 3 year old and it can be a very strong sedative.


  • #3224
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Theboinkmaster wrote: »
    You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

    Dozol is an OTC product whose 2 main ingredients are paracetamol and an antihistamine.

    This product is a sedative and I know as ive used it on my own 3 year old and it can be a very strong sedative.

    As is Phenergan . Available over the counter and has sedating properties . I have seen kids conk out within 15 mins of taking it .


  • #3225
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    cgcsb wrote: »
    -An Irish tourist swore an affidavit that the man he seen carrying the child that night was non other than Gerry McCann, after the McCanns get a millionaire friend involved, the Irish tourist retracts his statement and says he's no longer sure what he saw.

    Do you have more background on this/links? I hadn't heard this before.

    Also didn't Jane Tanner say she saw a man beside apartment on one of the checks carrying a little girl?


  • #3226
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cgcsb wrote: »
    I think they're definitely lying for several reasons:

    -The friend who checked on the kids before Kate did, admitted that he did not get a visual on the kids, he just seen the door ajar

    -That blind could only open from the inside

    -The only print on the window was the palm print of Kate McCann, on the glass not the handle (something that somone who didn't want to leave a print on the handle would do)

    -Kate immediately said the girl was taken, rather than the less worrying 'wondered off alone' scenario, I suspect because at the very least she was aware that Maddie was sedated and couldn't wander off.

    -Kate claimed when she seen Madeline's bed empty, she checked under the bed, an impossible task for a bed with a solid base

    -An opportunist child snatcher would take the boys also

    -To pull such a stunt off, a kidnapper would have had to watch the place for some time to know the children were alone, if he was watching, he would have also observed the unlocked patio door, and wouldn't have bothered with the window in the first place.

    -It was observed in the hustle and bustle of the search with up to 20 people barging around the apartment the twins didn't move. In response to this Kate later supposed that the kidnapper may have sedated them. This is a real clanger, an intruder coming through the window sedates 3 children quickly enough that there are no screams heard? my own nephew would have caused an earthquake screaming.

    -The twins were able to talk, at least a basic level of speech, they woke up the next day and never mentioned any attacker, most children wouldn't be terrorised for long periods in such an event.

    -An Irish tourist swore an affidavit that the man he seen carrying the child that night was non other than Gerry McCann, after the McCanns get a millionaire friend involved, the Irish tourist retracts his statement and says he's no longer sure what he saw.

    -The Cadaver and blood dogs both separately identify the same locations, forensics then identify Madeline's DNA but in insufficient quantities to secure a conviction. Both dogs also identify that teddy that Kate creepily had everywhere with her.

    -The testimony of the friends of the McCanns seems to be about all that has them in the innocent category, they were all having dinner that night for sure. However they could have fooled the friends also, Gerry could have moved her somewhere nearby during one of his 'checks' then let Kate raise the alarm later, then they both move her body and dispose of it elsewhere. Eitherway the staff at the restaurant say this was the first night they done regular trips back to the apartment.


    -The Police were inept, allowing the McCanns to have the car back after they had taken samples and allowing them to leave the country. Never mind they left it days before setting up any road checks, by which time a car could leisurely drive as far as Germany. They also returned that creepy teddy to Kate McCann after the sniffer dog went nuts at it.

    What did the McCanns do to Madeleine when did they do it why and how? Oh and where?


  • #3227
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


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    Theboinkmaster wrote: »
    This product is a sedative and I know as ive used it on my own 3 year old and it can be a very strong sedative.

    Kate?


  • #3228
    cgcsb
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    Theboinkmaster wrote: »
    Do you have more background on this/links? I hadn't heard this before.

    Also didn't Jane Tanner say she saw a man beside apartment on one of the checks carrying a little girl?

    It's in the netflix doc. They show you his signed affidavit on Gardaí stationary and then later they say Mr Smith isn't sure what he saw anymore.


  • #3229
    SteM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,289 ✭✭✭SteM


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Easy, he moved her sometime during dinner to a hiding place near by on one of his trips, then they later took her in the rental car and disposed of it.

    Easy? I wouldn't think there would be anything easy about moving the dead body of his eldest child. He'd come back to dinner an emotional mess.


  • #3230
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cgcsb wrote: »
    Easy, he moved her sometime during dinner to a hiding place near by on one of his trips, then they later took her in the rental car and disposed of it.

    They hired the car 25 days after her disappearance. Where did they keep the childs corpse for the 25 days?
    And how did they manage to do this with the worlds media and heavy police presence, watching their every move?


  • #3231
    cgcsb
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    SteM wrote: »
    Easy? I wouldn't think there would be anything easy about moving the dead body of his eldest child. He'd come back to dinner an emotional mess.

    Why? We are already assuming these people don't have emotions. We know for sure that they were extremely cold to their own children to say the least.


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  • #3232
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    There doesn't have to be any blood at all for someone to die. It's not going to be like a horror film with blood up the walls, all over the ceiling and them going out to get ammonia and hazmat suits to clean up.

    Her DNA is all over the apartment anyway so it's not like you're trying to remove any evidence a person was there at all.

    Ok, fine, take away the need to clean up blood.
    You still think its possible that shortly after 6pm they killed her, concocted a plan, stayed calm, hid the body, dumped the body, left no incriminating evidence, weren't seen by anyone, and then went off to a dinner party acting normally shortly after 8pm?


  • #3233
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cgcsb wrote: »
    Why? We are already assuming these people don't have emotions. We know for sure that they were extremely cold to their own children to say the least.

    You know absolutely nothing. Where on earth is your evidence that they were cold to their children?


  • #3234
    Theboinkmaster
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    It's in the netflix doc. They show you his signed affidavit on Gardatationary and then later they say Mr Smith isn't sure what he saw anymore.

    Is there proof of that?

    What about the part of a rich friend of the mccanns getting involved?


  • #3235
    cgcsb
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    They hired the car 25 days after her disappearance. Where did they keep the childs corpse for the 25 days?
    And how did they manage to do this with the worlds media and heavy police presence, watching their every move?

    Only they can answer that.

    At that point though the cameras exclusively on them, they became the sole focus of the media after the police started treating them with suspicion which was a good while after that.

    There is also the possibility of 3rd party help.


  • #3236
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cgcsb wrote: »
    Easy, he moved her sometime during dinner to a hiding place near by on one of his trips, then they later took her in the rental car and disposed of it.

    Why did he kill her? Where were the press and the cops when he moved her body in the rental car? Where did he bury her?


  • #3237
    cgcsb
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    You know absolutely nothing. Where on earth is your evidence that they were cold to their children?

    They abandoned them every night for a week for several hours.


  • #3238
    Theboinkmaster
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    You know absolutely nothing. Where on earth is your evidence that they were cold to their children?

    Yeah just skip by the posts showing you to be completely ignorant, making blatent bullsh!t statements as fact.

    Jog on.


  • #3239
    Lady Spangles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Lady Spangles


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Why? We are already assuming these people don't have emotions. We know for sure that they were extremely cold to their own children to say the least.

    People who were initially sceptical of the McCanns have said they have an excellent relationship with their children. One spoke in the documentary. So what makes you say they were "cold" toward their children? Are you referring to leaving them alone for a few hours while they had dinner? Again, it may be a mistake bordering on negligence, but hardly "cold" and unfeeling toward their kids.


  • #3240
    Ultimate Seduction
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    You know absolutely nothing. Where on earth is your evidence that they were cold to their children?

    Says the man. Where is the evidence that "NO antihistamines are sedatives or have sedative properties.


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  • #3241
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    splinter65 wrote: »
    People leave children in kids clubs in hotels and resorts and shopping centers all day all over the world.
    Bad bad bad bad bad parents....

    Are you doing this deliberately?

    That's the opposite of what people are saying.
    The bad parenting was refusing to pay the same people to mind the kids at night as well when they went to the pub and instead leaving them home alone.


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