Madeleine McCann

limnam · 19-03-2019 01:55PM

Silane wrote: »

I'm suspicious of the McCanns myself, but in Gerry's defense talking to the police even if you are completely innocent is generally not a good idea.

Unless the answer to the question was likely to aid in finding my child I'd be unlikely to offer any information to the police without representation present.

This was in the media.

If they refused to answer any question that didn't help sure. But they seem to be selective in the media and that was an odd question.

You either met someone before or you didn't. Was an odd one to pull no comment on.

To be fair. If it was my daughter police or not. I'd rather go to prison than withhold information.

The last thing on my mind would be going to prison everything would be about finding her

B_ecke_r · 19-03-2019 02:00PM

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chicorytip wrote: »

Were there any sedatives of the type that would induce sleep for a child discovered in the apartment during the investigation? I don't recall any mention of there being so.

considering they're both doctors it's reasonable enough to assume they could have had sedatives.

the fact they refused to have the twins drug tested is suspicious too - surely you would want to know the person who abducted your 3 year old didn't harm your twins in an effort to not be disturbed?

RacoonQueen · 19-03-2019 02:02PM

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limnam wrote: »

She screamed "they've taken her" while running leaving two kids on thier own

Very bizarre statement to make

Was there witnesses to her doing that? They are very odd words.
You'd think you'd run out shouting help, your husbands name or screaming the child's name desperately or a combination of all three. Surely if she had come out shouting that there would have been serious follow up on this, it would suggest there had been a threat to her that her parents where aware of (and yet still left her unaccompanied in an unlocked apartment). That would just be baffling.

Guy:Incognito · 19-03-2019 02:03PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

The timeline of the parents doing it just doesn't make sense, it doesn't fit in whatsoever.
The logistics are almost impossible and would involve Kate & Gerry being the most calculated criminal masterminds to execute it all so flawlessly, destroy all evidence, and get away with it.

I have yet to see one reasonable timeline of events where sometime after 6pm, Madeleine dies (accidentally or otherwise) and Kate & Gerry come up with a plan, make a pact, destroy all evidence, hide the body, and then head off to dinner just after 8pm acting normally.
And do this so well they weren't seen by anyone and didn't incriminate themselves.

There doesn't have to be any blood at all for someone to die. It's not going to be like a horror film with blood up the walls, all over the ceiling and them going out to get ammonia and hazmat suits to clean up.

Her DNA is all over the apartment anyway so it's not like you're trying to remove any evidence a person was there at all.

splinter65 · 19-03-2019 02:05PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

I'd love to know why Gerry wouldn't comment on if he knew or had met Murat prior to the events.

It seems like such a basic innocent question and to choose to not comment seems really odd.

Father of missing child doesn’t want to answer any more totally irrelevant questions.
Yeah, reeeeasalllyy suspicious and verrryyyy odd. (Scratches head like columbo, writes in notebook).

limnam · 19-03-2019 02:06PM

B_ecke_r wrote: »

considering they're both doctors it's reasonable enough to assume they could have had sedatives.

the fact they refused to have the twins drug tested is suspicious too - surely you would want to know the person who abducted your 3 year old didn't harm your twins in an effort to not be disturbed?

AFAIK Gerry's brother also is/was very high in a pharma company.

limnam · 19-03-2019 02:09PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Was there witnesses to her doing that? They are very odd words.
You'd think you'd run out shouting help, your husbands name or screaming the child's name desperately or a combination of all three. Surely if she had come out shouting that there would have been serious follow up on this, it would suggest there had been a threat to her that her parents where aware of (and yet still left her unaccompanied in an unlocked apartment). That would just be baffling.

AFAIK it's recorded in the statement files of the person that heard it.

Yep the words are really specific and very odd for the circumstances

splinter65 · 19-03-2019 02:10PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Thepoet85 wrote: »

A hitman to take out a three year old girl? That's enough internet for me for today.

Your lucky you’ve got discipline. I’ve got none.

splinter65 · 19-03-2019 02:10PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

AFAIK Gerry's brother also is/was very high in a pharma company.

Verrryyyy verryyy sus indeed. Hmm the plot thickens.....

Guy:Incognito · 19-03-2019 02:12PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Father of missing child doesn’t want to answer any more totally irrelevant questions.
Yeah, reeeeasalllyy suspicious and verrryyyy odd. (Scratches head like columbo, writes in notebook).

I wouldnt think asking whether you've had interactions with a person who's on the police radar for involvement in the case of your missing child irrelevant at all.

splinter65 · 19-03-2019 02:12PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

B_ecke_r wrote: »

considering they're both doctors it's reasonable enough to assume they could have had sedatives.

the fact they refused to have the twins drug tested is suspicious too - surely you would want to know the person who abducted your 3 year old didn't harm your twins in an effort to not be disturbed?

The twins were drug tested and no drugs were found. There you go that’s all cleared up for you.

splinter65 · 19-03-2019 02:14PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I wouldnt think asking whether you've had interactions with a person who's on the police radar for involvement in the case of your missing child irrelevant at all.

What was it going to achieve? Gerry is a consultant radiologist. If in the course of his work he once had contact with Murat what will that do to help find Madeleine? Nothing.

mazwell · 19-03-2019 02:15PM

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SusieBlue wrote: »

Just calpol, which isn't a sedative.

There has been no evidence that they "sedated" any of their children to date.
If they bought any locally, there would be a record of this at the local pharmacy.
Unless we're suggesting the chemist was in on the cover up too.

Pharmacies don't keep records of otc medicines sold

iamwhoiam · 19-03-2019 02:16PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Gerry is a consultant cardiologist not radioligist

Guy:Incognito · 19-03-2019 02:16PM

splinter65 wrote: »

What was it going to achieve? Gerry is a consultant radiologist. If in the course of his work he once had contact with Murat what will that do to help find Madeleine? Nothing.

Why does it matter whether hes a consultant radiologist or a plumber?

Edit : or cardiologist as the case may be.

During the course of dealing with someone in work, the subject of kids can often come up. You dont know that person and they could be a pedophile for all you know. Ome you've just told about your 3 year old child.

Refusing to answer raises more questions than it answers.

Unless you reckon his job means he thinks he knows more about what's relevant to a police investigation than the police?

cgcsb · 19-03-2019 02:18PM

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At first it seemed like a bit of a culture war, the UK v the rest of the world.

Obviously the world was shocked that people would be so cold towards their own children to just leave them there for hours on end (the we checked on them every 20 mins theory was rubbished quite thoroughly)

Also the world was shocked that reasonably wealthy people would be too tight to pay a small amount for the hotel's babysitting service for the sake of their children's safety and piece of mind.

These things were passed off as simply how British Culture is, being stone cold to your own kids, the eldest being only 3 and saving a few pound. This was accepted by th UK papers but rest of the world remained baffled.

cgcsb · 19-03-2019 02:19PM

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Guy:Incognito wrote: »

There doesn't have to be any blood at all for someone to die. It's not going to be like a horror film with blood up the walls, all over the ceiling and them going out to get ammonia and hazmat suits to clean up.

Her DNA is all over the apartment anyway so it's not like you're trying to remove any evidence a person was there at all.

The dog smelled a corpse, not her DNA.

iamwhoiam · 19-03-2019 02:23PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

At first it seemed like a bit of a culture war, the UK v the rest of the world.

Obviously the world was shocked that people would be so cold towards their own children to just leave them there for hours on end (the we checked on them every 20 mins theory was rubbished quite thoroughly)

Also the world was shocked that reasonably wealthy people would be too tight to pay a small amount for the hotel's babysitting service for the sake of their children's safety and piece of mind.

These things were passed off as simply how British Culture is, being stone cold to your own kids, the eldest being only 3 and saving a few pound. This was accepted by th UK papers but rest of the world remained baffled.

Kate in her book said she was not happy leaving the children with a stranger
But they were happy to leave them all alone instead of with a nanny . Would a stranger with a phone to call them be a million times better than three little kids all alone . Ridiculous excuses

Guy:Incognito · 19-03-2019 02:24PM

cgcsb wrote: »

The dog smelled a corpse, not her DNA.

The post I was answering was in relation to them doing a clean up after disposing of a body if they'd done it.

I'd imagine most people in that scenario would be thinking "let's make sure the DNA evidence of a murder is gone" and picturing a CSI type scene.

splinter65 · 19-03-2019 02:25PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

mazwell wrote: »

Pharmacies don't keep records of otc medicines sold

But Calpol or antihistamines aren’t seadatives so what’s the point in even bringing them up?

dark crystal · 19-03-2019 02:28PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Butson wrote: »

Has the Irish man, Martin Smith or any of his family, done any media interviews here? Would love to hear more from them on their sighting.

Was it him that was sitting at home, watching the news and seeing Gerry walk off the plane in the UK holding one of the twins?

It couldn't have been Gerry he saw at 10pm, as Gerry was at the Ocean Club while the alarm was raised at 10pm. He couldn't be in two places at once.

iamwhoiam · 19-03-2019 02:29PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Phenergan is an anti histimine with sedating properties .

splinter65 · 19-03-2019 02:30PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Why does it matter whether hes a consultant radiologist or a plumber?

Edit : or cardiologist as the case may be.

During the course of dealing with someone in work, the subject of kids can often come up. You dont know that person and they could be a pedophile for all you know. Ome you've just told about your 3 year old child.

Refusing to answer raises more questions than it answers.

Unless you reckon his job means he thinks he knows more about what's relevant to a police investigation than the police?

How can Gerry say wether he’s ever had contact with Murat before? How would he know for certain that he hadn’t? Once again tell me what difference it was going to make to finding the missing child?

Guy:Incognito · 19-03-2019 02:34PM

splinter65 wrote: »

How can Gerry say wether he’s ever had contact with Murat before? How would he know for certain that he hadn’t? Once again tell me what difference it was going to make to finding the missing child?

Well what's the point in asking any witness ever if they've seen a person? You could probably eliminate a good chunk of the questions police ask people altogether by your logic.

Have you thought of travelling the world giving lectures to police forces about how they're doing their job wrong?

If he didnt know whether hed met him before why not just say that?

dark crystal · 19-03-2019 02:41PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

I see there's still no valid theory put forward as to how and when the McCanns could have disposed of their daughter's body within the timeline. And acted normally all the while. Not even broken a sweat while at dinner.

So many people are 'suspicious' of the McCanns, yet cannot come up with a viable theory as to how they committed the crime they are being accused of.

Boom_Bap · 19-03-2019 02:43PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

I see there's still no valid theory put forward as to how and when the McCanns could have disposed of their daughter's body within the timeline. And acted normally all the while. Not even broken a sweat while at dinner.

So many people are 'suspicious' of the McCanns, yet cannot come up with a viable theory as to how they committed the crime they are being accused of.

I don't buy into the theory, but some people are able to contain themselves in that manner and able to conduct acts behind the scenes cover ups without raising suspicion. We see it with most cases of serial killers....not suggesting they are serial killers or involved in any killing.

Guy:Incognito · 19-03-2019 02:45PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I don't buy into the theory, but some people are able to contain themselves in that manner and able to conduct acts behind the scenes cover ups without raising suspicion. We see it with most cases of serial killers....not suggesting they are serial killers or involved in any killing.

Sure theres plenty of murderers , rapists , paedophiles and more living every day lives with those close to them having no idea and it's been like that for all of history.

mazwell · 19-03-2019 02:49PM

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splinter65 wrote: »

But Calpol or antihistamines aren’t seadatives so what’s the point in even bringing them up?

Antihistamines can be sedative. And I was replying to a post that said if they bought sedatives the pharmacy would have a record

limnam · 19-03-2019 02:50PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Kate in her book said she was not happy leaving the children with a stranger

They left them in kids club all day, with strangers....

iamwhoiam · 19-03-2019 02:52PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

They left them in kids club all day, with strangers....

And those same strangers were working as babysitters in the evening .But apparently it was better to leave them all alone than see a stranger if they woke

Madeleine McCann

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